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Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:34pm

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If ever there was a good time, for the moderates in the Liberal Party to split from the religious righteous nutjobs who installed Tony Abbott, it is now!

If only Malcolm Turnbull & Co had the guts to do this, our entrepreneurs and our middle classes would have a party to support which is an infinitely-more natural fit for their political leanings...

Similarly, some pollies and supporters of the centre-right of the Labor Party would have a different party to support...

I dare say, that many who currently support the Greens would also give serious consideration to a Turnbull-led centrist party...

If only...Turnbull & Co would implement such a split, then the future of Australia would look a heck of a lot more rosy than it does today...

Discuss.

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Re: Go Turnbull & Co: it's time 4 Liberal Party sp
Reply #3 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:45pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:34pm:

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If ever there was a good time, for the moderates in the Liberal Party to split from the religious righteous nutjobs who installed Tony Abbott, it is now!

If only Malcolm Turnbull & Co had the guts to do this, our entrepreneurs and our middle classes would have a party to support which is an infinitely-more natural fit for their political leanings...

Similarly, some pollies and supporters of the centre-right of the Labor Party would have a different party to support...

I dare say, that many who currently support the Greens would also give serious consideration to a Turnbull-led centrist party...

If only...Turnbull & Co would implement such a split, then the future of Australia would look a heck of a lot more rosy than it does today...

Discuss.

The Lib party doesn't need to split if its members have a difference of opinion. Unlike Labor and the rest of the Socialist parties individuals are actually allowed to have an individual opinion on issues and express it.

That's why if you go to the trouble of looking at stats for politicians crossing the floor in parliament because of their personal views there are lots more Libs on the list than you quasi-commies

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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #5 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:04pm

Honestly..I would never vote for anyone in the Murdoch press owned Liberal Party. It goes against my morals and principles to vote for an anti-
working class Australia party, such as the Liberal Tea Party lead by anyone..even Turnbull, the man stabbed in the back by Abbott and two faced back stabbing Bishop.

The Abbott Liberal party is a mockery of good hard working australians and what they believe in. The liberal copy cat American Tea Party party is being supported by 70% media domination Murdoch criminal charges pending Murdoch.

Why would any true blue Aussie vote for the Murdoch liberal Tea Party. He's not even an Australian!! : Angry

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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #6 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:09pm

Gimme Gimme wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:04pm:

Honestly..I would never vote for anyone in the Murdoch press owned Liberal Party. It goes against my morals and principles to vote for an anti-
working class Australia party, such as the Liberal Tea Party lead by anyone..even Turnbull, the man stabbed in the back by Abbott and two faced back stabbing Bishop.

The Abbott Liberal party is a mockery of good hard working australians and what they believe in. The liberal copy cat American Tea Party party is being supported by 70% media domination Murdoch criminal charges pending Murdoch.

Why would any true blue Aussie vote for the Murdoch liberal Tea Party. He's not even an Australian!! : Angry

Got your parties mixed up.

The ALP was the working mans party, no longer.

The alliance with the greens, carbon tax, etc etc will see the worker attacked like never before.

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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #7 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:11pm

Gimme Gimme wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:04pm:

Honestly..I would never vote for anyone in the Murdoch press owned Liberal Party. It goes against my morals and principles to vote for an anti-
working class Australia party, such as the Liberal Tea Party lead by anyone..even Turnbull, the man stabbed in the back by Abbott and two faced back stabbing Bishop.

The Abbott Liberal party is a mockery of good hard working australians and what they believe in. The liberal copy cat American Tea Party party is being supported by 70% media domination Murdoch criminal charges pending Murdoch.

Why would any true blue Aussie vote for the Murdoch liberal Tea Party. He's not even an Australian!! : Angry

Well that explains alot. You have no party left to follow. You could try just getting out of politics seen as it has made you so angry and biased with nothing to follow.

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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #8 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:12pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:50pm:

Poll added - please be honest!

Edited:

PS I've also changed the thread title to better match the poll.

They can if they like...but i doubt there's enough of them to make any difference...
It'd be like the small parties around now (Shooters Party, Sex Party etc) and would most likely only run to 2 or 3 seats...

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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #9 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:16pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:12pm:

Equitist wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:50pm:

Poll added - please be honest!

Edited:

PS I've also changed the thread title to better match the poll.

They can if they like...but i doubt there's enough of them to make any difference...
It'd be like the small parties around now (Shooters Party, Sex Party etc) and would most likely only run to 2 or 3 seats...

Dunno about that - I'd wager that 1/3 to 1/2 would prefer not to remain aligned to the religious righteous nutjob powermongers who currently control the Party...

Moreover, I'm 100% certain that the majority of those who currently bankroll the Liberal Party are socio-economic and environmental pragmatists, who would prefer to put their money behind a party with a long-term progressive vision for Australia, which is not driven by Tea Party-styled doGmatists and religious fundamentalcases!

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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #10 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:17pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:16pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:12pm:

Equitist wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:50pm:

Poll added - please be honest!

Edited:

PS I've also changed the thread title to better match the poll.

They can if they like...but i doubt there's enough of them to make any difference...
It'd be like the small parties around now (Shooters Party, Sex Party etc) and would most likely only run to 2 or 3 seats...

Dunno about that - I'd wager that 1/3 to 1/2 would prefer not to remain aligned to the religious righteous nutjob powermongers who currently control the Party...

Moreover, I'm 100% certain that the majority of those who currently bankroll the Liberal Party are socio-economic and environmental pragmatists, who would prefer to put their money behind a party which is not driven by Tea Party-style doGmatists and religious fundamentalcases!

I hope they believe you and do it.

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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #11 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:18pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:16pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:12pm:

Equitist wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:50pm:

Poll added - please be honest!

Edited:

PS I've also changed the thread title to better match the poll.

They can if they like...but i doubt there's enough of them to make any difference...
It'd be like the small parties around now (Shooters Party, Sex Party etc) and would most likely only run to 2 or 3 seats...

Dunno about that - I'd wager that 1/3 to 1/2 would prefer not to remain aligned to the religious righteous nutjob powermongers who currently control the Party...

Moreover, I'm 100% certain that the majority of those who currently bankroll the Liberal Party are socio-economic and environmental pragmatists, who would prefer to put their money behind a party which is not driven by Tea Party-style doGmatists and religious fundamentalcases!

I hhope you don't pick the Lotto numbers in your house......
Because you are, as always, 100% wrong on that...

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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #12 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:19pm

Equitist wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:16pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:12pm:

Equitist wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:50pm:

Poll added - please be honest!

Edited:

PS I've also changed the thread title to better match the poll.

They can if they like...but i doubt there's enough of them to make any difference...
It'd be like the small parties around now (Shooters Party, Sex Party etc) and would most likely only run to 2 or 3 seats...

Dunno about that - I'd wager that 1/3 to 1/2 would prefer not to remain aligned to the religious righteous nutjob powermongers who currently control the Party...

Moreover, I'm 100% certain that the majority of those who currently bankroll the Liberal Party are socio-economic and environmental pragmatists, who would prefer to put their money behind a party with a long-term progressive vision for Australia, which is not driven by Tea Party-styled doGmatists and religious fundamentalcases!

LOL

You trying too hard.

Look silly.

Shocked

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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #13 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:23pm

As the past 12-24 months have shown, 2 years is a loooong time in Australian politics...not to mention international politics and global finance and economics...

2 years is more than enough time, for a bunch of high-profile centre-right pollies to set up a new party, secure significant funding and run a successful campaign to make a huge dent in the traditional LibLab power base at the 2013 Federal Election...

Now, that would make for a very interesting Minority Govt in 2013 and beyond!

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Re: Should Turnbull & Co split to form a new party
Reply #14 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:27pm

Turnbull will have a very hard time getting anyone in the liberal party over to his new party.

If polls stay the same, they are sliding into government, and therefore every member of the liberal party is facing a choice between being part of government, or at best a member of a minority party in a government.

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