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Tony Bradshaw

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Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Sep 4^th, 2011 at 6:32pm

Does anyone on this forum know what differentiates between the Socialist Alliance and the Socialist Alternative? Both are fringe Far-Left groups that exist primarily in inner-city areas of Australian capital cities. They are the thugs behind the BDS and anti-Israel protests outside Max Brenner chocolate shops. Both the Socialist Alliance and Socialist Alternative seem to have a common cause - demonise the West at any possibility whether it be based on fact or fiction. In Sydney the Alliance has been loosely working with the Greens, particularly those Greens on Marrickville Council such has Marika Kontellis and Cathy Peters.

What is the core political difference between the Alliance and the Alternative? One would have thought that the Far-Left would want to stick together and not fragment into even smaller sects.

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astro_surf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981	Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance Reply #1 - Sep 4^th, 2011 at 6:48pm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
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Tony Bradshaw Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 348 Sydney Gender:	Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance Reply #2 - Sep 4^th, 2011 at 9:37pm astro_surf wrote on Sep 4^th, 2011 at 6:48pm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Mate, Wikipedia is the reason I brought this question to OzPolitic
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GoddyofOz Gold Member Offline Vote 1 for Sex, cause you're gay if you don't Posts: 2397	Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance Reply #3 - Sep 4^th, 2011 at 9:39pm The only form of Socialism I will accept is Democratic Centre Left Socialism. These guys demonstrate that the Far Left can be just as bad as the Right.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance Reply #4 - Sep 4^th, 2011 at 10:09pm Quote: Does anyone on this forum know what differentiates between the Socialist Alliance and the Socialist Alternative Probably originated at different universities.
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Tony Bradshaw Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 348 Sydney Gender:	Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance Reply #5 - Sep 4^th, 2011 at 10:21pm the Left in Australia is small and weak. The Greens Party is as Left as it gets in terms of people seriously thinking about who should govern
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Wattle Grove Ex Member	Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance Reply #6 - Sep 4^th, 2011 at 10:52pm Socialist Alliance http://www.socialist-alliance.org/ The Socialist Equality Party. http://www.sep.org.au/website/
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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance Reply #7 - Sep 4^th, 2011 at 11:01pm Apropos of nothing perhaps, but this is a nice read We are, I would claim, at least eloquent. A personal journey through Anarchism in Australia http://www.takver.com/history/journey.htm
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Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Reply #8 - Sep 5^th, 2011 at 9:27pm

Tony Bradshaw wrote on Sep 4^th, 2011 at 10:21pm:

the Left in Australia is small and weak. The Greens Party is as Left as it gets in terms of people seriously thinking about who should govern

Yet has the same proportional support as the Nat's on their best days and the Lib's on their worst days and those two still manage to form government. Go figure. Maybe your old, rusty model of bipartisan politics is coming to a close? If I was you (ie a one-eyed ideologue with an axe to grind) I'd be very afraid of coal seam gas and the wedge against the Nat's in the bush over this issue. Above and beyond every major defining issue in Australia today, this is potentially the most seismic issue to really shift political alliances in a way that hasn't been seen in 60 years. Yopu laugh now but the Greens have embedded themselves as a third party in a way yjay no-one has done since the Country Party was in power. Grin

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance Reply #9 - Sep 5^th, 2011 at 10:16pm astro_surf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2011 at 9:27pm: Yopu laugh now but the Greens have embedded themselves as a third party....... Yeah like a tick on the arse of the Australian political landscape with their one little Victorian seat that they won't win again....
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Reply #10 - Sep 5^th, 2011 at 10:33pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 5^th, 2011 at 10:16pm:

astro_surf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2011 at 9:27pm:

Yopu laugh now but the Greens have embedded themselves as a third party....... Grin

Yeah like a tick on the arse of the Australian political landscape with their one little Victorian seat that they won't win again.... Cheesy

http://fleatickss.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Picture-Of-A-Tick.jpg

Only because we have a fixed electoral system which deals third parties out of the equation. luckily though, we have Senate representation that is proportional to their level of support in the community

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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 11^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

So tell me, you'd like to see more and more craphouse coloured people in Australia right?&&Yeah good idea moron.&&

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Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Reply #11 - Sep 5^th, 2011 at 10:36pm

astro_surf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2011 at 9:27pm:

Tony Bradshaw wrote on Sep 4^th, 2011 at 10:21pm:

the Left in Australia is small and weak. The Greens Party is as Left as it gets in terms of people seriously thinking about who should govern

Yet has the same proportional support as the Nat's on their best days and the Lib's on their worst days and those two still manage to form government. Go figure. Maybe your old, rusty model of bipartisan politics is coming to a close? If I was you (ie a one-eyed ideologue with an axe to grind) I'd be very afraid of coal seam gas and the wedge against the Nat's in the bush over this issue. Above and beyond every major defining issue in Australia today, this is potentially the most seismic issue to really shift political alliances in a way that hasn't been seen in 60 years. Yopu laugh now but the Greens have embedded themselves as a third party in a way yjay no-one has done since the Country Party was in power. Grin

hmm i wasnt aware that the Libs had dropped under 30% never mind lowered to the Greens 12%.

but it is astro so facts are pretty 'fluid'

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Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Reply #12 - Sep 5^th, 2011 at 10:38pm

astro_surf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2011 at 10:33pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 5^th, 2011 at 10:16pm:

astro_surf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2011 at 9:27pm:

Yopu laugh now but the Greens have embedded themselves as a third party....... Grin

Yeah like a tick on the arse of the Australian political landscape with their one little Victorian seat that they won't win again.... Cheesy

http://fleatickss.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Picture-Of-A-Tick.jpg

Only because we have a fixed electoral system which deals third parties out of the equation. luckily though, we have Senate representation that is proportional to their level of support in the community

I think you mean an electoral system that requires MPs to (gasp!) WIN their seat by coming first. You greens just want a special olympics-style system that rewards participation rather than victory.

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Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance
Reply #13 - Sep 6^th, 2011 at 11:00am

Listen to Ben Fordham get stuck into Greens Senator Lee Rhiannon over her endorsement of the radical Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) policy against Israeli businesses and lashes her for supporting bigotted protesters outside Max Brenner chocolate shops. Bob Brown must be spitting chips everytime Rhiannon opens her mouth!

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=9951

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance Reply #14 - Sep 6^th, 2011 at 11:13am Swagman wrote on Sep 4^th, 2011 at 10:09pm: Quote: Does anyone on this forum know what differentiates between the Socialist Alliance and the Socialist Alternative Probably originated at different universities. And anyway, they are both - splitters!!
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