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gizmo_2655

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Re: Loving children to death
Reply #60 - Sep 7^th, 2011 at 8:06am

Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2011 at 2:03pm:

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the parents were given the assistance and chance to change the situation, and didn't...

actually gizmo, it sounds like they were not given assistance. Spied on yes, assisted, um no. #1 should have been a dietician. It does not look like that happened.

"The family lived in a 'Big Brother' style house in Dundee, Scotland, where their food was monitored and they were constantly supervised.

Despite this, social workers didn't place rules on what the children could eat and there was little improvement in their weight."

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Re: Loving children to death
Reply #61 - Sep 7^th, 2011 at 9:10am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 8:06am:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2011 at 2:03pm:

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the parents were given the assistance and chance to change the situation, and didn't...

actually gizmo, it sounds like they were not given assistance. Spied on yes, assisted, um no. #1 should have been a dietician. It does not look like that happened.

"The family lived in a 'Big Brother' style house in Dundee, Scotland, where their food was monitored and they were constantly supervised.

Despite this, social workers didn't place rules on what the children could eat and there was little improvement in their weight."

so despite constant supervision by OTHERS their weight didnt improve? doesnt this implicity declare that the weight ISNT the fault of the parents (other than genetics?)

non matter who is to blame, you DONT take kids from loving families because they are overweight

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Loving children to death
Reply #62 - Sep 7^th, 2011 at 9:53am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 8:06am:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2011 at 2:03pm:

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the parents were given the assistance and chance to change the situation, and didn't...

actually gizmo, it sounds like they were not given assistance. Spied on yes, assisted, um no. #1 should have been a dietician. It does not look like that happened.

"The family lived in a 'Big Brother' style house in Dundee, Scotland, where their food was monitored and they were constantly supervised.

Despite this, social workers didn't place rules on what the children could eat and there was little improvement in their weight."

Like i said, spied on. #1 should have been a dietician, not just a social worker!

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Re: Loving children to death
Reply #63 - Sep 7^th, 2011 at 11:42am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 9:10am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 8:06am:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2011 at 2:03pm:

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the parents were given the assistance and chance to change the situation, and didn't...

actually gizmo, it sounds like they were not given assistance. Spied on yes, assisted, um no. #1 should have been a dietician. It does not look like that happened.

"The family lived in a 'Big Brother' style house in Dundee, Scotland, where their food was monitored and they were constantly supervised.

Despite this, social workers didn't place rules on what the children could eat and there was little improvement in their weight."

so despite constant supervision by OTHERS their weight didnt improve? doesnt this implicity declare that the weight ISNT the fault of the parents (other than genetics?)

non matter who is to blame, you DONT take kids from loving families because they are overweight

How effect was the supervision if there are no restrictions?

I agree with you kids should not be removed - but how do you save them from themselves?

And we are not talking about simply being "overweight"

We are talking about morbidly obese ie obese leading to death

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longweekend58

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Re: Loving children to death
Reply #64 - Sep 7^th, 2011 at 7:42pm

Maqqa wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 11:42am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 9:10am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2011 at 8:06am:

Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2011 at 2:03pm:

Quote:

the parents were given the assistance and chance to change the situation, and didn't...

actually gizmo, it sounds like they were not given assistance. Spied on yes, assisted, um no. #1 should have been a dietician. It does not look like that happened.

"The family lived in a 'Big Brother' style house in Dundee, Scotland, where their food was monitored and they were constantly supervised.

Despite this, social workers didn't place rules on what the children could eat and there was little improvement in their weight."

so despite constant supervision by OTHERS their weight didnt improve? doesnt this implicity declare that the weight ISNT the fault of the parents (other than genetics?)

non matter who is to blame, you DONT take kids from loving families because they are overweight

How effect was the supervision if there are no restrictions?

I agree with you kids should not be removed - but how do you save them from themselves?

And we are not talking about simply being "overweight"

We are talking about morbidly obese ie obese leading to death

As I have been at pains to point out, the thread is about taking children not weight. it is THAT issue which needs to be addressed and is far more important than their weight.

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Re: Loving children to death
Reply #65 - Sep 8^th, 2011 at 9:47am

Think about it, folks: what would happen to the self-esteem of the child/ren if removed from the loving care of their parents - and thrown into a strange foster environment which is overly-focused on the child's physical well-being weight loss!?

In addition to being uprooted from their familiar home, the child/ren will also probably suffer a change of schools - and most likely find themselves ostracised in this new school environment because of their weight...

Does not common sense tell you that: severe anxiety and depression are likely to arise and that the child/ren will either try to eat more to compensate - perhaps even run away or steal to get food - and or be inclined to more dramatic and dangerous self-harm than simply over-eating!?

How can these and other risks be regarded as acceptable!?

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