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Sep 5th, 2011 at 6:52pm
 
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/10188126/children-to-be-removed-from-pa...

A mother and father in the UK are on the brink of losing four of their children because they failed to bring their weight under control.

Their three daughters, aged 11, seven and one, and five-year-old son, are set to be either "fostered without contact" or adopted.

In the first case of its kind, the obese children will only be able to see their parents again if they track them down when they become adults.

According to The Mail on Sunday, the couple were given an ultimatum three years ago to get their children to lose weight.

The family lived in a 'Big Brother' style house in Dundee, Scotland, where their food was monitored and they were constantly supervised.

Despite this, social workers didn't place rules on what the children could eat and there was little improvement in their weight.

Now a decision has been made to remove the children from their parents, a move which critics call "a disgraceful breach of human rights".

In an interview, the 42-year-old mother said: "We might not be the perfect parents, but we love our children with all our hearts. To face a future where we will never see them again is unbearable.

"They picked on us because of our size to start with and they just haven’t let go, despite the fact we’ve done everything to lose weight and meet their demands. We’re going to fight this to the bitter end. It feels like even prisoners have more human rights than we do."

The couple, who have been married for 20 years, also have three older children.

They're all distraught about the ruling, their 15-year-old daughter said: "The social workers should hang their heads in shame. A person’s weight is their own business and only we can do anything about it, not them. My parents are good people and they love us all. The four little ones don’t know what is about to happen to them."

Social workers originally became aware of the family in 2008 when one of the sons accused his father of hitting him.

Although he later admitted he'd actually fallen and hit his head against a radiator, social workers started investigating the weight of the children.

A council report at the time said: "With the exception of [one of the names], the children are all overweight. Advice has been given regarding diet but there has been no improvement. Appointments with the dietician have been missed."

At the time, then 12-year-old son weighed 102kg; his 11-year-old sister weighed 76kg; and his three-year-old sister weighed 25kg. It is not known how much the four younger children weigh now.

The family were then given a series of ultimatums, including enrolling the children in activities like dance and football lessons and were placed in foster homes.

The father, aged 56, said: "We have tried very hard to do everything that was asked of us. My wife has cooked healthy foods like home-made spaghetti bolognese and mince and potatoes; we’ve cut out snacks and only ever allowed the kids sweets on a Saturday. But nothing we’ve done has ever been enough."

According to their solicitor Joe Myles, the couple haven't committed any crime and aren't accused of deliberate cruelty or abuse. He said there was "nothing sinister lurking in the background.

"The parents were constantly being accused of bad parenting and made to live under a microscope."

Although the weight was a major factor, social workers said they were also concerned about other aspects in the family home.

Dundee City Council said: "The council always acts in the best interests of children, with their welfare and safety in mind."
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Reply #1 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 6:54pm
 
This is where human rights are abused - not by the law but by the parents
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Reply #2 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 6:54pm
 
Obese parents belong in politics?..
Thats a new one  Cheesy
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Reply #3 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 6:59pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 6:54pm:
Obese parents belong in politics?..
Thats a new one  Cheesy



No more than gay marriages adel

The point I am making is the fine line of legislating to stop the minority and it's potential impact on the majority

We see the Greens and social apologist lobby for ban on junk food on TV - yet what do they do in cases like this?
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The family lived in a 'Big Brother' style house in Dundee, Scotland, where their food was monitored and they were constantly supervised.

Despite this, social workers didn't place rules on what the children could eat and there was little improvement in their weight.


What gets me, is the food was monitored and they were supervised.


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My wife has cooked healthy foods like home-made spaghetti bolognese and mince and potatoes;

and fruit and other veg ? if this is all that was being cooked then it is not healthy. Yes okay for one or two meals, but not daily without other vegies.
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Reply #5 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 7:42pm
 
why punish the children???.. take kids away from a loving mum and dad will do them untold harm...get a dietician in the house and teach them to cook and eat properly.. they are telling the kids they are fat and their mum and dad are no good... good one.

all psychologically damaging.

Jsamie Oliver has tried to teach everyone how to feed kids.. yet most ignore him..some of the worst food served up is in schools..
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Reply #6 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 7:46pm
 
One would have thought, that they would have got a dietician into the house while they were supervising and monitoring. Pretty poor really. Talk about half assed.
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Reply #7 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 7:51pm
 
Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 7:46pm:
One would have thought, that they would have got a dietician into the house while they were supervising and monitoring. Pretty poor really. Talk about half assed.



how do you feel about them taking the children out of their home???

in most cases they go by feed back from schools..

I am not saying the parents are not to be accountable.. but some have no idea do they??..look at that stupid mother who puts her 4 year old in these contests and she wears false boobs and bum...where do you start?
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Reply #8 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 7:59pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 7:51pm:
Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 7:46pm:
One would have thought, that they would have got a dietician into the house while they were supervising and monitoring. Pretty poor really. Talk about half assed.



how do you feel about them taking the children out of their home???

in most cases they go by feed back from schools..

I am not saying the parents are not to be accountable.. but some have no idea do they??..look at that stupid mother who puts her 4 year old in these contests and she wears false boobs and bum...where do you start?



I don't know cods, I do not know enough about the situation.
But to take all visiting rights, now that blows! These children will feel abandoned. If you thought you parents abondoned you, would you look for them? Sounds to me like the council were half assed. But again, we do not know the full story here.
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Reply #9 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 8:05pm
 
I would not be surprised the parents are also large mammals as well

Dieticians are great - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it stop eating

So in this case - education is useless if they won't take action

If the 12 years old is 102kg - I find that to be child abuse.

Parents seems to have no will power to say NO to their own food intact and no will power to say no to their children

So how do you protect the children?
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Reply #10 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 8:09pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 8:05pm:
I would not be surprised the parents are also large mammals as well

Dieticians are great - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it stop eating

So in this case - education is useless if they won't take action

If the 12 years old is 102kg - I find that to be child abuse.

Parents seems to have no will power to say NO to their own food intact and no will power to say no to their children

So how do you protect the children?




so what do you call taking kids away form loving parents???
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Maqqa wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 8:05pm:
I would not be surprised the parents are also large mammals as well

Dieticians are great - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it stop eating

So in this case - education is useless if they won't take action

If the 12 years old is 102kg - I find that to be child abuse.

Parents seems to have no will power to say NO to their own food intact and no will power to say no to their children

So how do you protect the children?



and the fact that they were supervised and monitored Maqqa ?
don;t you think that is a tinsy bit of a stuff up?
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Reply #12 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 8:13pm
 
you would have to get the parents fixed first.. sounds like they are the dregs.. but never the less..we have been through the stolen generation.. isnt this more of the same..

if the specialists cant get the parents to change then their is something wrong with how they are approaching them..

if thyey are as obese as you say.. then it wouldnt be hard to get someone in the house doing all the meals and shopping..it wouldnt be anywhere near as expensive as putting these kids into foster homes..

maybe a dose of hypnosis..or frontal lobotomy...
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cods wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 8:09pm:
Maqqa wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 8:05pm:
I would not be surprised the parents are also large mammals as well

Dieticians are great - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it stop eating

So in this case - education is useless if they won't take action

If the 12 years old is 102kg - I find that to be child abuse.

Parents seems to have no will power to say NO to their own food intact and no will power to say no to their children

So how do you protect the children?




so what do you call taking kids away form loving parents???



That's the catch 22 and hence the title of the thread - loving children to death

12 years old and already 102kg - how many more years do you think this child has

So do we prolong life and look at the alternative or do we allow this abuse to continue?

Its clear the parents can't help themselves

So do governments legislate to protect children from their own parents when they exceed a certain weight?

I don't know.

What's the difference between this and smoking in a car with children inside or any other abuse?

The only difference is eating is enjoyable - but net result is the same as abuse

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cods wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 8:13pm:
you would have to get the parents fixed first.. sounds like they are the dregs.. but never the less..we have been through the stolen generation.. isnt this more of the same..

if the specialists cant get the parents to change then their is something wrong with how they are approaching them..

if thyey are as obese as you say.. then it wouldnt be hard to get someone in the house doing all the meals and shopping..it wouldnt be anywhere near as expensive as putting these kids into foster homes..

maybe a dose of hypnosis..or frontal lobotomy...



Don't forget they can snack

So unless you control their money - they will buy heaps of snacks which compound the issue

So does the government quarantine their income? We tried that with the Aborigines and look at the outrage
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