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Reply #90 - Oct 11^th, 2011 at 8:54am

But the 'Palestinians' are really our friends.
And we all know, that all of their troubles, spring from the fact that the 'Palestinians' are the victims of the Zionist oppression.
Honest.
And we all know, don't we, that is those Joos which are the author of all of the disharmony which we see in the world ?
/sarc off

Senior Fatah official: U.S. is #1 Palestinian enemy, Fatah has not abandoned armed jihad against Israel
Remember, Fatah is supposed to be the moderate group with which the U.S. can negotiate. "'US is #1 Palestinian enemy as it backs Israeli oppression,'"
....Tirawi also criticized the PA leadership for refusing to allow Palestine TV to use the term “Israeli enemy” in its broadcasts.
“Those who prevent the use of the term ‘Israeli enemy’ are acting in violation of national awareness and the principles of people under occupation,” he argued.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/senior-fatah-official-us-is-1-palestinian-enem...

I don't know why the ABC news gathering teams missed this story, i really don't know why.
[Asia Pacific Focus?, Foreign Correspondent?, 7.30 Report?, Lateline?, Q&A? ....are they all deaf, blind, mute monkeys?]
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Our 'partners, for 'Peace in the Middle East'.
Always 'perusing peace', so sincerely.
Yeah, those moderate Fatah cadres, don't ya just love em ?
I know that i do.
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #91 - Oct 11^th, 2011 at 9:04am

I COMMEND THE ABC, FOR REPORTING ON ASPECTS OF THIS STORY, INVOLVING THE PERSECUTION OF, AND THE VIOLENCE AGAINST NON-MOSLEMS, BY ISLAMISTS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THE ABC, REFUSES TO REPORT [IN ITS REPORTING ON IN THIS STORY], ABOUT THE INFLUENCES WHICH ARE CLEARLY MOTIVATING THIS ISLAMIST VIOLENCE [duh! duh! duh!] ??? [e.g. Koran 9.29]

Raymond Ibrahim: Egypt - Destroying Churches, One at a Time

Today on Hudson NY (via RaymondIbrahim.com), I discuss the much overlooked context that led to yesterday's bloodbath in Egypt:
What clearer sign that Egypt is turning rabidly Islamist than the fact that hardly a few weeks go by without a church being destroyed, or without protesting Christians being attacked and slaughtered by the military?
The latest chaos in Egypt—where the military opened fire on unarmed Christians and repeatedly ran armored vehicles over them, killing dozens—originates in Edfu, a onetime tourist destination renowned for its pharaonic antiquities, but now known as the latest region to see a church destroyed by a Muslim mob.
....local Muslims began complaining, making various demands, including that the church be devoid of crosses and bells—even though the permit approved them—citing that "the Cross irritates Muslims and their children."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/raymond-ibrahim-egypt---destroying-churches-on...

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #92 - Oct 11^th, 2011 at 9:10am

I COMMEND THE ABC, FOR REPORTING ON ASPECTS OF THIS STORY, INVOLVING THE PERSECUTION OF, AND THE VIOLENCE AGAINST NON-MOSLEMS, BY ISLAMISTS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THE ABC, REFUSES TO REPORT [ITS REPORTING ON IN THIS STORY], ABOUT THE INFLUENCES WHICH ARE CLEARLY MOTIVATING THIS ISLAMIST VIOLENCE [duh! duh! duh!] ??? [e.g. Koran 9.29]

Egypt: "I feel this country is going to be Islamic. The Army is the one who shoots the Christian people, and says to the Muslims, 'here, take your country now.'"

I tried to tell you.....
Cairo -- A deadly attack by the Egyptian Army on a Christian demonstration Sunday evening left as many as 24 dead, and incited sectarian violence that opened a dark new chapter on Egypt’s future.
......“Why does the Army and the government kill us?” asked Boula Zakie, tears streaming down his face and onto his black shirt as he sat in the Coptic Hospital and watched his friend being carried past on a stretcher amid the din of wailing. “We feel we are not from this country anymore. I feel this country is going to be Islamic. The Army is the one who shoots the Christian people, and says to the Muslims, ‘here, take your country now.’ And they forget we are the ones who were here first.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/egypt-i-feel-this-country-is-going-to-be-islam...

Its the 'Arab spring' you see.
/sarc off

Expect to see these type of reports, again and again, as moslems in the M.E. embrace their new found 'freedom' and 'liberty'....

More reflections on the 'Arab spring', that harbinger of new liberty, and justice, and tolerance, throughout the middle east.
/sarc off

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #93 - Oct 11^th, 2011 at 9:15am

Its the 'Arab spring' you see.
/sarc off

Expect to see these type of reports, again and again, as moslems in the M.E. embrace their new found 'freedom' and 'liberty'....
......just don't expect to see these reports in any ABC tv news items.

More reflections on the 'Arab spring', that harbinger of new liberty, and justice, and tolerance, throughout the middle east.
/sarc off

Shocker in Egypt: Christians facing rising discrimination, increasingly strident Islamic supremacism after revolution

We tried to tell you. The Sharia being implemented in Egypt will not be Paper Sharia, the theoretical constructs entertained in Western academic exercises about what Sharia could, would, should, or ought to be. Egypt's Christians will not face the "moderate" Sharia prototype on someone's drawing board. They will get the production model, whose performance is already on display. "Christians fear Islamist pressure in Egypt," by Maggie Michael for the Associated Press, October 8 (thanks to all who sent this in):
CAIRO (AP) — On her first day to school, 15-year-old Christian student Ferial Habib was stopped at the doorstep of her new high school with clear instructions: either put on a headscarf or no school this year.
Habib refused. While most Muslim women in Egypt wear the headscarf, Christians do not, and the move by administrators to force a Christian student to don it was unprecedented. For the next two weeks, Habib reported to school in the southern Egyptian village of Sheik Fadl every day in her uniform, without the head covering, only to be turned back by teachers.
One day, Habib heard the school loudspeakers echoing her name and teachers with megaphones leading a number of students in chants of "We don't want Ferial here," the teenager told The Associated Press.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/shocker-in-egypt-christians-facing-rising-disc...

I don't know why the ABC news gathering teams missed this story, i really don't know why.
[Asia Pacific Focus?, Foreign Correspondent?, 7.30 Report?, Lateline?, Q&A? ....are they all deaf, blind, mute monkeys?]
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #94 - Oct 11^th, 2011 at 9:30am

Its the 'Arab spring' you see.
/sarc off

Expect to see these type of reports, again and again, as moslems in the M.E. embrace their new found 'freedom' and 'liberty'....
......just don't expect to see these reports in any ABC tv news items.

More reflections on the 'Arab spring', that harbinger of new liberty, and justice, and tolerance, throughout the middle east.
/sarc off

Egyptian Salafists: "The people who don't recognize Islamic Sharia won’t enter paradise," and those who oppose it are "adulterers, thieves, and immoral people"

It is a foregone conclusion that post-revolutionary Egypt will continue to have Sharia law as the basis of legislation in its next constitution, as is enshrined in Article 2 of the current constitution. Therein lies a perpetual source of instability: Sharia has something to say about every aspect of Muslim life, and there can always be more to enforce. Even Imam Rauf knows that Allah's own law, for those who regard it as such, does not lend itself to compartmentalization. Someone will always want more Sharia and be willing to kill and topple governments for it, as the fundamental aim of jihad in all its forms is the imposition of Sharia.
In particular, any state taking on Sharia (as is currently the case with Malaysia), eventually has to confront demands for the dhimma laws to subjugate unbelievers,

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/egyptian-salafists-the-people-who-dont-recogni...

I don't know why the ABC news gathering teams missed this story, i really don't know why.
[Asia Pacific Focus?, Foreign Correspondent?, 7.30 Report?, Lateline?, Q&A? ....are they all deaf, blind, mute monkeys?]
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THE TRUTH....which many Western 'experts' on ISLAM, Western social engineers [social 'experimenters'], and many Western politicians refuse to address and confront, in their sanctioning of a large or ever increasing moslem community, in our midst, here in the West.....

n.b.

"....the fundamental aim of jihad in all its forms is the imposition of Sharia."

....upon everyone.

And, ALL moslems are obligated, and committed to see the spread of Sharia [the influence of their ISLAM], though many moslems will blatantly lie about that intent, on their part.

Because lying, to infidels, is part and parcel of their Jihad [their 'struggle'], against the infidels.

Google;

taqiyya, holy deception, is mainstream in islam

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

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we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #95 - Oct 12^th, 2011 at 10:04am

It would be difficult 'domestically', for a professed Sharia jurisdiction [Pakistan] to sentence to death a 'murderer', whose crime was to kill someone who was 'assaulting' ISLAM's sanctity, by challenging ISLAM's [own] blasphemy laws.

Mumtaz Qadri [the murderer] was merely defending ISLAM.

Mumtaz Qadri [the murderer] merely killed an infidel, who was attacking ISLAM's sanctity.

It is therefore unthinkable that a professed Sharia jurisdiction [Pakistan] would, could, condemn, let alone execute a moslem, for the 'crime' of defending ISLAM, i.e. for the 'crime' of killing an infidel.

Why are these ['religious'] aspects of crimes in moslem countries, NOT scrutinised and explored, in ABC news reports ???

Hmmm ?

Pakistan court suspends death sentence for jihad murderer of governor who opposed blasphemy law

The blasphemy law is too popular in Pakistan for this sentence to have stood. "Pakistan court suspends death sentence of governor's killer," by Shaan Khan for CNN, October 11 (thanks to James):
Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- A Pakistani court has suspended the death sentence of Mumtaz Qadri, a security guard who killed a liberal politician over the latter's remarks on the nation's controversial blasphemy law.
"Qadri was provoked by the governor and should therefore be tried for murder, not an act of terror which is what he was tried for earlier" said his attorney Raja Shuja Ur Rehman in confirming the judge's decision.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/pakistan-court-suspends-death-sentence-for-jih...

I don't know why the ABC news gathering teams missed this story, i really don't know why.
[Asia Pacific Focus?, Foreign Correspondent?, 7.30 Report?, Lateline?, Q&A? ....are they all deaf, blind, mute monkeys?]
/sarc offiUnder Sharia law.....

But if a moslem kills a non-moslem, the moslem MUST NOT die, particularly, if in the act of killing the non-moslem the moslem was 'defending ISLAM'.

"....I asked, "What is on this paper?" He replied, "The legal regulations of Diya (Blood-money) and the (ransom for) releasing of the captives, and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed in Qisas (equality in punishment) for killing a Kafir (disbeliever)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.083.050

"....I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "(The regulations of) blood-money, the freeing of captives, and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.283

And the Koran itself declares that it is absolutely unlawful, and would be a heinous crime, for a moslem [jurisdiction] to murder/kill a good moslem, a moslem who was a 'defender of ISLAM'.

"......If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."
Koran 4.092, 93

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #96 - Oct 12^th, 2011 at 10:15am

n.b.
The constitution of Malaysia "guarantees" 'freedom of religion'.

Sure it does.
/sarc off

Shocker: Malaysian religious police accused of relying on 'dubious evidence'

Developments continue to emerge in regards to the raid that was not a raid conducted by the Malaysian religious police on a Kuala Lumpur-area church last August. It seems that the Muslim authorities have made their final determinations as to what happened, and have proclaimed the infidels guilty of trying to proselytize to Muslims (which is illegal in Malaysia) by continuing to rely on what a Malaysian Catholic bishop refers to as 'dubious evidence'. What the bishop fails to realize is that under Shariah, the infidel is automatically presumed guilty, and Muslims are under no compunction to substantially prove anything; in fact a Muslim solely accusing a non Muslim of misconduct is prima facie evidence under Shariah.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/shocker-malaysian-religious-police-accused-of-...

I don't know why the ABC news gathering teams missed this story, i really don't know why.
[Asia Pacific Focus?, Foreign Correspondent?, 7.30 Report?, Lateline?, Q&A? ....are they all deaf, blind, mute monkeys?]
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #97 - Oct 12^th, 2011 at 10:28am

Inside Egypt, in recent weeks....

Moslems storm a foreign embassy - no prob's.

Christians protest peacefully that moslems are destroying Christian Churches - its not on!!

Egypt: "How have Copts become so unprotected in their own country? Why is it so easy to kill over a dozen of us in a protest while those who stormed into the Israeli embassy were not even harmed?"

As the Egyptian prime minister blames a "dirty conspiracy," more details are emerging about the massacre of the protesters:
"At one point, an armored security van sped into the crowd, striking a half-dozen protesters and throwing some into the air."
"After midnight, mobs roamed downtown streets, attacking cars they suspected had Christian passengers. In many areas, there was no visible police or army presence to confront or stop them."
More:
"Bands of young men armed with sticks, rocks, swords and firebombs began to roam central Cairo, attacking Christians. Troops and riot police did not intervene to stop the attacks on Christians."
"Throughout the night, the station cast the Christian protesters as a violent mob attacking the army and public property.
....Video clips of the incident showed military vehicles ploughing through crowds of demonstrators so that several were crushed to death. It was the worst violence since Hosni Mubarak, who ruled Egypt for 30 years, was ousted on 11 February. The Copts insist they were marching peacefully when thugs attacked them, drawing in the military police....."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/egypt-how-have-copts-become-so-unprotected-in-...

I don't know why the ABC news gathering teams missed this story, i really don't know why.
[Asia Pacific Focus?, Foreign Correspondent?, 7.30 Report?, Lateline?, Q&A? ....are they all deaf, blind, mute monkeys?]
/sarc off

Its the 'Arab spring' you see.
/sarc off

Expect to see these type of reports, again and again, as moslems in the M.E. embrace their new found 'freedom' and 'liberty'....
......just don't expect to see these reports in any ABC tv news items.

More reflections on the 'Arab spring', that harbinger of new liberty, and justice, and tolerance, throughout the middle east.
/sarc off

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #98 - Oct 12^th, 2011 at 10:35am

Its the 'Arab spring' you see.
/sarc off

Expect to see these type of reports, again and again, as moslems in the M.E. embrace their new found 'freedom' and 'liberty'....
......just don't expect to see these reports in any ABC tv news items.

More reflections on the 'Arab spring', that harbinger of new liberty, and justice, and tolerance, throughout the middle east.
/sarc off

Egypt: Military attempts to rewrite circumstances of massacre of Christian protesters

True to form, Egypt's military regime has been busily playing up "foreign hands" and "agents," playing to already rampant public paranoia (often laced with antisemitism) to manipulate the population.
.....The dead were buried on Monday, more than two dozen Christian Egyptian protesters mowed down by their own military, an army that had won praise back in February for refusing to turn its weapons on demonstrators. After Sunday night's violence, which left 24 dead and more than 270 wounded, according to the Egyptian Health Ministry, the Arab Spring seems a long time ago. A military council led by Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi is now in charge of Egypt, and it is resurrecting many of the tactics of deposed President Hosni Mubarak to instill fear and keep the citizenry in line, like using state TV to spread sectarian suspicion and conspiratorial talk of "foreign hands" sowing internal discord.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/egypt-military-attempts-to-rewrite-circumstanc...

I don't know why the ABC news gathering teams missed this story, i really don't know why.
[Asia Pacific Focus?, Foreign Correspondent?, 7.30 Report?, Lateline?, Q&A? ....are they all deaf, blind, mute monkeys?]
/sarc off

Its those Joos who did it, who are responsible.
/sarc off

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #99 - Oct 12^th, 2011 at 10:48am

Israeli FM: Palestinians want statehood for a state they expect to exist in the future, but does not exist now

"... under the accepted principles of international law going back to the Montevideo Convention of 1933, there are four prerequisites for statehood: a permanent population; defined territory; effective government; and a capacity to enter into relations with other states."
The contradictions on the Palestinian Authority's treatment of its "permanent population" are particularly glaring, and revealing of its intentions.
....“The Palestinians seem to be seeking to establish a new state, and at the same time preserve the status of Palestinians living in the diaspora as so-called ‘refugees,’” the document continued.
“As part of this effort, they have presented contradictory positions, wanting to continue to represent all Palestinians on refugee-related claims, but, at the same time, stating that they do not intend to grant citizenship to members of the Palestinian diaspora.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/israeli-fm-palestinians-want-statehood-for-a-s...

I don't know why the ABC news gathering teams missed this story, i really don't know why.
[Asia Pacific Focus?, Foreign Correspondent?, 7.30 Report?, Lateline?, Q&A? ....are they all deaf, blind, mute monkeys?]
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How strange, that 'Palestinians' are seeking to establish a new 'Palestinian' state,
.....BUT THE 'PALESTINIANS' DO NOT INTEND TO GRANT CITIZENSHIP TO MEMBERS OF THE PALESTINIAN DIASPORA ???
/sarc off

PLEASE SEE MY POST HERE;

"News stories, you will NOT see reported on ABC TV"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1315488627/69#69
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Cant you see that 'Palestinian' refugees, are a contrived and convenient political stick, with which moslems can beat Israel, upon a world stage of public opinion?
And that is why the problem of 'Palestinian' refugees will never be solved, because it isn't in the political interests of Israel's enemies [ISLAMISTS] to solve the 'Palestinian' refugee 'problem'.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #100 - Oct 13^th, 2011 at 8:33am

Pakistan: 12 year-old Christian gang raped for eight months, forcibly converted to Islam, "married" to her Muslim attacker

Will the Islamophobia never end? "Pakistan: A 12 year-old Christian is gang raped for eight months, forcibly converted and then 'married' to her Muslim attacker,"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/pakistan-12-year-old-christian-gang-raped-for-...

I don't know why the ABC news gathering teams missed this story, i really don't know why.
[Asia Pacific Focus?, Foreign Correspondent?, 7.30 Report?, Lateline?, Q&A? ....are they all deaf, blind, mute monkeys?]
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Q.
Why are these type of stories coming out of Egypt and Pakistan, dealing with the abduction, rape, and then forced conversion to ISLAM, of young Christian girls by moslem men, so, so common ?

Why ?

A.
I am certain that ONE reason is because no one in the Western mainstream media is willing to 'lift the lid' on this disgusting can of worms.

And why are these type of stories coming out of Egypt and Pakistan, dealing with the abduction, rape, and then forced conversion to ISLAM, of young Christian girls by moslem men, never reported on ABC tv news reports ?

How does our Australian ABC justify ignoring, and not reporting this 'phenomenon' of [apparently] state sanctioned child stealing [against non-moslem communities], within majority moslem nations ?

Google;

christian girl raped forced conversion to islam

2+ million hits on Google

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #101 - Oct 13^th, 2011 at 8:46am

Underwear jihadi says he would not be found guilty under Islamic law

There is an interesting case for Muslim moderates: they could explain why Abdulmutallab would actually be found guilty under Islamic law. Unfortunately, no moderate spokesmen in the West will take up this challenge.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/underwear-jihadi-says-he-would-not-be-found-gu...

I don't know why the ABC news gathering teams missed this story, i really don't know why.
[Asia Pacific Focus?, Foreign Correspondent?, 7.30 Report?, Lateline?, Q&A? ....are they all deaf, blind, mute monkeys?]
/sarc off

Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab is exactly correct.

His intended deed, as seen by ISLAM would be a 'good deed'.

ISLAM justifies, sanctions such actions, as a normal part of the Jihad against ALL infidels.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
[i.e. 'Unbelief' is a crime.]
inciting and motivating moslem violence against non-moslems

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76
i.e. Fighting against 'unbelievers' is sanctified. And fighting against 'unbelievers' is 'good works'. Because 'unbelievers' [of Allah] are in league with SATAN. So those who are good moslems will of course fight against the 'unbelievers'.

These verses in the Hadith, show that 'religious fighting' in Allah's cause [so as to IMPOSE ISLAMIC law upon others, using violence], is an obligation for moslems...

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
and,
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

n.b.
"He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause."

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: News stories, you will NOT see reported on ABC TV
Reply #102 - Oct 13^th, 2011 at 9:22am

Yadda wrote on Oct 13^th, 2011 at 8:33am:

Strange how these "human rights" organisation seem to be willing to investigate alleged crimes if the alleged perpetrators are Muslim. But if the perpetrators are Christian there is no investigation.

Women Who Converted To Islam Kidnapped By Church

The wives of two Egyptian Coptic priests, forbidden by the church from divorcing their abusive husbands, desperately sought another way out by converting to Islam. When their intentions were discovered, police handed them over to the church, and their whereabouts since have been unknown.

Both Wafaa Constantine, 53, and Camilla Shehata, 25, lived in remote rural towns and enjoyed prestige as devoted and pious wives of conservative Coptic priests. But behind that veneer, a lawyer and a church official said, the women were trapped in abusive relationships.

Both tried to seek a divorce through church channels but hit a dead end because the Coptic Orthodox Church forbids divorce — a rule enforced even more strictly against the wives of priests. And they decided to rebel, not only against their husbands but against the whole religion.

They sought to convert to Islam, something viewed as a disgrace in their community. The Coptic Church considers those who convert to other religions dead, making the marriage contract invalid.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/12/two-missing-coptic-women-abused-by-priest-husbands-what-if-they-were-muslim/

Shehata disappeared from her home for several days in July after having reportedly converted to Islam—some say in an effort to get a divorce, which is not permitted by the Coptic Church. At first, the Christians protested—accusing Muslims of kidnapping a Christian and forcing her to convert. When she re-emerged, it was the Muslims' turn. Many now believe Shehata was forcibly returned to her home and the Coptic Church by state authorities, only to become sequestered against her will within the confines of a monastery.

...Wafaa Constantine, who was also the wife of a priest, reportedly converted to Islam in 2004, and wound up in a monastery as well...

...Wafaa Constantine, who was also the wife of a priest, reportedly converted to Islam in 2004, and wound up in a monastery as well. Neither woman has appeared in public since their returns to the church, and the Salafi protests of late have invoked both names. "Today we hold a stand off to free our sister hostages from the church," explained one of the protesters, Atef Wael. "Whenever a sister converts to Islam, they keep her in the church and they torture her..."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2029977,00.html

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Reply #103 - Oct 13^th, 2011 at 9:45am

Christians Make up stories to get police/media attention:

Copts alarmed by rise in young female converts to Islam

The video footage is blurred and shaky, but there is no mistaking the identity of the two young girls.

Sitting in what appears to be a busy city square and speaking above a cacophony of car horns, Christine and Nancy Fathy explain to the camera why they have run away from their families.

“I left my parents and came to Cairo to understand more about the true religion,” says 16-year-old Christine, who is sat next to her 14-year-old cousin. “I want to tell my parents to leave me alone.”

Both girls, who disappeared in June, have their hair covered by black hijabs – a common enough sight in an Islamic country like Egypt.

But for two people who until recently had lived their entire lives as Christians, the image – not least for their families – was a shocking one.

“Their parents are horrified,” said Nashat Fathy, one of the girls’ uncles who spoke recently to Al-Masry Al Youm. “They are feeling so sad. The men and women in the family have not stopped crying.”

The story of the two girls' alleged conversion is just one of an increasing number of cases reported in the wake of Egypt’s 24 January uprising...

...In the recent video, which was posted on an Islamist website last week, Christine giggles sheepishly as Nancy insists they left home voluntarily. “We were not kidnapped,” she says

Before the upheaval began early this year his firm was dealing with about three or four cases every week. “Now we have nearly three or four families every day coming to us to say their girl has been taken,” he said.

The case of Christine and Nancy highlights a growing problem in a country where tensions between Egypt’s Muslims and Copts lie close to the surface.

But according to Ishak Ibrahim, an expert on religious issues from the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights, many of the cases are not always as they seem.

“Families often say daughters have been kidnapped to make the media and police interested,” said Ibrahim, a Coptic Christian. “Some girls just want to convert to Islam. Many of them want to change their religion because they are in love with a man.”

“In this country we consider it a social shame if a woman changes her religion,” said Ibrahim. “If a family said to another family, ‘Our daughter chose by her own will to change,’ then the other family would not accept it. But if they say, ‘A Muslim boy kidnapped her,’ it is different - it means that people should help.”

Ramses, the Christian lawyer, agreed that many cases he dealt with were not bona fide kidnappings, but were instead instances of a young Christian girl falling in love with a man. “When I say a girl has been taken, I don’t mean she has been kidnapped,” he said. “I mean she has been taken by the mind.”

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Re: News stories, you will NOT see reported on ABC TV
Reply #104 - Nov 25^th, 2011 at 10:29am

Muslims express dislike of taqiyya when it is practiced against them.

The North West Counter Terrorism Unit carried out an investigation which involved officers posing as Muslims.

They attended prayer meetings and services at a dozen unnamed mosques in Manchester after they befriended four Muslim men for more than a year.

Three of the men, Munir Farooqi, 54, Israr Malik, 24, and Matthew Newton, 29, were convicted of terrorism charges in September. Another man was acquitted.

The court heard Farooqi, a former Taliban fighter, had tried to recruit the undercover policemen to go to Afghanistan to fight British soldiers.

'It's alarming'

Malik and Newton worked alongside Farooqi at his bookstall.

Farooqi was given four life sentences, Newton was jailed for six years and Malik was given an indeterminate sentence and told he would serve at least five years.

But the covert nature of the operation has led to tensions between Greater Manchester Police and its Islamic advisory group.

Yasmin Dar, a member of the Greater Manchester Police (GMP) Mosques and Community Forum, said: "It's alarming, you've got one community that is being targeted.

"I've not heard of any cases of undercover officers going into churches or synagogues, so why a particular faith? Relations with the police have hit rock bottom. It's created a lot of mistrust with the police."

BBC

Mebbe it happens because, inexplicably (ahem), there is a lot of mistrust of Muslims.
Another forked tongue, mufti?

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