falah wrote on Sep 13^th, 2011 at 11:44pm:



I do not care if Jihadwatch is an accredited news organisation.



I only care if what Jihadwatch reports on, and about ISLAM and about the conduct of moslems [engaged in Jihad activities], is truthful.





MORE TRUTH;
Moslems define telling the truth about ISLAM and about the conduct of moslems [engaged in Jihad activities], as 'hate speech'.

FURTHER, any intellectual scrutiny and intellectual criticism of ISLAM which does not portray ISLAM as moslems would want ISLAM portrayed, is also defined by moslems, as 'hate speech'.



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falah wrote on Sep 14^th, 2011 at 9:11am:


That is an opinion falah, yours.

But an opinion which is un-substantiated by facts and evidence, IS WORTHLESS.




Robert Spencer can back up his opinion, regarding ISLAM, almost exclusively from ISLAMIC sources, and from the actions of moslems.

Robert Spencer provides evidence substantiating his so-called 'lies'.


Whereas;
All of the arguments of ISLAMISTS offend reason.

e.g.




Robert Spencer is a truth speaker.

Secretary of State Clinton says State Department will coordinate with OIC on legal ways to implement UN's resolution criminalizing "defamation of religion"

Moving rapidly to criminalize telling the truth about how Islamic jihadists use the texts and teachings of Islam to encourage violence and supremacism. Free Speech Death Watch Alert, and an update on this story: "OIC/Islamophobia: OIC Observatory warned since 2009 against the growth of the extreme right in Europe, Washington plans to host a meeting on resolution opposing defamation of religions," from the International Islamic News Agency, August 1 (thanks to all who sent this in):
    JEDDAH, Ramadan 1/Aug 1 (IINA)-During the next few months, Washington plans to host a coordination meeting to discuss with the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) how to implement resolution no. 16/18 on combating defamation of religions, and how to prevent stereotypes depicting religions and their followers; as well as disseminating religious tolerance, which has been endorsed by the UN Human Rights Council last March, in agreement with Western countries. The resolution was adopted after lengthy discussions held between the OIC and countries in which the phenomenon of Islamophobia is in the rise.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/08/secretary-of-state-clinton-says-state-departme...

OIC changes name, still wants to criminalize truthful speech about Islam, wage jihad against Israel

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/oic-changes-name-still-wants-to-criminalize-tr...

OIC wants UN to develop a "legally binding institutional instrument" to muzzle free speech about Islam and jihad

The Organization of the Islamic Conference continues to pretend that it is Western non-Muslims, not Islamic jihadists, who are responsible for the link between Islam and terrorist violence, and are hoping by means of laws against "incitement to religious hatred," which are of course to be interpreted and applied by them, to render us mute and hence defenseless in the face of the advancing jihad. "OIC calls for urgent collective measures against Islamophobia," by Habib Shaikh in the Saudi Gazette, September 27:
    JEDDAH - Foreign ministers of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) have called upon the international community to make collective efforts to prevent incitement to hatred and discrimination against Muslims and to take effective measures to discourage negative stereotyping of people on the basis of religion, faith or race, according to an official source at the OIC on Sunday.
...."We emphasize the need to develop, at the UN, including the HRC, a legally binding institutional instrument to promote respect for all religions and cultural values and prevent intolerance, discrimination and the instigation of hatred against any group or followers of any religion."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/09/oic-wants-un-to-develop-a-legally-binding-inst...




I don't know why the ABC news gathering teams missed these stories, i really don't know why.
[Asia Pacific Focus?, Foreign Correspondent?, 7.30 Report?, Lateline?, Q&A? ....are they all deaf, blind, mute monkeys?]
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I have said this before, and i will repeat again [because it relates to the news item below].....

A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy, ISLAM, which teaches moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those who do not believe, as they believe.

And that is true, even when such 'lawful' killing, is of their own child.






http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/bout-2-kill-ma-kid-guilty-fathers-chilling-fac...
http://www.theherald.com.au/news/national/national/general/bout-2-kill-ma-kid-gu...


cited by Soren, here...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295785445/1#1


And the [admitted] motive for this murder?
.....the father feared that the person who had custody of the child, may NOT have raised the child as a moslem.

Normally because of PC 'cultural sensitivities' the Australian mainstream media would never report on the 'cultural' aspect of the motive, but in this instance, because of an editors ignorance of the significance of the 'cultural' aspect, or because ot the 'shock value' that the victim was a small child, such a consideration may have been overlooked.

And because of this oversight[???], in this instance, the wider Australian community was told THE TRUTH,
.....that the moslem father murdered his child, because he felt that ISLAM [through him] would now not have an influence upon his daughter.

And as a moslem father, that circumstance was culturally, totally unacceptable to him.






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And, ISLAMIC law specifically gives moslem men, the right to kill their children [and grandchildren]. [An ISLAMIC source is cited below]

The murder of moslem women and children often goes unreported by moslem families - even within Western nations.

That is because such 'events' [within families] are NOT un-lawful acts, to ISLAMIC law.


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It has often been admitted in court by the perpetrators [in the UK], these type of murders [of their own children] are motivated [justified] by a moslem belief in a moslem culture of entitlement to murder 'wayward' children, who moslem parents presume would, or have, become apostate ['unbelieving'] children.

These type of murders [the murder of their own children] committed by moslem parents [involving a 'cultural' motive], are [now being] commonly reported in the UK.



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Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.








ISLAMIC sources declare that the killing of moslem children, by aparents, can be 'lawful', within ISLAM...
e.g.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/04/british-girl-kidnapped-by-saudi-father-i-told-...


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What every non-moslem needs to remember and to understand about ISLAMIC culture and moslem behaviour is;

To a moslem, all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia.

....and murdering your own children is permitted by Sharia law.

Yadda wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 7:28pm:


Yadda, you know this is not true. I keep posting verses from the Quran which prove it is not true. But you persist with your dishonesty.

“God does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, God loves those who deal with equity.
It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that God forbids you to befriend them...
[al-Mumtahinah 60:8-9]

Prophet Muhammed prohibited murder:

It was narrated that Anas said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him) was asked about major sins, and he said: “Associating others with God, disobeying one’s parents, murder and bearing false witness.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2510; Muslim, 88.

Yadda wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 7:28pm:

Also untrue. Islam teaches that killing children is forbidden and it is an action from the Pagans. The Quran explicitly states :...and do not kill your children...take not a life that God has made sacred, except by the way of justice and law...[al-Anam, 6: 151]

The prohibition of killing children extends to non-Muslim as Prophet Muhammed himself was recording as saying when explaining the rules of warfare:

"“Go out in the name of God, and by the help of God, following the way of the God's prophet. Do not kill any old man, infant, child or woman… spread goodness and do good, for God loves those who do good.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2614"

This attitude towards protecting women and children was supported by the first caliph of the Islamic state following prophet Muhammed, Abdullah 'Abu Bakr' The Truthful, who advised the commander of the Islamic army: “I advise you of ten things: do not kill a woman, or a child, or any old person..." (al-Muwatta’, 982, Book of Struggle).

A prominent Saudi islamic Scholar issues a fatwa on Islam's prohibition on killing women and children:

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/2437


It is despicable of you to produce the tragic case of a mentally ill father killing his child, and holding it up as supposed evidence of Islam condoning murder of children.

Acar's lawyer said his client had a personality disorder which made him impulsive and unable to control his anger, that it was akin to a mental illness...
http://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/latest/a/-/newshome/9767228/bout-to-kill-ma-kid-father-jailed-for-life/

Dr Danny Sullivan said Acar was an immature man whose judgment was impaired by his personality disorder and substance use.
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/mum-tells-court-i-miss-my-murdered-girl/story-e6frfku0-1226076621770


God warned the Muslims not to murder in the Qur'an:

27. And recite to them  the story of the two sons of Adam [Abel and Cain] in truth; when each offered a sacrifice (to God), it was accepted from the one but not from the other. The latter said to the former: "I will surely kill you. " The former said: "Verily, God accepts only from those who are pious"

28. "If you do stretch your hand against me to kill me, I shall never stretch my hand against you to kill you, for I fear God; the Master of the Universe."

29. "Verily, I intend to let you draw my sin on yourself as well as yours, then you will be one of the dwellers of the Fire[if you kill me], and that is the recompense of the oppressive wrongdoers."

30. So the desires of the other (latter one) encouraged him and made fair-seeming to him the murder of his brother; he murdered him and became one of the losers.

31. Then God sent a crow, who scratched the ground to show him to hide the dead body of his brother [through burial]. He (the murderer) said: "Woe to me! Am I not even able to be as this crow and to hide the dead body of my brother?" Then he became one of those who regretted.

32. Because of that We ordained for the Tribes of Israel* that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers [prophets and angels] with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits [e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by God by committing the major sins] in the land!.

*the Tribes of Israel were Muslim until division erupted amongst them, and the worst amongst them began to disobey God, and they rejected the prophethood of prophets such as David, Solomon, John the Baptist, and Jesus.

falah wrote on Sep 16^th, 2011 at 10:10am:



falah,

Taqiyya, taqiyya, taqiyya. [the use of moslem deciet, to promote or protect ISLAM]

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Under Sharia law.....

If a non-moslem kills a moslem, the non-moslem MUST die.

But if a moslem kills a non-moslem, the moslem MUST NOT die.


"....I asked, "What is on this paper?" He replied, "The legal regulations of Diya (Blood-money) and the (ransom for) releasing of the captives,  and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed in Qisas (equality in punishment) for killing a Kafir (disbeliever)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.083.050


"....I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "(The regulations of) blood-money, the freeing of captives, and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.283


Why is this so ???

The ummah [the worldwide moslem community] are a closed community [in law, i.e. in moslem law].

To ISLAM [to good moslems!], those outside the ummah have the status of cattle.

Those outside the ummah [non-moslems] can live, while they are 'useful' to moslems, but they are not 'protected' [in law].

'Unbelievers' have no mandatory protection, in ISLAMIC law.

as per....
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11



falah,
As you would well know, to ALL moslems, the term, , only relates to, and applies to a fellow moslem.

as per....
"......If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."
Koran 4.092, 93





The children of moslem parents, which children, moslem parents presume have become apostate ['unbelieving'] children, are no longer considered to be moslems.

And as such, those children have no protection, under ISLAMIC law.

as per....
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

The Hadith,
"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260


Family members who are 'unbelieving' are to be rejected, in favour of ISLAM, and Allah's 'protection'....

"O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong."
Koran 9.23, 24

"Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;- "
Koran 4.88, 89

'Hypocrites', in the verse above are those without faith.

falah is a hypocrite, falah is an 'unbeliever', IN A VERY REAL, PRACTICAL SENSE.....

Quote:

more on that, here...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0




Back to the legitimacy, of killing 'unbelievers'...

ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/fus3_50.html#3.110

n.b. "Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

Yadda, taqiyya is a Shi-ite practice not a Muslim one.

Muslims are not allowed to lie about their religion.

If you want to know about Islam's teaching on truthfulness, just look at what historians say about Saladin, who was known to always keep his promises and treaties. Then take a look at the Christian Crusaders who were always known to lie and break their promises at every opportunity.


Now when it comes to lying, perhaps we should look at Jews. What has Israel done to friendly nations like Australia in times of peace. Jewish Israel has sent teams out to pretend to be travel agent so that the could obtain Australian and new Zealand passports.

Britons had passport details stolen by ‘Mossad death squad’
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7029553.ece


Mossad 'factory' churned out fake Australian passports
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-02-26/mossad-factory-churned-out-fake-australian/343612


Britain expels Mossad agent over forged passport plot
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/mar/23/israel-mossad-agent-expelled-passport


'Mossad spies' jailed over New Zealand passport fraud
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jul/16/israel


Mossad spy ring 'unearthed because of Christchurch earthquake'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/8649223/Mossad-spy-ring-unearthed-because-of-Christchurch-earthquake.html

The assault on the USS Liberty

Experts respond to new evidence that the deadly 1967 attack on a U.S. spy ship by Israeli forces was deliberate.
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2001/04/25/liberty/index.html


and

Jewish Israel recruits Egyptian Jews to bomb Western targets in Egypt hoping to pin the blame on Islamic groups:

     
Israel honors 9 Egyptian spies

Israel was at war with Egypt when it hatched a plan in 1954 to ruin its rapprochement with the United States and Britain by firebombing sites frequented by foreigners in Cairo and Alexandria.

But Israeli hopes the attacks...would be blamed on local insurgents collapsed when the young Zionist bombers were caught and confessed at public trials. Two were hanged. The rest served jail terms and emigrated to Israel.

Embarrassed before the West, Israel long denied involvement. It kept mum even after its 1979 peace dealwith Egypt, fearing memories of the debacle could sour ties.

http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3065838,00.html

falah wrote on Sep 14^th, 2011 at 9:11am:



Bvllshit. To you and all the other bearded mosters like you, any jew who wants to keep Israel is extremist. To you the only good jew is a dhimmi jew.