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Reply #15 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 4:41pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 4:37pm:

toots wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 4:20pm:

I'm so sick of judges like this one, pandering to Muslims as though they are a protected species. Incidents like this one just make people hate them even more.

I dont hate muslims, some of them were unfortunate to be born into muslim families they cant help that,the death penalty for apostasy means they cannot leave Islam.
Muslims are the biggest victims of the Islam hoax.

I hate Islam, i dont see a problem with hating an ideology.

Problem is, people do not differentiate between the people and their ideology.

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Re: Muslim let off for shooting policeman
Reply #16 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 5:38pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 9^th, 2011 at 11:44am:

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A muslim terror suspect who wounded a policeman in a gunfight escaped conviction on serious shooting charges after a judge found "anti muslim sentiment " made him fear for his safety.

The judge found the man had a loaded gun down his pants when police approached him,

The crown argued the man deliberately fired upon police to avoid arrest.

The man maintained he did not fire at police but at the horizon in what was intended to be a warning shot so he could flee

Read more here-http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/scared-muslim-let-off-police-sh...

A muslim carries an illegal handgun, fires at police wounding them to avoid arrest and he gets let off?

Ahhh the joys of multiculturalism.....

Hang em and hang em high.

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Reply #17 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 5:40pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 4:37pm:

toots wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 4:20pm:

I'm so sick of judges like this one, pandering to Muslims as though they are a protected species. Incidents like this one just make people hate them even more.

I dont hate muslims, most of them were unfortunate to be born into muslim families they cant help that,the death penalty for apostasy means they cannot leave Islam.
A revert should read the fine print on the exit policy before joining that death cult.
Muslims are the biggest victims of the Islam hoax.

I hate Islam, i dont see a problem with hating an ideology.

Well said, baron.

Accurate, sensible, reasonable, .....all 100% of what you stated above.

Likewise, i don't see a problem with hating an evil, vicious, deceitful, violent, ideology like ISLAM.

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ISLAM is a political philosophy which promotes the use of deception, blatant lying, intimidation and extreme violence to further its own spread and influence.

ISLAM is fascism, pure and simple.

And people who support ISLAM, and moslem [behaviour], are supporters of fascism.

Please, do not believe me....search this information out, for yourself....

Google;

similarity between islam and nazism

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Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil:..

Proverbs 9:6
Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.
7 He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.
8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.

Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

Proverbs 28:4
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

Proverbs 29:27
An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked.

Isaiah 1:16
Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

1 Thessalonians 5:19
Quench not the Spirit.
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Dictionary;

abhorrent = = inspiring disgust and loathing.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #18 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 5:43pm

Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 4:41pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 4:37pm:

toots wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 4:20pm:

I'm so sick of judges like this one, pandering to Muslims as though they are a protected species. Incidents like this one just make people hate them even more.

I dont hate muslims, some of them were unfortunate to be born into muslim families they cant help that,the death penalty for apostasy means they cannot leave Islam.
Muslims are the biggest victims of the Islam hoax.

I hate Islam, i dont see a problem with hating an ideology.

Problem is, people do not differentiate between the people and their ideology.

You are not responsible, for the WILFUL ignorance of other people.

True ?

And neither am i, nor Baron.

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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Deborahmac09 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1619	Re: Muslim let off for shooting policeman Reply #19 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 5:45pm No yadda, we just have to pick up the pieces.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21914 A cat with a view	Re: Muslim let off for shooting policeman Reply #20 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 5:54pm Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 5:45pm: No yadda, we just have to pick up the pieces. Go, to, hell. deb, You make your own choices, about good and evil. And so do i. And for our choices, there are ALWAYS consequences. Always. I am not responsible for your choices.
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Re: Muslim let off for shooting policeman
Reply #21 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 6:05pm

that wasn't even what I was saying.

if you get hit by a car, shall we walk past, because it is not our responsability.
We do not help people because it is our reponsability. We do it because it is right. That is what I mean when i say we just to pick up the pieces.

but you continue to read into it whatever you like.
as for go to hell, anywhere people like you are not, is fine with me.

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Reply #22 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 6:35pm

Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 6:05pm:

that wasn't even what I was saying.

if you get hit by a car, shall we walk past, because it is not our responsability.

No, we shall not.

Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 6:05pm:

We do not help people because it is our reponsability. We do it because it is right. That is what I mean when i say we just to pick up the pieces.

but you continue to read into it whatever you like.
as for go to hell, anywhere people like you are not, is fine with me.

deb,

You need to learn to be a little less ambiguous in your one-line statements.

And how do best we 'help' moslems, and the moslem community ???

By pandering to the stated needs, of moslems themselves, and of the moslem community ???

Dictionary;

pander = =
· v. (pander to) gratify or indulge (an immoral or distasteful desire or habit).
· n.
1 dated a pimp or procurer.
2 archaic a person who panders to the desires of another.

Before we 'help' moslems, and 'accomodate' the moslem community, shouldn't we at least try to 'size up' what ISLAM is about ???

And shouldn't we try to INFORM OURSELVES, as to whether the 'interests' of moslems, are morally sound ???

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Instead of the Australian community, blindly pandering to a group of individuals who identify themselves, as moslems,
shouldn't we critically examine, WHAT BEING A MOSLEM MEANS [in fact] ???

Who is a moslem ???

A moslem is a person who declares;

"I am a moslem. Allah is my God, and Mohammed is his prophet."

Who is a moslem ???

A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy, ISLAM, which teaches moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those who do not believe, as they believe.

deb,

If it is true, that individual, non-radicalised moslems are good people, then why do those 'good' people, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???

Isn't that, a reasonable question to ask ???

IMO, every individual moslem, by associating themselves with ISLAM, are thereby, choosing to associate themselves with the evil, which ISLAM is.

And why is ISLAM clearly a very evil philosophy ???

Because upon examination and scrutiny of ISLAM and its own 'religious' texts, ISLAM is revealed to be a vicious supremacist political philosophy, which promotes the use of deception, blatant lying, intimidation and extreme violence to further its aims.

And imo, it is absurd, and beggars belief, that anyone to claims to be a moslem, is unaware of ISLAM's vicious and violent supremacist nature.

ISLAM, is a culture which they have been brought up in.

A culture which they have been immersed in, all of their lives.

And, ISLAM, is a culture which teaches ALL moslems [from childhood], an enmity, and a 'justified' and 'sanctified' hatred for all non-moslems.

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"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
[i.e. 'Unbelief' is a crime.]

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76
[i.e. Fighting against 'unbelievers' is sanctified, fighting against 'unbelievers' is 'good works'. Because 'unbelievers' [of Allah] are in league with SATAN. So those who are indeed, good moslems will fight against the 'unbelievers'.]

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Muslim let off for shooting policeman
Reply #23 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 6:47pm

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You need to learn to be a little less ambiguous in your one-line statements.

I shall try, ty.

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If it is true, that individual, non-radicalised moslems are good people, then why do those 'good' people, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???

Isn't that, a reasonable question to ask ???

Perhaps it is, and perhaps they hang onto their association with islam, like I hung onto my association with christianity, because it felt safe and I didn't know where I was going. Perhaps they feel something like that.
It takes a lot of guts to move from what is comfortable and move into the unknown.

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Deborahmac09 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1619	Re: Muslim let off for shooting policeman Reply #25 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 8:07pm ewwwwwww it is the god hates amercia mob, who are expanding to god hates the world mob.
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Reply #26 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 8:26pm

Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 6:47pm:

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If it is true, that individual, non-radicalised moslems are good people, then why do those 'good' people, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???

Isn't that, a reasonable question to ask ???

Perhaps it is, and perhaps they hang onto their association with islam, like I hung onto my association with christianity,

....because it felt safe and I didn't know where I was going. Perhaps they feel something like that.

It takes a lot of guts to move from what is comfortable and move into the unknown.

Yadda wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 5:54pm:

deb,

You make your own choices, about good and evil.

And so do i.

And for our choices, there are ALWAYS consequences.

Those who are born into the moslem ummah [the 'community' of all moslems] have been given, by their fate, a unique 'burden',
...the burden to actively choose the good.

Just like other people, moslems can choose good.

OR, moslems can choose evil.

And imo, because moslems are [and remain] moslems, moslems are refusing to choose the good.

That is their choice.

And that is my opinion.

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Isaiah 26:5
For he bringeth down them that dwell on high; the lofty city, he layeth it low; he layeth it low, even to the ground; he bringeth it even to the dust.
6 The foot shall tread it down, even the feet of the poor, and the steps of the needy.
7 The way of the just is uprightness: thou, most upright, dost weigh the path of the just.
8 Yea, in the way of thy judgments, O LORD, have we waited for thee; the desire of our soul is to thy name, and to the remembrance of thee.
9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
10 Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD.
11 LORD, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.

Psalms 5:4
For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Psalms 146:8
The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:i+++

"Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires;
but satan's promises are nothing but deception.
They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape."
Koran 4.120

"Then, on the Day of Judgment,.....Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily Allah knoweth all that ye did;"
Koran 16.27, 28

Even when moslems refuse to choose, they are choosing.

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Reply #27 - Sep 10^th, 2011 at 8:48pm

Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 6:47pm:

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If it is true, that individual, non-radicalised moslems are good people, then why do those 'good' people, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???

Isn't that, a reasonable question to ask ???

Perhaps it is, and perhaps they hang onto their association with islam, like I hung onto my association with christianity,

....because it felt safe and I didn't know where I was going. Perhaps they feel something like that.

It takes a lot of guts to move from what is comfortable and move into the unknown.

The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom is Courage.

Thucydides, Pericles' Funeral Orationi+++

Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Is God unjust to condemn 'the fearful', because 'the fearful' refuse to choose good ???

Is God unjust ?

No.

No.

No.

Why would a just God choose to save 'the fearful' person,
....when 'the fearful' person [because of his fear] refuses to choose good ???

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #29 - Sep 11^th, 2011 at 12:14pm

Deborahmac09 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2011 at 6:47pm:

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If it is true, that individual, non-radicalised moslems are good people, then why do those 'good' people, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???

Isn't that, a reasonable question to ask ???

Perhaps it is, and perhaps they hang onto their association with islam, like I hung onto my association with christianity, because it felt safe and I didn't know where I was going. Perhaps they feel something like that.
It takes a lot of guts to move from what is comfortable and move into the unknown.

The liberal muslims are probably that way because they have not read the Quran or hadiths,How many christians get stuck after about 6/10 of the 10 commandments?

KafirGirl is an ex muslim-
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Friend x,a really good friend of mine ,is a fairly liberal muslim.There's something that's been eating away at her for a few weeks,she wanted to talk to me about it.
Friend x recently read about Mohammad's concubines,and she doesn't really know what to make of this information.
"He's supposed to be the role model for all of us,how the bugger am i supposed to respect him knowing that he had sex slaves?".
How the bugger indeed

It sounds like these liberal muslims get a bit of a shock when they get around to reading the Quran and hadiths!

Could they be ignorant of Islam because they have not read the holy books?

Kafir girl reviews the quran its worth a read she sums it up very well.
http://Kafirgirl.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/wives-part-1/

If you click on "All posts (by Chapter)" it will take you to her review and pick which chapter may interest you.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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