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Sep 15^th, 2011 at 6:25pm

Should Australia support or oppose Palestine's bid to join the UN?

Mid-East shuttle dipomacy ahead of Palestinian UN bid

Senior US and international envoys have begun a fresh round of shuttle diplomacy to try to head off a Palestinian bid for UN membership.

US diplomats Dennis Ross and David Hale, as well as EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton and Middle-East envoy Tony Blair are in the region to try to revive stalled peace talks.

Palestinians are preparing a bid for UN membership later this month.

Israel has warned of "harsh and grave consequences" if the move goes ahead.

Mr Ross and Mr Hale arrived in Israel on Wednesday and held talks with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defence Minister Ehud Barak, the US State Department said.

They were due to travel to the West Bank on Thursday for talks with Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas.

Baroness Ashton also held talks with Mr Netanyahu on Wednesday morning, and announced she was extending her visit for further talks in the evening.

"I hope that in the coming days what we will be able to achieve together will be something that enables the negotiations to start," she said.

Analysts say the 27-member EU could split over the issue of Palestinian statehood if it comes to a vote at the UN, with some states backing the effort and others likely to oppose it.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Wednesday spoke to Mr Blair - who represents the Quartet of international Middle East negotiators - and to Baroness Ashton, state department spokesman Mark Toner said.

"This is part of our intensive effort here to find a way forward," he added.

The last round of peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians broke down a year ago.

Since then, the Palestinians have launched a campaign to join the UN as a full member state with international recognition based on their 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as a capital.

The UN begins its annual General Assembly general debate in New York on 21 September.

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, speaking on Wednesday, warned of dire consequences if the Palestinians went ahead.

"From the moment they pass a unilateral decision there will be harsh and grave consequences," he said.

"I hope that we shall not come to those harsh and grave consequences, and that common sense will prevail in all decisions taken," he added.

Some hardline Israeli politicians have called for Israel to annex sections of the West Bank if the Palestinians go ahead.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14924778

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Reply #2 - Sep 15^th, 2011 at 7:08pm

____ wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 6:25pm:

Should Australia support or oppose Palestine's bid to join the UN?

Since then, the Palestinians have launched a campaign to join the UN as a full member state with international recognition based on their 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as a capital.

Will Palestine follow human rights for all as outlined by the UN documents if allowed in?

Why do we have to get involved with a religious conflict that has been going on for over 1400 years we are not going to solve it while muslims believe Allah hates the jews and they have a religious duty to "itbach el yahud" ( slaughter the jews).

1967 borders-
Egypt controlled Gaza who won it by conquest in an earlier war,they lost it to Israel in 1967.
They say they want to go back to 1967 borders when Gaza was controlled by Egypt?
Gaza was not a part of Palestine in 1967 you dim wits!

The West Bank-
Like Gaza it was not Palestine territory in 1967,Jordan occupied it since they won it by conquest.
The 1967 war saw Israel take the West bank from Jordan so how was that a part of Palestine in 1967 you dim wits?

When the Greens boycott Israel does this mean we cannot buy spare parts for our FA-18 fighters that use Israeli technology for precision weapons?

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Australia's Position On Palestine UN Bid Reply #3 - Sep 15^th, 2011 at 7:11pm Quote: Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, speaking on Wednesday, warned of dire consequences if the Palestinians went ahead. "From the moment they pass a unilateral decision there will be harsh and grave consequences," he said. This makes me so angry I don't want to discuss it.
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salad in Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5941	Re: Australia's Position On Palestine UN Bid Reply #4 - Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:02pm Hamas, which dominates the Palestinian leadership, is classified as a terrorist organisation by some countries, i.e., USA, UK, Canada and others. I can't see the UN putting out the welcome mat for a terrorist organisation.
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Reply #5 - Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:04pm

How can be a member of the United NATIONS if you arent and actual nation? Are the Kurds going to get UN membership, what about the Gypsy Nation? what about UN Membership for the aboriginal nation?

this is ridiculous and further demeans the value of the UN. The UNITED part long ago evaporated and now we want to remove nationhood as a requirement for membership?

I DEMAND UN MEMBERSHIP FOR THE HUTT RIVER PROVINCE!!

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Reply #6 - Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:04pm

salad in wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:02pm:

Hamas, which dominates the Palestinian leadership, is classified as a terrorist organisation by some countries, i.e., USA, UK, Canada and others. I can't see the UN putting out the welcome mat for a terrorist organisation.

the UN has welcomed terrorists and dictators with open arms in the past. nothing new there

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Reply #7 - Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:06pm

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Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, speaking on Wednesday, warned of dire consequences if the Palestinians went ahead.

"From the moment they pass a unilateral decision there will be harsh and grave consequences," he said

This is nothing but blatant sabre rattling. What are Israel going to do? Chuck a tantrem and withdraw from the UN? Lets see them try. If they aren't a member state of the UN, they do not abide by any UN sanctions. Lets see the U.S defend that.

As far as Australia is concerned, I would hope we would stay well out of it and instead focus on gaining our seat on the Security Council.

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Reply #8 - Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:19pm

GoddyofOz wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:06pm:

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Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, speaking on Wednesday, warned of dire consequences if the Palestinians went ahead.

"From the moment they pass a unilateral decision there will be harsh and grave consequences," he said

This is nothing but blatant sabre rattling. What are Israel going to do? Chuck a tantrem and withdraw from the UN? Lets see them try. If they aren't a member state of the UN, they do not abide by any UN sanctions. Lets see the U.S defend that.

As far as Australia is concerned, I would hope we would stay well out of it and instead focus on gaining our seat on the Security Council.

to achieve what exactly? so we have the same voting power of Yemen?? Which by teh way is NIL since the veto power is used more often than not. and if by some miracle the security council actually passes a motion it is usually ignored anyhow - often by its own members. and if the UN wants their decisions enforced, who do they ask for help? the same countries they spend the rest of the time criticising.

I cant think of a more expensive, less effective role for an australian diplomat anywhere. beyond pointless!

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Reply #9 - Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:19pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:04pm:

How can be a member of the United NATIONS if you arent and actual nation? Are the Kurds going to get UN membership, what about the Gypsy Nation? what about UN Membership for the aboriginal nation?

this is ridiculous and further demeans the value of the UN. The UNITED part long ago evaporated and now we want to remove nationhood as a requirement for membership?

I DEMAND UN MEMBERSHIP FOR THE HUTT RIVER PROVINCE!!

Is the Vatican a nation?

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Reply #10 - Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:19pm:

GoddyofOz wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:06pm:

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Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, speaking on Wednesday, warned of dire consequences if the Palestinians went ahead.

"From the moment they pass a unilateral decision there will be harsh and grave consequences," he said

This is nothing but blatant sabre rattling. What are Israel going to do? Chuck a tantrem and withdraw from the UN? Lets see them try. If they aren't a member state of the UN, they do not abide by any UN sanctions. Lets see the U.S defend that.

As far as Australia is concerned, I would hope we would stay well out of it and instead focus on gaining our seat on the Security Council.

to achieve what exactly? so we have the same voting power of Yemen?? Which by teh way is NIL since the veto power is used more often than not. and if by some miracle the security council actually passes a motion it is usually ignored anyhow - often by its own members. and if the UN wants their decisions enforced, who do they ask for help? the same countries they spend the rest of the time criticising.

I cant think of a more expensive, less effective role for an australian diplomat anywhere. beyond pointless!

Regardless of your personal opinion of the UN, as long as they exist, any voice of authority is better then none at all.

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Reply #11 - Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:04pm:

salad in wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:02pm:

Hamas, which dominates the Palestinian leadership, is classified as a terrorist organisation by some countries, i.e., USA, UK, Canada and others. I can't see the UN putting out the welcome mat for a terrorist organisation.

the UN has welcomed terrorists and dictators with open arms in the past. nothing new there

So a democratically elected government is a terrorist organisation.

meanwhile the Afghanistan government was elected fraudulently ... and is in power sharing talks with the Taliban. A group Australia perceives to be linked with Al Qaeda, a supposed terrorist organisation. Yet Australia backs with troops.

So who are terrorists again?

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Reply #13 - Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:26pm

GoddyofOz wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:06pm:

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Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, speaking on Wednesday, warned of dire consequences if the Palestinians went ahead.

"From the moment they pass a unilateral decision there will be harsh and grave consequences," he said

This is nothing but blatant sabre rattling. What are Israel going to do? Chuck a tantrem and withdraw from the UN? Lets see them try. If they aren't a member state of the UN, they do not abide by any UN sanctions. Lets see the U.S defend that.

As far as Australia is concerned, I would hope we would stay well out of it and instead focus on gaining our seat on the Security Council.

if a seat is your aim then what is the advantage of going against the Arab Nations and either abstain or oppose UN membership for Palestine?

By opposing, wave good bye to any chance of that non permanent seat.

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Australia's Position On Palestine UN Bid Reply #14 - Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:28pm Belgarion wrote on Sep 15^th, 2011 at 8:26pm: Lets give the Palestinians our place and we can withdraw from the whole ridiculous circus. Don't say that, otherwise the hard right will see this as a way out of the 1951 UN convention on refugees.
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