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Re: Gillard: my incompetence is Abbott's fault
Reply #45 - Sep 21^st, 2011 at 2:36pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 1:30pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 9:40am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 6:54am:

Luke Fowler wrote on Sep 20^th, 2011 at 9:20pm:

I think it is marvellous that Abbott and Gillard's ridiculous race to the bottom on asylum seekers, and their desperate attempts to play politics over the issue, will actually lead to the end of off-shore processing for a long time to come.

If the Liberals don't support the Labor amendments while they are in opposition, they sure as hell won't get their own amendments passed through when they are in Government. The Greens won't be supporting the legislation and its highly likely they will still have the balance of power in the Senate come 2013.

The two majors cut off their noses to spite their face and we get onshore processing for at least another electoral cycle.

Every cloud does have a silver lining.

Will you also think it wonderful when a few more boats are lost at sea with all hands, or more boats end up on the rocks at Christmas Island?
Some silver lining that is.

Funny, when Siev X happened it was
"take the risk suffer the consequences"
Now it's all "think of the children"
FFS
Hypocrisy thy name is Liberal

Oh smithy, they are the new gay lesbian whale family friendly party.
Cmon, we can change.

Well, maybe not this week. Undecided

But I think we can all agree that a few more episodes of smugglers boats being smashed to pieces on the rocks with a bloodsucking media showing live video of woman and children drowning right on our screens is bad for business. Cry

"If it bleeds it leads"

Surely you have become numb to it all chook.
The more the better, hopefully there will be some hungry white pointers around next time.

A bit off topic but has anyone else noticed how front bottom has become the new black.
No longer are we shocked to hear bugger so now the normalisation of that word begins, creeping into soundbites, comedic routines & songs.

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Re: Gillard: my incompetence is Abbott's fault
Reply #46 - Sep 21^st, 2011 at 2:42pm

A bit off topic but has anyone else noticed how front bottom has become the new black.
No longer are we shocked to hear bugger so now the normalisation of that word begins, creeping into soundbites, comedic routines & songs.

I read last week that one of the trendy female singers ATM, Rhianna maybe? was walking around with a necklace with the word qunt on it.

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Re: Gillard: my incompetence is Abbott's fault
Reply #48 - Sep 21^st, 2011 at 2:46pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 2:30pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 1:30pm:

but dsmithy

you've not expressed any comment about ILLEGALS

Because I believe everyone has the right to seek asylum.

Of course - so do the LIBs. But how do you determine their claims and why can't we choose where we process them. Why should they dictate to us where processing should take place? Processing is processing after all. Why insist on on-shore processing if they are genuine?

Therefore they only become "illegal" after processing & found to be non genuine refugee's.

Thats where you are wrong. They are illegal and remain illegal if not genuine. If found to be genuine then the law is retrospective to the date they arrive as a genuine refugee

However if you wish to discuss true "illegals" i.e the visa overstayers who come via plane, well we need more immgration officer's to hunt them down & deport them on the NPO (next plane out) There are different reasons why someone becomes "illegal" - one of it is overstaying a VISA but the other one is to enter another country without a VISA

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Re: Gillard: my incompetence is Abbott's fault
Reply #49 - Sep 21^st, 2011 at 2:48pm

skippy. wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 2:42pm:

A bit off topic but has anyone else noticed how front bottom has become the new black.
No longer are we shocked to hear bugger so now the normalisation of that word begins, creeping into soundbites, comedic routines & songs.

I read last week that one of the trendy female singers ATM, Rhianna maybe? was walking around with a necklace with the word qunt on it.

more evidence that the human species is not evolving, but devolving.

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Re: Gillard: my incompetence is Abbott's fault
Reply #50 - Sep 21^st, 2011 at 3:00pm

Maqqa wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 2:46pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 2:30pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 1:30pm:

but dsmithy

you've not expressed any comment about ILLEGALS

Because I believe everyone has the right to seek asylum.

Of course - so do the LIBs. But how do you determine their claims and why can't we choose where we process them. Why should they dictate to us where processing should take place? Processing is processing after all. Why insist on on-shore processing if they are genuine?

Therefore they only become "illegal" after processing & found to be non genuine refugee's.

Thats where you are wrong. They are illegal and remain illegal if not genuine. If found to be genuine then the law is retrospective to the date they arrive as a genuine refugee

However if you wish to discuss true "illegals" i.e the visa overstayers who come via plane, well we need more immgration officer's to hunt them down & deport them on the NPO (next plane out) There are different reasons why someone becomes "illegal" - one of it is overstaying a VISA but the other one is to enter another country without a VISA

You know what I'm going to do Maqqa.
I'm going to say that whatever system FRASER had in place worked a treat.
We had as many if not more boat arrivals & everything seemed fine.
Go back to what the Libs were doing in 76

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Re: Gillard: my incompetence is Abbott's fault
Reply #51 - Sep 21^st, 2011 at 3:27pm

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 10:33am:

Pre 2007 policy that worked = Nauru + TPVs.

Easy fixed.

The Malaysia option has no merit. Why support it?

You guys should be smarter than this dribble.

The Nauru solution working supposidly and the Libs have been saying that for the exact same reasons the Malaysia method would not work - have you been smoking anythng nasty.

Today is not 2007 - the Nauru solution led to settlment in the end mostly in Australia or comparable, this makes Nauru no longer a deterant as going back to the start of your queue would be.

The new method would work - the old one is past its use by date and would no longer be effective at all.

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Reply #52 - Sep 21^st, 2011 at 4:36pm

opps,
THE federal opposition has had to contacted senior Malaysian officials to address growing concerns in Kuala Lumpur over Tony Abbott's portrayal of the nation during the offshore processing debate.

It is understood Malaysia is deeply offended at the Opposition Leader's depiction of the country, believing he had portrayed it as a "repressive regime practising an extreme version of Shariah law" with respect to its treatment of refugees.

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Re: Gillard: my incompetence is Abbott's fault
Reply #53 - Sep 21^st, 2011 at 5:05pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 3:27pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 10:33am:

Pre 2007 policy that worked = Nauru + TPVs.

Easy fixed.

The Malaysia option has no merit. Why support it?

You guys should be smarter than this dribble.

The Nauru solution working supposidly and the Libs have been saying that for the exact same reasons the Malaysia method would not work - have you been smoking anythng nasty.

Today is not 2007 - the Nauru solution led to settlment in the end mostly in Australia or comparable, this makes Nauru no longer a deterant as going back to the start of your queue would be.

The new method would work - the old one is past its use by date and would no longer be effective at all.

70% (?) of those sent to NAURU ended up in Australia.
500% of those sent to Malaysia will end up in Australia - we get 4000 for 800 sent there.

This is an improvement only in the minds (if that's the word I want) of Julia's supporters.

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Re: Gillard: my incompetence is Abbott's fault
Reply #54 - Sep 21^st, 2011 at 5:14pm

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 5:05pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 3:27pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 10:33am:

Pre 2007 policy that worked = Nauru + TPVs.

Easy fixed.

The Malaysia option has no merit. Why support it?

You guys should be smarter than this dribble.

The Nauru solution working supposidly and the Libs have been saying that for the exact same reasons the Malaysia method would not work - have you been smoking anythng nasty.

Today is not 2007 - the Nauru solution led to settlment in the end mostly in Australia or comparable, this makes Nauru no longer a deterant as going back to the start of your queue would be.

The new method would work - the old one is past its use by date and would no longer be effective at all.

70% (?) of those sent to NAURU ended up in Australia.
500% of those sent to Malaysia will end up in Australia - we get 4000 for 800 sent there.

This is an improvement only in the minds (if that's the word I want) of Julia's supporters.

Well you just blown it for some.
Apparently it wasn't about refugee's per se but how they arrived and whether they were genuine or not, "taking the place of those waiting their turn" I've heard more than once.
The 1 & the only good thing about Malaysia was the fact we were taking 4000 GENUINE REFUGEE'S FROM THE CAMP WHERE THEY HAVE WAITED THEIR TURN replacing 800 unknowns
But now you want to make it about numbers, apparently 4000 is now too many for you.
At least Andrei is upfront & honest about his bigotry.
Free yourself Soren & just say brown people with funny eyes & head wear suck & are not welcome Cool

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14213 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Abbott: ... my impotence is GILLARD's fault Reply #55 - Sep 21^st, 2011 at 5:49pm ... well it IS !!
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Re: Gillard: my incompetence is Abbott's fault
Reply #56 - Sep 21^st, 2011 at 6:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 3:27pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 10:33am:

Pre 2007 policy that worked = Nauru + TPVs.

Easy fixed.

The Malaysia option has no merit. Why support it?

You guys should be smarter than this dribble.

The Nauru solution working supposidly and the Libs have been saying that for the exact same reasons the Malaysia method would not work - have you been smoking anythng nasty.

Today is not 2007 - the Nauru solution led to settlment in the end mostly in Australia or comparable, this makes Nauru no longer a deterant as going back to the start of your queue would be.

The new method would work - the old one is past its use by date and would no longer be effective at all.

Please tell us the why

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Re: Gillard: my incompetence is Abbott's fault
Reply #57 - Sep 21^st, 2011 at 6:09pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 3:00pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 2:46pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 2:30pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 1:30pm:

but dsmithy

you've not expressed any comment about ILLEGALS

Because I believe everyone has the right to seek asylum.

Of course - so do the LIBs. But how do you determine their claims and why can't we choose where we process them. Why should they dictate to us where processing should take place? Processing is processing after all. Why insist on on-shore processing if they are genuine?

Therefore they only become "illegal" after processing & found to be non genuine refugee's.

Thats where you are wrong. They are illegal and remain illegal if not genuine. If found to be genuine then the law is retrospective to the date they arrive as a genuine refugee

However if you wish to discuss true "illegals" i.e the visa overstayers who come via plane, well we need more immgration officer's to hunt them down & deport them on the NPO (next plane out) There are different reasons why someone becomes "illegal" - one of it is overstaying a VISA but the other one is to enter another country without a VISA

You know what I'm going to do Maqqa.
I'm going to say that whatever system FRASER had in place worked a treat.
We had as many if not more boat arrivals & everything seemed fine.
Go back to what the Libs were doing in 76

Why go back to Fraser when it was Keating that started this whole thing?

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Re: Gillard: my incompetence is Abbott's fault
Reply #58 - Sep 21^st, 2011 at 8:31pm

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 5:05pm:

70% (?) of those sent to NAURU ended up in Australia.
500% of those sent to Malaysia will end up in Australia - we get 4000 for 800 sent there.

This is an improvement only in the minds (if that's the word I want) of Julia's supporters.

Apparently we will accept the 4,000 anyway so it looks like effectively 800 for free.

No this is no improvement it is every bit as much of a disgrace as the Howard rubbish.

Just that to see old Blowing in the wind Abbott shouting out stop the boats but at the same time blocking the legislation which he suggested and promised to support which would stop the boats is hilarious, dishonest and hypercritical.

Also very funny that on other topics you guys are with the chorus in stop the refugees /illegal’s/boats etc and then you cone on here and support allowing the boats to continue coming to Australia.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59374 Here Gender:	Re: Gillard: my incompetence is Abbott's fault Reply #59 - Sep 21^st, 2011 at 8:36pm Maqqa wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 6:09pm: Why go back to Fraser when it was Keating that started this whole thing? I think he was being genuine in saying that Fraser managed this issue well - you are right it was Keating who started the stuff up, though only in a very mild way compared to Howard.
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