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Reply #60 - Sep 21^st, 2011 at 9:55pm

Maqqa wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 6:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 3:00pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 2:46pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 2:30pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 1:30pm:

but dsmithy

you've not expressed any comment about ILLEGALS

Because I believe everyone has the right to seek asylum.

Of course - so do the LIBs. But how do you determine their claims and why can't we choose where we process them. Why should they dictate to us where processing should take place? Processing is processing after all. Why insist on on-shore processing if they are genuine?

Therefore they only become "illegal" after processing & found to be non genuine refugee's.

Thats where you are wrong. They are illegal and remain illegal if not genuine. If found to be genuine then the law is retrospective to the date they arrive as a genuine refugee

However if you wish to discuss true "illegals" i.e the visa overstayers who come via plane, well we need more immgration officer's to hunt them down & deport them on the NPO (next plane out) There are different reasons why someone becomes "illegal" - one of it is overstaying a VISA but the other one is to enter another country without a VISA

You know what I'm going to do Maqqa.
I'm going to say that whatever system FRASER had in place worked a treat.
We had as many if not more boat arrivals & everything seemed fine.
Go back to what the Libs were doing in 76

Why go back to Fraser when it was Keating that started this whole thing?

Thats right Keating changed the system and put us on the path we find ourselves now on.
That's why I said Fraser.

REBELLION is not what most people think it is.
REBELLION is when you turn off the TV & start educating & thinking for yourself.
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Re: Gillard: my incompetence is Abbott's fault
Reply #61 - Sep 21^st, 2011 at 10:28pm

Maqqa wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 6:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 3:27pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 21^st, 2011 at 10:33am:

Pre 2007 policy that worked = Nauru + TPVs.

Easy fixed.

The Malaysia option has no merit. Why support it?

You guys should be smarter than this dribble.

The Nauru solution working supposidly and the Libs have been saying that for the exact same reasons the Malaysia method would not work - have you been smoking anythng nasty.

Today is not 2007 - the Nauru solution led to settlment in the end mostly in Australia or comparable, this makes Nauru no longer a deterant as going back to the start of your queue would be.

The new method would work - the old one is past its use by date and would no longer be effective at all.

Please tell us the why

The first Liberal argument for the Labor plan to not work was that with 800 vacancies the smugglers would quickly fill the prison up and we would be back to square 1.

Capacity of Nauru = 800. It is obvious that if the Labor plan was going to fail for this reason - Nauru would not have worked either for the same reason.

i.e 800 = 800

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Gillard: my incompetence is Abbott's fault Reply #62 - Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 4:06pm Ah well, it's too hard, then, let anybody and everybody in. Wishing to have an orderly immigration program is obviously too racists and so it is not what foreigners want so we might as well do what they want. I hope this is inclusive enough for ya.
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