Yadda wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2011 at 12:07pm:


You are hilarious Yadda.

Are the Israelis that are invading Palestine Muslim or Jewish?

Are the NATO forces that are invading Afghanistan Muslim or Christian?

The invaders of Iraq, Muslim or Christian?

Suggest you and Soren both get some professional help for your delusions.

falah wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2011 at 12:12pm:



Muslims invaded and subjugated all poreviously non-Msulim lands from Spain to India.

Mebbe they should be asked to return to Araby.

falah wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2011 at 1:25pm:


falah,

Threatening....

1/
"Become a moslem, or,
2/
become a slave of moslems, or,
3/
we will kill you."

,
.....isn't offering people a free choice.....to become moslems.



Moslems are taught by ISLAM that it is 'righteous' to fight and enslave or murder people who are non-moslems.

That is ISLAMIC doctrine, it is taught in the Koran.

Unbelief in itself, is a crime against Allah.




"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
COMMENT; Promoting to moslems that 'unbelief' in Allah, is a crime.


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29
COMMENT; The Koran is exhorting moslems to violence against non-moslems. i.e. FOR THEIR UNBELIEF.
Because, 'unbelief' in Allah, is a crime.


Moslems also will say this, outright....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4







falah wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2011 at 1:25pm:



If Indonesians freely chose [past tense], and freely choose, to embrace ISLAM, then on their heads be it!

falah wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2011 at 1:57pm:


Some people have ethical boundaries they will not cross.

You can tell that the Christians population in Egypt have ethical boundaries they will not cross, because they are being persecuted and murdered by the moslem majority of that country.




falah wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2011 at 1:57pm:


I thought that Lebanon was now called Hezbolla-stan ???





falah wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2011 at 1:57pm:


How can the 'Palestinian' Christian population be genuinely pro-'Palestinian', when they are not permitted [by moslems] to openly practice their religion ?

Christians in Palestinian authority areas are not allowed to practice religion, except as how moslems allow them.

Moslem slaves are not allowed to criticise their masters.

If they do, the moslems have the 'sanction' from their 'religion' to murder them.

How can people existing under such circumstances freely express themselves ?

They cannot.








falah wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2011 at 1:57pm:


Saddam was a secularist, not an ISLAMIST.






falah wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2011 at 1:57pm:


There is a small number of Jewish people living in Iran.

Probably many of them would love to leave Iran.

But even if there are 10,000 Jewish people living in Iran, are they really tolerated by the Iranian ISLAMIST regime, if those Jewish people living in Iran are not permitted to openly practice their religion ???

Google;





The single, Jewish member of parliament in Iran said....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Motamed

falah wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2011 at 1:25pm:



Really? Do you have any example of a Christian or Jewish or Hindu or any other town or municipality or kingdom asking the Muslims to come not only to fight for them like mercenaries BUT TO STAY AND MAKE ISLAM THE NEW RELIGION?

Soren wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 10:52pm:



In truth, the Muslims guaranteed freedom of religion.


Here is the example of Christian Jerusalem surrendering to the Muslims after having requested the leader of the Muslims personally negotiate the treaty, so that they could ascertain if he was the man described in their prophesises as the one whom Jeruasalem could not defeat.


In 637, after a prolonged siege of Jerusalem, the Muslims took the city. Umar was given the key to the city by the Christian Patriarch, Sophronius, who surrendered the city on terms that no one be harmed. Heraclius, the Byzantine Emperor, had fled.


Umar entered Jerusalem in humility, walking in while not he, the Caliph, but his servant comfortably riding on a camel; they had been taking turns walking and riding.



The peace treaty he signed read as follows:



"This is a peace document which the , written by the servant of God, Umar - Commander of the Believers, to the people of Jerusalem. Peace is given to one and all in Jerusalem; peace of life and property, and peace to their church.

Their churches shall not be occupied, demolished nor taken away wholly or in part. None of their crosses nor property shall be seized. They shall not be coerced in their religion. (And as stipulated by the Christians) None of the Jews shall reside with them in Jerusalem.

The people of Jerusalem shall pay Jizia tax (head tax on free non-Muslims living under Muslim rule) as inhabitants of cities do. They shall evict all byzantines and thieves.

He whoever gets out shall be guaranteed safety for his life and property until he reach his safe haven. He whoever stays shall be (also) safe, in which case he shall pay as much tax as the people of Jerusalem do. Should any of the people of Jerusalem wish to move together with his property along with the Byzantines and to clear out of their churches and crosses, they shall be safe for their lives, churches and crosses, until they have reached then safe haven. He whoever chooses to stay he may do so and he shall pay as much tax as the people of Jerusalem do. He whoever wishes to move along with the Byzantine, may do so, and whoever wishes to return back home to his kinsfolk, may do so. Nothing shall be taken from them, their crops have been harvested. To the contents of this convent here are given the Covenant of God, the guarantees of His Prophet, the Caliphs and the Believers, provided they (the people of Jerusalem) pay their due Jizia tax.

Witnesses hereto are:

Khalid Ibn al-Waleed, Amr Ibn al-Ass, Abdul-Rahman Ibn'Auf, Mu'awiya Ibn abi-Sifian. Made and executed in the year 15 AH(637 CE)."



While the Patriarch was dressed in sumptuous robes, Umar, who was 'contemptuous of finery' wore his travel-stained battle tunic (Makiya 2001: 85). Makiya describes a conversation between Sophronious and Umar on the question of dress. Umar challenges Sophronious, saying that God does not 'demand extravagance' to which the Patriarch replies that he is 'his office.' He does not wear finery to adorn himself but to 'check the confusion and anarchy in the world'.

Later, Umar was invited to pray at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre but chose to pray some distance from the Church, saying that he was afraid that in the future Muslims could use this as an excuse to take over the church to build a mosque. The Christians gave the key of the church to Muslims to be responsible for its safety. This key is still with the Muslims today as a sign and symbol of the mutual trust.



An earlier treaty made between the commander of the Muslim army and the Christian city of Damascus:



"Khalid bin Walid has made concessions for the people of Damascus that they will be granted peace on the entry of the Islamic army into Damascus and their lives, properties and churches would remain safe and intact. Moreover, neither fortifications of the city nor the houses will be demolished nor any member of the Islamic force will be allowed to reside in any house. The Muslims and their Caliph will practice nothing but good to the people of Damascus while they keep paying the jiziyah (tax)."



This treaty was honoured by The Muslims.

falah wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:11am:



I think we should introduce such a tax on non-Enlightenened people like Muslims.  As long as they pay we would honour the agreement that they should pay.  Ingenious.