An old thread on this topic:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1222521579

Here is an interesting argument made by Abu - rather than simply giving the same punishment (death by stoning) for apostasy and treason, Abu actually thinks that apostasy and treason are the same thing. That is, if you change your mind about religion, that is treason, despite the fact that Islam supposedly tolerates non-Muslims within that nation.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 26^th, 2012 at 8:28pm:


This leads to the obvious question, does believing something make it true? For example, if I believed that rejecting my religion is the same as having sex with dogs, does that mean that people are actually comitting bestiality by rejecting my religion? Or does it just mean that I am confused?

Why is Abu's argument about treason any different?

Another interesting argument:

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 26^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:


If it is so rock solid, why the need for the death penalty? Surely the death penalty is the exact opposite - proof that the religion is on shaky ground and cannot survive without some kind of coercion. If it really was so rock solid, Islam would be genuine about 'no compulsion in religion' rather than the hypocritical lip service it gives the concept.

It effectively creates a faith ratchet. People can convert to Islam, but then they are stuck forever. Apparently their offspring are too, though Abu has been pretty shy about clarifying this. This obviously played a big part in the spread of the empire as it is a pretty good way of gluing a society together - killing anyone who does not adopt the nation with religious devotion. It is why the nation could not adapt in the same way other empires (eg the British and its offspring) have. The only way out was complete collapse. The modern middle east is the waste that was left behind, and no-one can figure out what to do with it.

If you don't believe me, ask Abu whether Shites are apostates, and you will get an idea of the mess that Islam left behind.

falah wrote on Feb 17^th, 2012 at 5:37pm:


If a Muslim rejects Islam and other Muslims threaten to stone him to death if he does not revert back to Islam, does that count as forcing, or would you consider that 'gentle encouragement'?

And if they don't?

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 12:42pm:

Then its treason and death.

Abu do you think Shites are apostates?

Quote:


So Abu would like to kill people who were brought up/brainwashed into Islam
& then reject it when they realise it's nonsense.


Abu - all religion is nonsense.
Religion is dangerous & will destroy the whole world - if we let it.
There is no heaven or hell.
It's a dogma taught to  kids when they are young.

Remember the Inquisition?
600 years of unspeakable torture.

We have grown up in the west but you haven't.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 10:44pm:


The Muslims are going through what the christians did 600 years ago. Maybe in 600 years time they will finally realise that they had been hoodwinked by professional scammers