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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49371 At my desk.	Re: Abu and Les deflecting death for apostasy Reply #60 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 8:37am It seems to work on some people: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 6:19am: Quote: Abu wants the death penalty for apostasy. He says he doesnt. Why cant you accept what he says?
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Re: Abu and Les deflecting death for apostasy
Reply #61 - Aug 9^th, 2012 at 5:17pm

freediver wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 8:37am:

It seems to work on some people:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 6:19am:

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Abu wants the death penalty for apostasy.

He says he doesnt. Why cant you accept what he says?

They chop your head off for apostasy in Saudi Arabia,they hang you in Iran

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/811/apostasy

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Reply #62 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 5:36am

Well not in australia. humans are arseholes. They will use violence anytime they can. In some countries theres no control and psychos can do whatever they like in the name of thier religion or anything else. You know there are other countries with problems.

Top 6 The Most Severe Human Rights Violations Around the World

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Top-6-The-Most-Severe-Human-Right-Violations-Arou...

Those are not all muslim countries. Also i bet every one of them uses their religion as an excuse. What can we do? Should we invade all these countries and kill ppl for their own good? We (the west) are just as bad but we kill others rather than ourselves.

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Reply #63 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 8:29am

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Those are not all muslim countries. Also i bet every one of them uses their religion as an excuse. What can we do?

Apparently you think we should delude ourselves into thinking those religious extremists are actually mainstream people who want freedom and democracy, so that you can continue with your meaningless generalisations about all religions being equal.

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Re: Abu and Les deflecting death for apostasy
Reply #64 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 8:30am

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 6:12am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2012 at 12:43am:

Your treason argument is a strawman fallacy.

No it is not. The text which deals with capital punishment for apostasy makes it clear it's about committing treason against the nation/community.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 6:12am:

I am a Muslim, not a moderate nor an extremist, I reject both of these labels. Islamic law does indeed mandate capital punishment for a treasonous apostate

Abu that is a bit misleading (at best) don't you think? You also appear to think that apostasy is treason. For example the gay people you said would be stoned to death for apostasy in the quotes above are obviously not committing treason by the common meaning of the word - only by the alternate reality of Islam in which apostasy is treason by definition.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 6:12am:

but as an individual that law places no obligation whatsoever upon me. Just as America's capital punishments for certain kinds of robberies does not mandate that each individual American is responsible for implementing said punishment from their own judgement.

Again, that is a bit misleading (at best) don't you think? It is a bit like your claim that Islam proscribes jobs as state executioner rather than making it a family outing where everyone is encouraged to join in. Can you explain how Islam proscribes the execution of the death penalty? Would you actually participate, or would you run and hide when faced with the reality of how brutal your beliefs are?

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Reply #65 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 9:32am

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 8:29am:

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Those are not all muslim countries. Also i bet every one of them uses their religion as an excuse. What can we do?

Apparently you think we should delude ourselves into thinking those religious extremists are actually mainstream people who want freedom and democracy, so that you can continue with your meaningless generalisations about all religions being equal.

What? Geez

equally absurd. . . .

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Reply #66 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 9:32am

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 8:29am:

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Those are not all muslim countries. Also i bet every one of them uses their religion as an excuse. What can we do?

Apparently you think we should delude ourselves into thinking those religious extremists are actually mainstream people who want freedom and democracy, so that you can continue with your meaningless generalisations about all religions being equal.

What? Geez

equally absurd. . . .

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Reply #67 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 12:27pm

You have certainly deluded yourself when it comes to Abu. You refused to believe it when he said outright that he wants these things. Then when you saw him post his silly deflections where he refused to even discuss what he wants on the grounds that he is impotent to achieve it, you took this to mean that he does not actually want it.

Who is to say that all the generalisations you like to make are not merely an accumulation of many of these convenient little self delusions?

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Reply #68 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 2:13pm

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 12:27pm:

You have certainly deluded yourself when it comes to Abu. You refused to believe it when he said outright that he wants these things. Then when you saw him post his silly deflections where he refused to even discuss what he wants on the grounds that he is impotent to achieve it, you took this to mean that he does not actually want it.

Who is to say that all the generalisations you like to make are not merely an accumulation of many of these convenient little self delusions?

Go back and look @ the posts. He said he did not want to kill anyone.

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Reply #69 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 6:17pm

Think about it spot. He openly admits to supporting the death penalty for apostasy. He claims this is irrelevant unless he gets a job as the executioner. But tell me, if it was your head on the chopping block, would it matter to you whether Abu was wielding the axe or merely cheering from the sidelines? Even that is being generous to Abu, as he also believes that stoning someone to death is a community event that everyone should be encouraged to participate in, to make it as slow and painful as possible for the victim.

Why are you parroting his idiotic deflections? Can you really not tell the difference between supporting the death penalty for apostasy and personally wielding the axe? Or do you simply not care, despite your claims to oppose this crap?

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Reply #70 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 6:34pm

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

Think about it spot. He openly admits to supporting the death penalty for apostasy. He claims this is irrelevant unless he gets a job as the executioner. But tell me, if it was your head on the chopping block, would it matter to you whether Abu was wielding the axe or merely cheering from the sidelines? Even that is being generous to Abu, as he also believes that stoning someone to death is a community event that everyone should be encouraged to participate in, to make it as slow and painful as possible for the victim.

Why are you parroting his idiotic deflections? Can you really not tell the difference between supporting the death penalty for apostasy and personally wielding the axe? Or do you simply not care, despite your claims to oppose this crap?

Quit being such a dick freediver. Its not my job to friggin defend abu. You have problems with him you have it out with him and ill correct you every time you say mainstream muslims are terrorists.

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Reply #71 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 6:42pm

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

Think about it spot. He openly admits to supporting the death penalty for apostasy. He claims this is irrelevant unless he gets a job as the executioner. But tell me, if it was your head on the chopping block, would it matter to you whether Abu was wielding the axe or merely cheering from the sidelines? Even that is being generous to Abu, as he also believes that stoning someone to death is a community event that everyone should be encouraged to participate in, to make it as slow and painful as possible for the victim.

Why are you parroting his idiotic deflections? Can you really not tell the difference between supporting the death penalty for apostasy and personally wielding the axe? Or do you simply not care, despite your claims to oppose this crap?

I could understand you if you were just as outraged by similar things done or supported by your own people.. untill that its hard to take your criticisms seriously even if they are right.. stop thinking who and start thinking what

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Reply #72 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 6:45pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 6:34pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

Think about it spot. He openly admits to supporting the death penalty for apostasy. He claims this is irrelevant unless he gets a job as the executioner. But tell me, if it was your head on the chopping block, would it matter to you whether Abu was wielding the axe or merely cheering from the sidelines? Even that is being generous to Abu, as he also believes that stoning someone to death is a community event that everyone should be encouraged to participate in, to make it as slow and painful as possible for the victim.

Why are you parroting his idiotic deflections? Can you really not tell the difference between supporting the death penalty for apostasy and personally wielding the axe? Or do you simply not care, despite your claims to oppose this crap?

Quit being such a dick freediver. Its not my job to friggin defend abu. You have problems with him you have it out with him and ill correct you every time you say mainstream muslims are terrorists.

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I have never actually said that Spot. That hasn't stopped you butting in at every opportunity. I am not asking you to defend him. I am asking you to be honest about what he wants rather than constantly lying about it.

I think we will have to start with something very simple for you: do you concede that Abu wants the death penalty for apostasy? I can quote him for you if you are unsure.

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I could understand you if you were just as outraged by similar things done or supported by your own people..

Who exactly are 'my people' and when did they stone someone to death? Abu supports the death penalty for apostasy. I don't. Let Abu answer for his beliefs and let me answer for mine.

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Reply #73 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 6:59pm

I am not 'being a dick' spot. I am trying to explain some incredibly simple concepts to you. For some reason, despite explaining them 100 times, you are still oblivious to them. The most obvious one is the difference between what someone wants and what they are capable of achieving. Either you are incapable of understanding the difference, or for some reason you are deliberately lying about what Abu wants. He wants the death penalty for apostasy. He wants Shariah law for Australia. He wants to destroy democracy. He wants to deny people basic freedom and human rights. But for some reason all he has to do is point out that he is incapable of achieving these changes and you jump up and down like a lapdog telling everyone that he does not even want it. Why is it so hard for you to understand? Or do you not want to understand?

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Reply #74 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 7:08pm

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Who exactly are 'my people' and when did they stone someone to death? Abu supports the death penalty for apostasy. I don't. Let Abu answer for his beliefs and let me answer for mine

If thats the best response you have then dont expect free thinking people to take you seriously Quote:

He wants to destroy democracy.

You are the one destroying democracy by attacking for expressing his beliefs Quote:

human rights.

when did you start giving a crap about them???

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