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Reply #75 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 7:34pm

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If thats the best response you have then dont expect free thinking people to take you seriously

It was not a response so much as a 'WTF are you on about'?

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You are the one destroying democracy by attacking for expressing his beliefs

So democracy is all about people not being criticised for wanting the death penalty for apostasy?

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when did you start giving a crap about them?

I had previously taken it for granted that most people support them, so they barely entered discussion. Abu and a succession of other Muslims changed all that. Then we had spot follow this up by pretending it's fine to oppose human rights so long as you are not going to overthrow the government tomorrow.

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Re: Abu and Les deflecting death for apostasy
Reply #76 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 8:00pm

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 7:34pm:

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If thats the best response you have then dont expect free thinking people to take you seriously

It was not a response so much as a 'WTF are you on about'?

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You are the one destroying democracy by attacking for expressing his beliefs

So democracy is all about people not being criticised for wanting the death penalty for apostasy?

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when did you start giving a crap about them?

I had previously taken it for granted that most people support them, so they barely entered discussion. Abu and a succession of other Muslims changed all that. Then we had spot follow this up by pretending it's fine to oppose human rights so long as you are not going to overthrow the government tomorrow.

You know what I am on about and I dont care how long you pretend you dont hypocrite cause it only shows im right.
Democracy is about people being able to have their own opinions
Except human rights are not interchangable like the ones you pretend to believe in fd

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Reply #77 - Aug 10^th, 2012 at 8:13pm

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You know what I am on about and I dont care how long you pretend you dont hypocrite cause it only shows im right.

You are not making anywhere near as much sense as you think you are. Who are these 'my people' that you think I have to answer for?

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Democracy is about people being able to have their own opinions

I would say that is what freedom is about - something Abu would have you stoned to death for.

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Re: Abu and Les deflecting death for apostasy
Reply #78 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 6:27am

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:

I am not 'being a dick' spot. I am trying to explain some incredibly simple concepts to you. For some reason, despite explaining them 100 times, you are still oblivious to them. The most obvious one is the difference between what someone wants and what they are capable of achieving. Either you are incapable of understanding the difference, or for some reason you are deliberately lying about what Abu wants. He wants the death penalty for apostasy. He wants Shariah law for Australia. He wants to destroy democracy. He wants to deny people basic freedom and human rights. But for some reason all he has to do is point out that he is incapable of achieving these changes and you jump up and down like a lapdog telling everyone that he does not even want it. Why is it so hard for you to understand? Or do you not want to understand?

You are explaining that I should hate abu because you do.

Who cares what he wants? Lots of ppl want lots of things. Yadda wants all palestinians to be killed "pushed into the sea" yet this is acceptable to you? Lots of ppl want lots of things. If they cant do it and they know they cant do it how is it a problem? That is *if* its even true. Because of your track record I dont take your word for anything.

Also - the sum total of "democracy" in australia is voting. Thats it. Just so you realise you are using yank propaganda slogans.

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Re: Abu and Les deflecting death for apostasy
Reply #79 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 7:47am

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You are explaining that I should hate abu because you do.

It is entirely up to you what sort of emotional response you have to this Spot. I am just trying to get you to be honest about it. Cognitive dissonance is the obvious response you should be having right now.

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Who cares what he wants?

Obviously you do. You have gone to a lot of effort to misrepresent it. People don't usually lie about something over and over again in the face of the evidence unless they have some kind of vested interest.

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Lots of ppl want lots of things.

Very few people want to destroy human rights and democracy and kill people for thought crimes, though it seems to be common among the Muslims I have spoken to.

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If they cant do it and they know they cant do it how is it a problem?

Now this is getting to the heart of the matter spot. I think I will start a new thread on it.

edit: here you go: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1344636735/0#0

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Also - the sum total of "democracy" in australia is voting. Thats it. Just so you realise you are using yank propaganda slogans.

I agree with you on this spot. That's all democracy is, with a few qualifications of course that are required to make it functioning and fair. For some reason Abu likes to pretend it is an entire belief system, but his argument disappears once you try to ask him about it. He certainly leapt on your 'American sloganism' angle, but only because he wanted to fool you into thinkig he was not opposed to actual democracy and did not want to impose his views on others.

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Re: Abu and Les deflecting death for apostasy
Reply #80 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:35am

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Obviously you do. You have gone to a lot of effort to misrepresent it. People don't usually lie about something over and over again in the face of the evidence unless they have some kind of vested interest.

This is a lie. You keep bringing him into everything as if he is the spokesman for islam and all i keep saying is that he answered my question.

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Very few people want to destroy human rights and democracy and kill people for thought crimes, though it seems to be common among the Muslims I have spoken to.

You dont know. Maybe most ppl do. I dont know - you dont either. Gillard and abbott sure do.

Voting is useless. It does nothing. The pollies cheat and it makes no difference. As for human rights how about all those ppl locked in those detention centres for years? Is that humane? Im not surprised if ppl dont like the current system. It has a bit to be desired. See my new thread about "freedom" of speech in Oz.

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Now this is getting to the heart of the matter spot. I think I will start a new thread on it.

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Reply #81 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:48am

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This is a lie. You keep bringing him into everything as if he is the spokesman for islam and all i keep saying is that he answered my question.

Again, not true. You have claimed many times to know what he wants, when he clearly fooled you into getting it completely backwards. You said it spot, own it or retract it. Don't pretend you did not say it. I can quote you if you want.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

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Very few people want to destroy human rights and democracy and kill people for thought crimes, though it seems to be common among the Muslims I have spoken to.

You dont know. Maybe most ppl do. I dont know - you dont either. Gillard and abbott sure do.

No spot. Most people support freedom and democracy. This is a pretty eloborate length to go to to make excuses for Abu and his Muslim friends.

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Re: Abu and Les deflecting death for apostasy
Reply #82 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:19am

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:48am:

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This is a lie. You keep bringing him into everything as if he is the spokesman for islam and all i keep saying is that he answered my question.

Again, not true. You have claimed many times to know what he wants, when he clearly fooled you into getting it completely backwards. You said it spot, own it or retract it. Don't pretend you did not say it. I can quote you if you want.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

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Very few people want to destroy human rights and democracy and kill people for thought crimes, though it seems to be common among the Muslims I have spoken to.

You dont know. Maybe most ppl do. I dont know - you dont either. Gillard and abbott sure do.

No spot. Most people support freedom and democracy. This is a pretty eloborate length to go to to make excuses for Abu and his Muslim friends.

See? Again you twist things and pretend i am defending abu when i was making a comment about australia and "democracy and human rights". Are you telling me gillard and abbott dont want to destroy human rights?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49308 At my desk.	Re: Abu and Les deflecting death for apostasy Reply #83 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:35am You have claimed many times to know what Abu wants, when he clearly fooled you into getting it completely backwards. You said it spot, own it or retract it. Don't pretend you did not say it. I can quote you if you want.
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106273 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Abu and Les deflecting death for apostasy Reply #84 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 10:13am Hi Freediver, Let's sum this up with a simple question - The hypothetical question is - if sharia law came to Australia & a woman was sentenced to death by stoning for e.g. adultery or apostasy - would Abu join in with the crowd & throw stones at her?
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Re: Abu and Les deflecting death for apostasy
Reply #85 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 10:16am

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:35am:

You have claimed many times to know what Abu wants, when he clearly fooled you into getting it completely backwards. You said it spot, own it or retract it. Don't pretend you did not say it. I can quote you if you want.

No i did not. I only know what he said when he answered my question. What is your problem.

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Reply #86 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 12:13pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 10:16am:

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 9:35am:

You have claimed many times to know what Abu wants, when he clearly fooled you into getting it completely backwards. You said it spot, own it or retract it. Don't pretend you did not say it. I can quote you if you want.

No i did not. I only know what he said when he answered my question. What is your problem.

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You have no idea what he said. You are easily confused and easily fooled. Here are some examples of you claiming to know what Abu wants. You will not be able to back up any of them, because he did not actually say these things. He merely tricked you into thinking that is what he wants.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1344636735/6#6

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Abu and Les deflecting death for apostasy Reply #87 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 12:53pm None of that was what you claim it is. In fact didnt you use that post as an example of something else a few hours ago? SOB
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Reply #89 - Aug 11^th, 2012 at 1:34pm

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 1:02pm:

No Spot. You are confused. It is exactly what I said it is - examples of you claiming to know what Abu wants. In each case what he actually wants is the opposite.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1344636735/6#6

Nope its all quoted out of context etc. I didnt read it all cause i know i didnt say it but the ones i did read i was talking about muslims generally where you got the quote form and you are quoting out of context saying it was about abu.

Why do you do this? Do you know that ppl can see right through it?

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