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Could the independents accept a new labor leader ?
Sep 24^th, 2011 at 10:42am

Well with Gilliard on the nose consistently through every opinion poll in the country and with rumours of behind the scenes talk of a leadership challenge to Gilliard, do you think the independents might become flexible over the idea to replace Gilliard with someone else like Crean, smith or even Rudd ??

The independents have stated that their deal was with Gilliard, but given how she is polling so low and the independents dont like the liberals nor Abbott. would they become flexible over allowing a new labor leader to take on Abbott, SINCE THE MAJORITY DONT WANT TO LISTEN TO JULIAR, ???

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Reply #1 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:46am

stryder wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 10:42am:

Well with Gilliard on the nose consistently through every opinion poll in the country and with rumours of behind the scenes talk of a leadership challenge to Gilliard, do you think the independents might become flexible over the idea to replace Gilliard with someone else like Crean, smith or even Rudd ??

The independents have stated that their deal was with Gilliard, but given how she is polling so low and the independents dont like the liberals nor Abbott. would they become flexible over allowing a new labor leader to take on Abbott, SINCE THE MAJORITY DONT WANT TO LISTEN TO JULIAR, ???

No way. Windsor and Oakeshott wouldn't have the guts or integrity to change. They're stuck with Labor, regardless of anything, because they know that they're history come next election. Oakeshott is the biggest idiot in Canberra, even more so than any of the incompetent Labor members. He'll join them all in the scrap-heap come next election. His constituents are out for blood, and I can't wait for his concession speech. I somehow doubt that it will be 17 minutes this time. Grin

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Reply #2 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:59am

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No way. Windsor and Oakeshott wouldn't have the guts or integrity to change. They're stuck with Labor, regardless of anything, because they know that they're history come next election. Oakeshott is the biggest idiot in Canberra, even more so than any of the incompetent Labor members. He'll join them all in the scrap-heap come next election. His constituents are out for blood, and I can't wait for his concession speech. I somehow doubt that it will be 17 minutes this time.

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Given how the decisions and actions of the independents to support Gilliard and labor has turned off australians soo bad, I predict that Windsor, Oakeshoft and Wilkie wont contest the next election, they know they will get a hiding from their electorates so I believe that all 3 of them willl gracefully retire close before the next federal election comes about in 2013

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Could the independents accept a new labor leader ? Reply #3 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:00pm I'm not so sure as a new leader might free them from their two faced deal with the Left? This could be the only reason that Labor hasn't dumped Juliar as yet?
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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Could the independents accept a new labor leader ? Reply #4 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:04pm I can't see them working with anyone else other Gillard - she bends over and they pump that's the way this relationship works Rudd, Smith, Shorten or any other candidate is too smart to be caught out like this again
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Reply #5 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:08pm

stryder wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

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No way. Windsor and Oakeshott wouldn't have the guts or integrity to change. They're stuck with Labor, regardless of anything, because they know that they're history come next election. Oakeshott is the biggest idiot in Canberra, even more so than any of the incompetent Labor members. He'll join them all in the scrap-heap come next election. His constituents are out for blood, and I can't wait for his concession speech. I somehow doubt that it will be 17 minutes this time.

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Given how the decisions and actions of the independents to support Gilliard and labor has turned off australians soo bad, I predict that Windsor, Oakeshoft and Wilkie wont contest the next election, they know they will get a hiding from their electorates so I believe that all 3 of them willl gracefully retire close before the next federal election comes about in 2013

Well, to be fair to Wilkie, stryder, he had no other choice. Labor received the highest vote in his electorate, and Liberal second. He came third, (which shows the dodginess of our system, but that's another matter) and went with the wishes of his constituents. They should bear that in mind, even if they have turned off Labor, he sided with them, which is more than what can be said about Windsor and Oakeshott.

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Reply #6 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:08pm

stryder wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

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No way. Windsor and Oakeshott wouldn't have the guts or integrity to change. They're stuck with Labor, regardless of anything, because they know that they're history come next election. Oakeshott is the biggest idiot in Canberra, even more so than any of the incompetent Labor members. He'll join them all in the scrap-heap come next election. His constituents are out for blood, and I can't wait for his concession speech. I somehow doubt that it will be 17 minutes this time.

by Matty

Given how the decisions and actions of the independents to support Gilliard and labor has turned off australians soo bad, I predict that Windsor, Oakeshoft and Wilkie wont contest the next election, they know they will get a hiding from their electorates so I believe that all 3 of them willl gracefully retire close before the next federal election comes about in 2013

I think 1 will survive

Windsor probably survive the carnage

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Re: Could the independents accept a new labor leader ?
Reply #7 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:15pm

Maqqa wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:08pm:

stryder wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

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No way. Windsor and Oakeshott wouldn't have the guts or integrity to change. They're stuck with Labor, regardless of anything, because they know that they're history come next election. Oakeshott is the biggest idiot in Canberra, even more so than any of the incompetent Labor members. He'll join them all in the scrap-heap come next election. His constituents are out for blood, and I can't wait for his concession speech. I somehow doubt that it will be 17 minutes this time.

by Matty

Given how the decisions and actions of the independents to support Gilliard and labor has turned off australians soo bad, I predict that Windsor, Oakeshoft and Wilkie wont contest the next election, they know they will get a hiding from their electorates so I believe that all 3 of them willl gracefully retire close before the next federal election comes about in 2013

I think 1 will survive

Windsor probably survive the carnage

You think that Windsor will still retain his seat, Maqqa? Huh

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Reply #8 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:16pm

matty wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:15pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:08pm:

stryder wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

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No way. Windsor and Oakeshott wouldn't have the guts or integrity to change. They're stuck with Labor, regardless of anything, because they know that they're history come next election. Oakeshott is the biggest idiot in Canberra, even more so than any of the incompetent Labor members. He'll join them all in the scrap-heap come next election. His constituents are out for blood, and I can't wait for his concession speech. I somehow doubt that it will be 17 minutes this time.

by Matty

Given how the decisions and actions of the independents to support Gilliard and labor has turned off australians soo bad, I predict that Windsor, Oakeshoft and Wilkie wont contest the next election, they know they will get a hiding from their electorates so I believe that all 3 of them willl gracefully retire close before the next federal election comes about in 2013

I think 1 will survive

Windsor probably survive the carnage

You think that Windsor will still retain his seat, Maqqa? Huh

ALRIGHT

my bad Roll Eyes

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Re: Could the independents accept a new labor leader ?
Reply #9 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:33pm

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I think 1 will survive

Windsor probably survive the carnage

by Maqqa

Well given the fact that Gilliards deal with the independents such as Tony Windsor has created such a sour feeling throughout the entire electorate of australia, it can be argued that it could effect Windsors seat of new england to the point of HIS OBLITERATION, quite frankly

So Im not sure that Windsor will survive or any of them given that they will be known in australian history of creating a divisve political atmosphere, by australian historians to come

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Re: Could the independents accept a new labor leader ?
Reply #10 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:34pm

Maqqa wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:16pm:

matty wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:15pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:08pm:

stryder wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

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No way. Windsor and Oakeshott wouldn't have the guts or integrity to change. They're stuck with Labor, regardless of anything, because they know that they're history come next election. Oakeshott is the biggest idiot in Canberra, even more so than any of the incompetent Labor members. He'll join them all in the scrap-heap come next election. His constituents are out for blood, and I can't wait for his concession speech. I somehow doubt that it will be 17 minutes this time.

by Matty

Given how the decisions and actions of the independents to support Gilliard and labor has turned off australians soo bad, I predict that Windsor, Oakeshoft and Wilkie wont contest the next election, they know they will get a hiding from their electorates so I believe that all 3 of them willl gracefully retire close before the next federal election comes about in 2013

I think 1 will survive

Windsor probably survive the carnage

You think that Windsor will still retain his seat, Maqqa? Huh

ALRIGHT

my bad Roll Eyes

No, it's cool, just wondering why you thought that?

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Reply #11 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:38pm

matty wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:34pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:16pm:

matty wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:15pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:08pm:

stryder wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

Quote:

No way. Windsor and Oakeshott wouldn't have the guts or integrity to change. They're stuck with Labor, regardless of anything, because they know that they're history come next election. Oakeshott is the biggest idiot in Canberra, even more so than any of the incompetent Labor members. He'll join them all in the scrap-heap come next election. His constituents are out for blood, and I can't wait for his concession speech. I somehow doubt that it will be 17 minutes this time.

by Matty

Given how the decisions and actions of the independents to support Gilliard and labor has turned off australians soo bad, I predict that Windsor, Oakeshoft and Wilkie wont contest the next election, they know they will get a hiding from their electorates so I believe that all 3 of them willl gracefully retire close before the next federal election comes about in 2013

I think 1 will survive

Windsor probably survive the carnage

You think that Windsor will still retain his seat, Maqqa? Huh

ALRIGHT

my bad Roll Eyes

No, it's cool, just wondering why you thought that?

He seems to be more likeable than the others. Generally if you have that appeal it's difficult to dislodge

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Re: Could the independents accept a new labor leader ?
Reply #12 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:41pm

The independents are sitting in a gravy train where they have the labor/greens by the balls and can get to worry and scare labor all there want about pulling the plug on there support if there deal is nowhere met, but at the same time they know a labor party in front of the polls will help them long term But they are not getting that, so i ask the question could the independents jump ship on Gilliard and take there chance on a new labor leader as long as Gilliard remains a poisonous and unelectable figure ???

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Reply #13 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:47pm

stryder wrote on Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:41pm:

The independents are sitting in a gravy train where they have the labor/greens by the balls and can get to worry and scare labor all there want about pulling the plug on there support if there deal is nowhere met, but at the same time they know a labor party in front of the polls will help them long term But they are not getting that, and I donmt think they will, so i ask the question could the independents jump ship on Gilliard and take there chance on a new labor leader as long as Gilliard remains a poisonous figure ???

Jumping ship may mean they have to change their policies

Gets down to 2 things

(1) Gillard is linked to bad policies so her policies must go as soon as she goes. How many of these policies are as a result of the deals between them?

(2) Given point 1 the Independents have to renegotiate new policy points with Labor

Chances are they want the same deal ie same policies therefore the Labor party is back on the Titanic with different deck chairs (same bad policies)

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Reply #14 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 12:55pm

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Gets down to 2 things

(1) Gillard is linked to bad policies so her policies must go as soon as she goes. How many of these policies are as a result of the deals between them?

(2) Given point 1 the Independents have to renegotiate new policy points with Labor

Chances are they want the same deal ie same policies therefore the Labor party is back on the Titanic with different deck chairs (same bad policies)

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If that scenario ever came true I believe thats exactly what will have to happen which is to renegotiate the whole deal

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