freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2011 at 11:13am:



You mentioned "announced their policy" in your post

Where is the policy document?

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2011 at 11:46am:


Cool

Your original comment refereed to the fact they announced their own policy

A newspaper article needs to be read in context

Those articles you referenced are either sound bytes or an editorial

My very first reply in this thread refer to a discussion around WHO created the problem which led Australia into this mess

Once we understand WHO - then we will understand WHAT the problem is

In understanding WHAT - we will then understand HOW we will fix the problem

So my question to you is - do you know WHO created this problem in 2007?

Here's a hint - December 2007 Bali

If you cannot bring yourself to accept the WHO because of your political bias - that's okay as well

freediver wrote on Oct 1^st, 2011 at 3:49pm:


Yes, a carbon tax.
A tax on ordinary families, which will increase our cost of living, do nothing on global emissions and hinder Australian businesses in a time of global turndown.

Yep - you are right. No matter who trumpets it, it's a fking stupid idea and a terrible policy.

The carbon tax is not an error Maqqa. You are putting the cart before the horse.

You mean the 3rd of december 2007 when Australia finally caught up with the rest of the world on a climate inititive.

If you claim that this was the beginning of the issuue why did the Howard government have a climate action policy (price on carbon) which they intended to impliment if elected before this time?

Policies not parties is a interesting concept – in fact one which is difficult to not support in principal – that is until you realise that you may like a few policies of a particular party as is typically the case but the only way to access that policy is to elect that party.

I don’t but some may like the coalitions position on carbon for instance but you can not vote for the coalition and think you will not get their dogma on workplace relations, attacks on the unemployed and other minority groups things like returning to unfair dismissal and the employers right to reduce wages by removing penalties and O/T rates etc. Can you really afford to look at individual policies in isolation?

Say you support one party above the other based on 3 policies, if elected you probably see one implemented and working, one just dropped and never put into legislation and the other either partially implemented or  implemented poorly, but in the end you get all the other typical trends of that group.

The last 5 years it has been difficult to like the Liberals policy – they have had none. They cobble together some un-costed carp days before the election giving no chance to properly consider it.

It has also been difficult to like Labor policy – they have typically bent over to try and please the conservatives way too much – their willingness to negotiate a position with employer groups has led to poor outcomes.

OHS – finding a balance between the states has meant taking the eastern states to a lower position as a compromise to raise the standards in the west. In my view not good enough.

Modern Awards – Again compromise led to people being worse off, a problem which would have been easy to fix and wasn’t.

The last few years has been about anything but policy – the Liberals are playing a purely destructive game and Labor are allowing that agenda to play out.

Unfortunatly if you support the policy you will get the party.

Dnarever wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2011 at 9:16am:




(1) The rest of the world - Australia already signed the Protocol when it was initially drafted?

(2) So what was the difference between signing which happened years earlier and "ratifying" which happened on 3rd of December

(3) Please show the actual Howard's Policy then we'll discuss it

Here's an example freediver

The ALP criticised the LIBs method on Illegal Boats and abolished the policy in 2007.

The illegals increased from 605 for the period 2002-2007 to 10,000+ in the period 2008-2011

Now the ALP is blaming the LIBs for it

If you want a policy discussion then admit that Labor created the problem and how it impacted Australia then I am happy to discuss this based on policies


http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/article/10383918/opposition-reckless-on-boat...

The federal government has blamed more asylum seeker boat arrivals on a "reckless and spiteful" opposition which is blocking its attempts to resurrect the scuttled Malaysia people swap deal.

Border protection authorities intercepted a boat carrying 70 asylum seekers early on Saturday morning near Christmas Island.

This is the second boat to arrive this week and the fifth boat intercepted since the High Court quashed the federal government's Malaysia people swap deal in August.

The ruling also cast doubt over offshore processing in other countries.

Home Affairs Minister Brendan O'Connor has renewed pleas for opposition leader Tony Abbott to act in the "country's interest."