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The United States, and their fall into the Dark
Sep 26th, 2011 at 2:25am
 
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Cameron Todd Willingham was convicted of murdering his daughters in a house fire. Perry signed that death warrant despite scientific opinion suggesting that no arson had actually taken place, that the fire was, as Willingham always maintained, a terrible accident.

Later, Perry scuttled an inquiry that seemed set to posthumously exonerate the dead man.

Once upon a time, executing an innocent might have meant the end of your political career. Not in the GOP — not in 2011.

On the contrary, Willingham’s death has, it seems, bolstered Perry’s fortunes, at least among the Republican base. As Justin Elliot explained in Salon:

   Multiple former […] advisers recalled asking a focus group about the charge that Perry may have presided over the execution of an innocent man — Cameron Todd Willingham — and got this response from a primary voter: “It takes balls to execute an innocent man.”

The sentiment might seem sociopathic. But consider how guilt and innocence have evolved over the past decade.

With the onset of the war on terror, Dick Cheney announced a need to channel “the dark side”. Since then, US politicians of all denominations have accepted that strong leadership is defined by preparedness to dismiss legal niceties and ethical qualms. Hence President Obama’s intensification of the drone strikes that regularly wipe out whole families in Pakistan. Today, almost no mainstream commentators flinch at the US assassinating those it dubs terrorists, even if those assassinations require Predator drones killing entirely innocent civilians.

Or, to put it another way, innocence no longer brings immunity, since guilt applies to categories rather than individuals.

Hence Guantanamo, where the US has been prepared to detain indefinitely without charge or trial people whom it knows not to be terrorists. They haven’t done anything wrong — but they’re not innocent, either, since, for many Americans, all Muslims are objects of suspicion, and don’t deserve the traditional protections of the justice system.

It’s not so surprising that similar attitudes should creep into domestic politics.

For the hard core Tea Partiers who dominate the GOP, the kinds of people who end up on death row are already guilty, irrespective of the crimes they did or didn’t commit.

At a later Republican debate at which moderator Wolf Blitzer quizzed the libertarian Ron Paul about his attitude to health care.

“What do you tell a guy who is sick, goes into a coma and doesn’t have health insurance?” Blitzer asked. “Who pays for his coverage? Are you saying society should just let him die?”

“Yeah!” several members of the crowd called.

It’s the same attitude that led conservative columnist Matthew Vadum to argue that welfare recipients shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

“Registering them […] is like handing out burglary tools to criminals,” he wrote. “It is profoundly antisocial and un-American to empower the nonproductive segments of the population to destroy the country.”


As the U.S Economic state continues to worsen, the countries psyche and moral compass also continue to fall into darkness.

I've never willed the destruction of a country on more then I do now. The United States of America is now nothing more then a hive of scum and villainy, where the strong pray on the weak to bolster their own unquenchable egos that blind Nationalism has brought about. The Tea Party is a disgrace to Humanity, and the Far Right of Australia should look upon their counterparts in the U.S and be disgusted.

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“While most of the prisoners whose executions we participated in accepted responsibility for the crimes for which they were punished,” they wrote, “some of us have also executed prisoners who maintained their innocence until the end. It is those cases that are most haunting to an executioner. We write to you today with the overwhelming concern that an innocent person could be executed in Georgia tonight. We know the legal process has exhausted itself in the case of Troy Anthony Davis, and yet, doubt about his guilt remains. This very fact will have an irreversible and damaging impact on your staff. […] Living with the nightmares is something that we know from experience. No one has the right to ask a public servant to take on a lifelong sentence of nagging doubt, and for some of us, shame and guilt.”

Of course, the appeal had no effect.

Why would it? The men and women employed in America’s jails are drawn, by and large, from a similar social layer to the men and women imprisoned there. In contemporary politics, such people are objects, not subjects. The conservatives who don’t care what happened to Troy Davis are equally indifferent to those tasked with putting him to death.

The struggle against capital punishment is no longer, if it ever was, a simple matter of legal reform. It’s much more than that, fundamentally entwined with a struggle over the soul of America
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Reply #1 - Sep 26th, 2011 at 2:55am
 
Ahh...Goddy...do you not see the contradictions in your stance here? You call for the destruction of the USA , but in calling for that destruction you also call for the destruction of all those people in that country who may have similar views to yourself.
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Reply #2 - Sep 26th, 2011 at 6:24am
 
<<As the U.S Economic state continues to worsen, the countries psyche and moral compass also continue to fall into darkness.

I've never willed the destruction of a country on more then I do now. The United States of America is now nothing more then a hive of scum and villainy, where the strong pray on the weak to bolster their own unquenchable egos that blind Nationalism has brought about. The Tea Party is a disgrace to Humanity, and the Far Right of Australia should look upon their counterparts in the U.S and be disgusted.>>
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I somewhat agree with this. The citizens of the US should never have allowed their country to get to such a vile state. It is a lesson we could learn, lest we catch their festering cancer. We are far too close to America and their evil ways for comfort. It's time we moved away from them and got some independence.

Surely Australia does not want the same reputation that America has throughout the world. They are hated and detested by most countries.
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Reply #3 - Sep 26th, 2011 at 6:33am
 
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What are America's allies up to, these days? Oh, just jailing the CIA people who targeted Osama bin Laden in his fancy Pakistan suburban castle. China reads the White House gmail, British prime minister David Cameron mocks our wonderful health care system that's available only to people with lots of money, and now Pakistan is just cold arresting people for squealing on Bin Laden. It's almost like the whole world is laughing at America, nonstop.
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Reply #4 - Sep 26th, 2011 at 4:09pm
 
What? What your problem with the USA that you incite so much hate and vitriol on a country. Certainly the USA has performed some atrocities bUt almost every country has.

Although some of you may enjoy seeing the 'greatest nation on earth' go through a tough time, but do not count tHe USA out just yet. They will return and recover they will. The USA has too much latent labour and production strength... The EU is a different matter.

NB I'm against the death penalty. I do not believe that the state has the right to demand revenge.
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Reply #5 - Sep 30th, 2011 at 8:13pm
 
Look in your own back yard first....one child a month is killed in a driveway. Children thrown off bridges or drowned in dams. Childrens bodies in suitcases. Children bashed or thrown against walls by wacked out  boyfriends/defactos

Homosexual kills homo partner then cuts off penis and stores in freezer

Balangalo Forest murders

Foreign tourists go missing, found murdered

Elderly war vets robbed and bashed or murdered

Someones body parts strewn around Sydney some years back

Drive-by shootings


and so on
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Reply #6 - Oct 1st, 2011 at 6:18am
 
Yes bias, I see your point. Most countries have their fair share of gruesome murders and crimes against society.

The killing by the state of a man who could be innocent goes against the pail, especially when the state was called upon by numerous countries and organisations to halt the execution because his guilt was not beyond reasonable doubt.

America has lost its soul.

They might be immune to the human suffering caused by killing now because of all the innocent civilians they kill in wars.
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Reply #7 - Oct 1st, 2011 at 10:28pm
 
Just execute the scummy murderers.  We need to bring back hanging in Britain.  I'd love to see Ian Huntley dancing the Tyburn jig rather than spending the rets of his life in a cushy cell with his Playstation and DVDs at taxpayers' expense.
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Reply #8 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 10:17am
 
Another child killed in a driveway, this time in N/Territory, how many's that now all up ?

Working families should be made to give back the baby bonus and the govt put it into research as to why Australian parents don't do a simple driveway check before zoom zooming....the dumb asses need educating
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Reply #9 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 5:43pm
 
Hundreds arrested in Wall Street protest


Police reopened the Brooklyn Bridge on Saturday evening after more than 700 anti-Wall Street protesters were arrested for blocking traffic lanes and attempting an unauthorised march across the span.

The arrests took place when a large group of marchers, participating in a second week of protests by the Occupy Wall Street movement, broke off from others on the bridge's pedestrian walkway and headed across the Brooklyn-bound lanes.

"Over 700 summonses and desk appearance tickets have been issued in connection with a demonstration on the Brooklyn Bridge late this afternoon after multiple warnings by police were given to protesters to stay on the pedestrian walkway, and that if they took roadway they would be arrested," a police spokesman said.

"Some complied and took the walkway without being arrested. Others proceeded on the Brooklyn-bound vehicular roadway and were. The bridge was re-opened to traffic at 8:05 pm (local time Sunday)."

Most of those who were arrested were taken into custody off the bridge, issued summonses and released.

Witnesses described a chaotic scene on the famous suspension bridge as a sea of police officers surrounded the protesters using orange mesh netting.

Some protesters tried to get away as officers started handcuffing members of the group. Dozens of protesters were seen handcuffed and sitting on the span as three buses were called in to take them away, witnesses and organisers said.

The march started about 3:30 pm (local time) from the protesters' camp in Zuccotti Park in downtown Manhattan near the former World Trade Center. Members of the group have vowed to stay at the park through the winter.
Celebrity support

In addition to what they view as excessive force and unfair treatment of minorities, including Muslims, the movement is also protesting against home foreclosures, high unemployment and the 2008 bailouts.

Filmmaker Michael Moore and actress Susan Sarandon have stopped by the protesters' camp, which is plastered with posters with anti-Wall Street slogans and has a kitchen and library, to offer their support.

On Friday evening, more than 1,000 demonstrators, including representatives of labor organisations, held a peaceful march to police headquarters a few blocks north of City Hall to protest what they said was a heavy-handed police response the previous week. No arrests were reported.

A week ago, police arrested about 80 members of Occupy Wall Street near the Union Square shopping district as the marchers swarmed onto oncoming traffic.

A police commander doused a handful of women with pepper spray in an incident captured on video and spread via the internet, galvanizing the loosely organised protest movement.

The group has gained support among some union members. The United Federation of Teachers and the Transport Workers Union Local 100, which has 38,000 members, are among those pledging solidarity.

The unions could provide important organisational and financial support for the largely leaderless movement.

Similar protests are sprouting in other cities, including Boston, Chicago and San Francisco.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-02/hundreds-arrested-in-wall-street-protest/3205566
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Reply #10 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 6:01pm
 
Stewart wrote on Sep 26th, 2011 at 4:09pm:
What? What your problem with the USA that you incite so much hate and vitriol on a country. Certainly the USA has performed some atrocities bUt almost every country has.


Countries which the US has attacked/bombed/or supplied weapons against in time of conflict:

Afghanistan
Iraq
Somalia
Yemen
Pakistan
Lybia
Iran
Jordan
Egypt
Syria
Cuba
Bangladesh
China
Panama
Yugoslavia
North Korea
Vietnam
Germany
USSR
Philippines
UK
Lebanon
Grenada
Haiti
Japan
Spain
Mexico
Native American Nations
USA during Civil War
Italy
Dominican Republic
Nicaragua
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Guatemala victims of US syphilis study still haunted by the 'devil's experiment'


Survivors tell of damaged lives after being deliberately infected in secret 1940s experiment on 1,500 men, women and children


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Marta Orellana, 74, a victim of the US syphilis trial when she was nine. 'They never gave me a chance to say no,' she says.


Marta Orellana says she was playing with friends at the orphanage when the summons sounded: "Orellana to the infirmary. Orellana to the infirmary."

Waiting for her were several doctors she had never seen before. Tall men with fair complexions who spoke what she guessed was English, plus a Guatemalan doctor. They had syringes and little bottles.

They ordered her to lie down and open her legs. Embarrassed, she locked her knees together and shook her head. The Guatemalan medic slapped her cheek and she began to cry. "I did what I was told," she recalls.

Today the nine-year-old girl is a rheumy-eyed 74-year-old great-grandmother, but the anguish of that moment endures. It was how it all began: the pain, the humiliation, the mystery.

It was 1946 and orphans in Guatemala City...had been selected for a medical experiment which would torment many, and remain secret, for more than six decades.

The US, worried about GIs returning home with sexual diseases, infected an estimated 1,500 Guatemalans with syphilis, gonorrhea and chancroid to test an early antibiotic, penicillin.

"They never told me what they were doing, never gave me a chance to say no," Orellana said this week, seated in her ramshackle Guatemala City home. "I've lived almost my whole life without knowing the truth..."

The US government admitted to the experiment in October when the secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, and the health secretary, Kathleen Sebelius, issued a joint statement apologising for "such reprehensible research" under the guise of public health. Barack Obama phoned his Guatemalan counterpart, Alvaro Colom, to say sorry too.

Susan Reverby, a professor at Wellesley College in the US, uncovered the experiment while researching the Tuskegee syphilis study in which hundreds of African American men were left untreated for 40 years from the 1930s.

The Guatemalan study went further by deliberately infecting its subjects. Not only did it violate the hippocratic oath to do no harm but it echoed Nazi crimes exposed around the same time at the Nuremberg trials.

The victims remained largely unknown but the Guardian has interviewed the families of the three survivors identified so far by Guatemala. They chronicled lives blighted by illness, neglect and unanswered questions.

"My father didn't know how to read and they treated him like an animal," said Benjamin Ramos, 57, the son of Federico, 87, a former soldier. "This was the devil's experiment."

Mateo Gudiel, 57, said his father, Manuel, 87, another ex-conscript, has syphilis-linked infections, dementia and headaches. "Some of this has been passed on to me, my siblings and our children." Children can inherit congenital syphilis...

Guatemala's official inquiry, headed by its vice-president, is due to publish its report in June. "What impacted me the most was how little value was given to these human lives. They were seen as things to be experimented on," said Carlos Mejia, a member of the inquiry and head of the Guatemalan College of Physicians.

The US scientists treated 87% of those infected with syphilis and lost track of the other 13%. Of those treated about a tenth suffered recurrences.

The US medical establishment, including the surgeon-general, keenly followed the study even though John Cutler, who led the Guatemala team, acknowledged ethical violations in a 1947 letter, saying: "Unless the law winks occasionally, you have no progress in medicine."

His supervisor, RC Arnold, urged discretion. "If some goody organisation got wind of the work there would be a lot of smoke." In the end the study yielded no useful information and was buried...

It is unclear what, if anything, was promised to the Sisters of Charity in return for supplying orphans to the tall men in white coats who visited each week from 1946-48.

"They didn't tell me why they singled me out," said Orellana, who was four when sent to the institution after her parents died. After the initial gynaecological probing, when she assumes she was infected, she was given penicillin weekly. "My body hurt and I was sleepy, I didn't want to play." At least 10 other girls were also picked for the study, she added.

The treatment failed – but even as an adult, when she worked as a maid and in factories, doctors would say only that she had "bad blood", leaving her ailments a mystery. A "loving and patient" husband helped her overcome intimacy issues. She has five children, 20 grandchildren and eight great-grandchildren.

When the US finally owned up to the scandal in 2010 Orellana, near crippled from a stroke but still lucid, was mesmerised. She tested positive for syphilis, said Rudy Zuniga, a lawyer who is representing alleged victims in a class action in the US. Only a handful of the original 1,500 may still be alive but there could be dozens if not hundreds of infected children and grandchildren, he said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/08/guatemala-victims-us-syphilis-study

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Reply #12 - Oct 2nd, 2011 at 9:30pm
 
Orphans experimented on without consent. Selected human guinea pigs.

Cruel Doctors Abuse their Position of Trust

Orphans used in cruel vaccine research experiments

Broadmeadows Babies' Home, an unimpressive rambling collection of brick and weatherboard buildings about 20 kilometres north of Melbourne, was an unlikely setting for cruel medical experiments, but it was there in September 1947 that researchers from the Walter and Eliza Hall Institute of Medical Research started work to try to find a vaccination against herpes simplex.

Every healthy child in permanent residence between seven and 10 months of age was selected as a human guinea pig. At first 16 babies were injected with an adult dose (one millilitre) of undiluted herpes virus. This was repeated in nine of the children two months later.

Before each dose of herpes, the babies were given a preliminary injection of the vaccine, to see whether it would stop the spread of the herpes. Seven of the children showed an adverse reaction after the second preliminary injection and did not receive a full follow-up dose. The origins of the experiment - funded with a National Health and Medical Research Council grant - can be found in The Medical Journal of Australia of 5 March 1949, where the researchers published the results of an earlier herpes in children'' study at the home.

Fifty-one of the 240 babies at the home were used between March 1946 and February 1947. Broadmeadows Babies' Home, opened in 1890 and run by the Roman Catholic Sisters of St Joseph, housed orphans and wards of state until they were about five years old, when they were sent to other Catholic institutions throughout Victoria. It closed in 1975.

For scientists it offered an opportunity to observe the spread of the virus. Blood was repeatedly obtained by puncturing the babies' ear lobes, and cotton swabs were used to collect samples from mouth ulcers. The researchers hoped it might be possible to vaccinate other children against herpes in their first year of life. But their hopes were short-lived.

According to their results, published in the Australian Journal of Experimental Biology and Medical Science in 1950, blood taken from the babies over two years showed the dead herpes virus failed to provide protection. All of the 10 vaccinated children (six babies left the home before the end of the experiment) caught herpes. Of the 10 remaining healthy children in the control group who were not vaccinated, only eight caught herpes from the infected children.

This result speaks clearly against the efficacy of vaccination,'' the researchers' report said. The vaccination was of no benefit in preventing primary herpetic infection.''

Trial vaccines failed to pass animal safety test

The subsequent medical experiments conducted on the unsuspecting children in orphanages and babies' homes in Victoria continued until 1970, and included trials of new vaccines that did not work or failed to pass safety tests in animals. Some experiments included giving children a test vaccine against whooping cough which was never put into production.

An investigation by the Melbourne Age newspaper revealed that hundreds of children in orphanages and babies' homes, including wards of state, were used in the experiments and studies over 25 years. They were used to test vaccines and antigens for toxic effects before the new products were used on children in the wider community. In most of the experiments babies developed adverse reactions, including vomiting and abscesses.....
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