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barnaby joe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1992 euchareena	Re: Leftist ideology and the theory of evolution Reply #15 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:08am the problem with using this argument as an attack on 'lefties' is that the mainstream right actually believe the same thing, or concede it is so but just consider it irrelevant.
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Reply #16 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:17am

barnaby joe wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:08am:

the problem with using this argument as an attack on 'lefties' is that the mainstream right actually believe the same thing, or concede it is so but just consider it irrelevant.

1. the mainstream, whether left or right leaning, are idiots. Idiots.
2. Do they really believe it, or are they just too cowed to stand against the status quo?

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barnaby joe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1992 euchareena	Re: Leftist ideology and the theory of evolution Reply #17 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:18am what is a lefty? what is a righty anyway? now there's a question.
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Reply #18 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:21am

barnaby joe wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:18am:

what is a lefty? what is a righty anyway?

now there's a question.

My current thinking is that I'm not so much a righty as I am an anti-lefty. A different kind of lefty. Theres heaps I'd change if I could, but not according to the same idiotic ideology pushed by todays left.

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Reply #19 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:25am

... wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

[quote author=07233E2B3C273B231107074E0 link=1317004747/15#15 date=1328832494]the problem with using this argument as an attack on 'lefties' is that the mainstream right actually believe the same thing, or concede it is so but just consider it irrelevant.

1. the mainstream, whether left or right leaning, are idiots. Idiots. /quote]

i don't agree. i wouldn't call mainstream conservative or liberal/leftist talking heads idiots. people are conformist herd animals that will go along with whatever position garners them social status and respectability - it's human nature.

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2. Do they really believe it, or are they just too cowed to stand against the status quo?

i'd definitely say yes they do. and you have to remember they are the status quo. they're one half of it. if they had never conceded so much ground to the forces that desired to obfuscate and eliminate discussion of the issues this topic pertains to, we wouldn't be having this conversation now. they have nobody to blame but themselves.

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Reply #20 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:35am

barnaby joe wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:25am:

... wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

[quote author=07233E2B3C273B231107074E0 link=1317004747/15#15 date=1328832494]the problem with using this argument as an attack on 'lefties' is that the mainstream right actually believe the same thing, or concede it is so but just consider it irrelevant.

1. the mainstream, whether left or right leaning, are idiots. Idiots. /quote]

i don't agree. i wouldn't call mainstream conservative or liberal/leftist talking heads idiots. people are conformist herd animals that will go along with whatever position garners them social status and respectability - it's human nature.

Remember that story a few days ago 'conservatives lower IQ's than liberals? That might tie in here - high IQ people would be smart enough to not imperil their position by showing 'unfavourable' views. But self-preservation isn't the only instinct people feel or act on.

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2. Do they really believe it, or are they just too cowed to stand against the status quo?

i'd definitely say yes they do. and you have to remember they are the status quo. they're one half of it. if they had never conceded so much ground to the forces that desired to obfuscate and eliminate discussion of the issues this topic pertains to, we wouldn't be having this conversation now. they have nobody to blame but themselves.

Who are we talking about here? Religious right? Money men?

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barnaby joe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1992 euchareena	Re: Leftist ideology and the theory of evolution Reply #21 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:38am i'm just talking about the people you would consider to be 'respectable' conservatives in western societies. the william f buckleys, jonah goldbergs, george w bushs, david camerons, john mccains, the LONGWEEKENDS, etc, those guys. you know what i mean.
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Reply #22 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:40am

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Remember that story a few days ago 'conservatives lower IQ's than liberals? That might tie in here - high IQ people would be smart enough to not imperil their position by showing 'unfavourable' views. But self-preservation isn't the only instinct people feel or act on.

well no, but i'm n ot really thinking about just the hordes who will lap up any idea you put in front of them - they don't matter. i'm thinking more of the people who put the ideas in front of them. elites, conservative or liberal, are not dumb.

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Reply #23 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:41am

barnaby joe wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

i'm just talking about the people you would consider to be 'respectable' conservatives in western societies. the william f buckleys, jonah goldbergs, george w bushs, david camerons, john mccains, the LONGWEEKENDS, etc, those guys.

you know what i mean.

Me, being a lefty, don't care for those types.
But you are correct, they are not idiots - they are assholes. Assholes who have sold us all out for personal gain.....which is entirely understandable from their point of view, but I don't have to like them for it.

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Reply #24 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:46am

barnaby joe wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

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Remember that story a few days ago 'conservatives lower IQ's than liberals? That might tie in here - high IQ people would be smart enough to not imperil their position by showing 'unfavourable' views. But self-preservation isn't the only instinct people feel or act on.

well no, but i'm n ot really thinking about just the hordes who will lap up any idea you put in front of them - they don't matter. i'm thinking more of the people who put the ideas in front of them. elites, conservative or liberal, are not dumb.

The hordes do matter - of course they matter. They obviously aren't the 'brains' of the outfit, but they are the enforcers of the orthodoxy. Without them, the elites who formulate these ideas would be powerless. The hordes are the manistream. That they are guided by smart people is irrelevant, they themselves are unthinking drones.

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Reply #25 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:49am

so where do we go from here? where do HBD people go?

most people are put to sleep or revolted (or secretly intrigued) by fact tables about heritability, IQ, behavioral genetics, evo psychology, gene-environment evolution, etc. prepare to be called a propagator of '19th century pseudoscience' even if you're citing papers from 2011. many aspects of the whole debate have only become more and more certain, take this landmark for example: http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/full/mp201185a.html

yet people are still not listening. why is this and what can we do about it?

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Reply #26 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:50am

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barnaby joe wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

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Remember that story a few days ago 'conservatives lower IQ's than liberals? That might tie in here - high IQ people would be smart enough to not imperil their position by showing 'unfavourable' views. But self-preservation isn't the only instinct people feel or act on.

well no, but i'm n ot really thinking about just the hordes who will lap up any idea you put in front of them - they don't matter. i'm thinking more of the people who put the ideas in front of them. elites, conservative or liberal, are not dumb.

The hordes do matter - of course they matter. They obviously aren't the 'brains' of the outfit, but they are the enforcers of the orthodoxy. Without them, the elites who formulate these ideas would be powerless. The hordes are the manistream. That they are guided by smart people is irrelevant, they themselves are unthinking drones.

well agreed, but i just don't think they matter when it comes to changing things that much. you need elites to green light it for them before they start following a certain tune.

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Reply #27 - Feb 10^th, 2012 at 11:02am

barnaby joe wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:50am:

... wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:46am:

barnaby joe wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:40am:

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Remember that story a few days ago 'conservatives lower IQ's than liberals? That might tie in here - high IQ people would be smart enough to not imperil their position by showing 'unfavourable' views. But self-preservation isn't the only instinct people feel or act on.

well no, but i'm n ot really thinking about just the hordes who will lap up any idea you put in front of them - they don't matter. i'm thinking more of the people who put the ideas in front of them. elites, conservative or liberal, are not dumb.

The hordes do matter - of course they matter. They obviously aren't the 'brains' of the outfit, but they are the enforcers of the orthodoxy. Without them, the elites who formulate these ideas would be powerless. The hordes are the manistream. That they are guided by smart people is irrelevant, they themselves are unthinking drones.

well agreed, but i just don't think they matter when it comes to changing things that much. you need elites to green light it for them before they start following a certain tune.

Oh hell no. It's a rare breed of man who marches to the beat of his own drum. It's all just a battle for the hearts and minds of the drones, and the weapons of choice are academia and the media.

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Reply #28 - Feb 11^th, 2012 at 5:34pm

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barnaby joe wrote on Feb 10^th, 2012 at 10:18am:

what is a lefty? what is a righty anyway?

now there's a question.

My current thinking is that I'm not so much a righty as I am an anti-lefty.

And according to the scientific evidence, you would be right.

You don't have any Aboriginal in you do you, Honky? Aparently they have IQs of 64. The leftists would have you believe it doesn't matter, but one drop of blood and that's it.

I nearly got infected by one of them once, but I think I got away with it.

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barnaby joe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1992 euchareena	Re: Leftist ideology and the theory of evolution Reply #29 - Feb 11^th, 2012 at 6:11pm finally, karnal is here. now we've got ourselves a party.
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