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Reply #195 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 7:54am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 10:55am:

Geoff Clark: professional complainer and racial whinger.

Geoff Clark doesn't even look Aboriginal, for crying out loud! Bolt had a point and it's a shame that what he said can now be found to be illegal. I hope he appeals as it strikes at the heart of our right to free speech.

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toots Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146	Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty Reply #196 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 8:35am I wonder if the judge knows that his decision has badly damaged all the good work done by well-intentioned people striving for reconciliation and the sight of Geoff Clark in that outfit outside court yesterday has set it back even further.
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Reply #197 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:06am

I hope that the outcome of this case will encourage more ethnic groups to challenge those who will throw racial slurs at them.

Let's hope that the middle east crime unit of NSW will be next on the hit list.

We single out certain groups for 'special' treatment or mistreatment. It does nothing to foster good relations between cultures.

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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty Reply #198 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:19am No one should be banned for saying JFC. A mod's religious beliefs are secondary. Poor form LW.
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toots Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146	Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty Reply #199 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:23am Bolt needed a slap, he made the mistake of not checking the facts properly and paid the price. Judge Bromberg said it all “It wasn’t covered by free speech or fair comment provisions because the articles had factual errors, distortions of the truth and inflammatory language."
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Reply #200 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:23am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:06am:

I hope that the outcome of this case will encourage more ethnic groups to challenge those who will throw racial slurs at them.

Let's hope that the middle east crime unit of NSW will be next on the hit list.

We single out certain groups for 'special' treatment or mistreatment. It does nothing to foster good relations between cultures.

oh for gods sake pansi... how about the word POM.,.. will I take everyone to court for calling me a POM..give me strength when are we going to stop babying aboriginies..

if you think this case will foster better relations I think you have lost something in the translation..

racism goes both ways... and we earmark a certain amount of funding for aboriginal affaires.each and every year... its into the billions I believe..

and here you are saying it okay for those with a drop of ethnic blood to draw off the money pot...laughable..

names dont hurt anyway cruel for sure but give as good as you get in most cases..how long do you want the queue at the court houses to be pansi... oh he called me a bad name...come on!!!!..

this gets sillier by the minute..

as for the middle east crime unit.. I do know a little about that... and guess what... there are an awful lot of our ethnic chums part of that group you are villifying..

try to understand those decent upstanding members like aboriginies and middle eastern people are also sick of the disrepute thats brought onto the whole of them by the few.

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Reply #201 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:33am

I agree with Bolt when he says....

This is a terrible day for free speech in this country," Bolt said outside court.

"It is particularly a restriction on the freedom of all Australians to discuss multiculturalism and how people identify themselves."

Australia is so diverse now with so many different cultural & genetic heritages that we're all going to be tiptoeing around each other too scared to say a word in case we offend. If we say the wrong thing to the wrong person - we can now be hauled off to Court and fined.

Most of the time you don't know whether you're talking to an aborigine or not. Many of them are white and have had the same education and advantages that mainstream society has had.

Ethnic & indigenous people are free to say what they want about us - but we can no longer reciprocate.

This is carrying political correctness too far. I hope Bolt does appeal the decision.

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Reply #202 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:52am

mantra wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:33am:

I agree with Bolt when he says....

This is a terrible day for free speech in this country," Bolt said outside court.

"It is particularly a restriction on the freedom of all Australians to discuss multiculturalism and how people identify themselves."

Australia is so diverse now with so many different cultural & genetic heritages that we're all going to be tiptoeing around each other too scared to say a word in case we offend. If we say the wrong thing to the wrong person - we can now be hauled off to Court and fined.

Most of the time you don't know whether you're talking to an aborigine or not. Many of them are white and have had the same education and advantages that mainstream society has had.

Ethnic & indigenous people are free to say what they want about us - but we can no longer reciprocate.

This is carrying political correctness too far. I hope Bolt does appeal the decision.

Bullshit.....If you or anyone else regardless of their heritage tells outright lies and miss represents the truth in an attempt to smear your reputation you can take them to court for slander.....If you make comments about people's race that are not true you are not entitled to be protected by free speech....Bolt had every right to question multiculturalism and how people identify themselves....What he or no one else has the right to do is lie in an attempt to give a false impression of someone.....How anyone can defend this bloke is beyond reason.....Lies are not covered by free speech!!!

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Reply #203 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:00am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 6:12am:

That's past ridiculous longweekend!

Back to the Bolt saga. I am glad as I'm sure many others are, that we have laws in this country. Laws that have been put in place at some time to protect the citizens of this country.If Bolt, Abbott and others don't like these laws.....

TOUGH TITTIES!!!!!

Actually, they're not there for most citizens - They are there for foreigners and members of approved victim groups.

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Reply #204 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:02am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:06am:

I hope that the outcome of this case will encourage more ethnic groups to challenge those who will throw racial slurs at them.

Let's hope that the middle east crime unit of NSW will be next on the hit list.

We single out certain groups for 'special' treatment or mistreatment. It does nothing to foster good relations between cultures.

So first off you encourage special treatment, and then in the very next breath you condemn it? Make up your mind would ya?

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Reply #205 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:06am

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:52am:

mantra wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:33am:

I agree with Bolt when he says....

This is a terrible day for free speech in this country," Bolt said outside court.

"It is particularly a restriction on the freedom of all Australians to discuss multiculturalism and how people identify themselves."

Australia is so diverse now with so many different cultural & genetic heritages that we're all going to be tiptoeing around each other too scared to say a word in case we offend. If we say the wrong thing to the wrong person - we can now be hauled off to Court and fined.

Most of the time you don't know whether you're talking to an aborigine or not. Many of them are white and have had the same education and advantages that mainstream society has had.

Ethnic & indigenous people are free to say what they want about us - but we can no longer reciprocate.

This is carrying political correctness too far. I hope Bolt does appeal the decision.

Bullshit.....If you or anyone else regardless of their heritage tells outright lies and miss represents the truth in an attempt to smear your reputation you can take them to court for slander.....If you make comments about people's race that are not true you are not entitled to be protected by free speech....Bolt had every right to question multiculturalism and how people identify themselves....What he or no one else has the right to do is lie in an attempt to give a false impression of someone.....How anyone can defend this bloke is beyond reason.....Lies are not covered by free speech!!!

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can you point to the 'outright lies' contained in the artciles?

This is an oft-employed tactic - if you can't refute the message, find some irrelevant technicality, as 99% of people won't bother to find out what those 'factual errors' are.

As far as I can see - their interpretation of a 'factual error' was that becasue a position was unpaid, that they didn't 'do very well' out of it, completelky ignoring the connections and prestige that can be gained by taking these positions on, as though money was the ONLY possible reward.

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Reply #206 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:11am

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#Bolt's case was not about free speech. It was about misuse of journalism to vilify and defame by trashng the truth

Bolt has every right to press his case just not in the manner he went about it. The judgment is is NOT a breach of freedom of speech. It is to try a reinforcement of it.

Remember with greater power comes greater responsibility, and Bolt should have been more responsible in his wording.

So, as I said there is a fine line to cross and people like Bolt over step it and may spoil it for others.

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Reply #207 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:15am

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#Bolt's case was not about free speech. It was about misuse of journalism to vilify and defame by trashng the truth

Bolt has every right to press his case just not in the manner he went about it. The judgment is is NOT a breach of freedom of speech. It is to try a reinforcement of it.
Remember with greater power comes greater responsibility, and Bolt should have been more responsible in his wording.

So, as I said there is a fine line to cross and people like Bolt over step it and may spoil it for others.

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Reply #208 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:19am

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JulianBurnside julianburnside
#Bolt's case was not about free speech. It was about misuse of journalism to vilify and defame by trashng the truth

Bolt has every right to press his case just not in the manner he went about it. The judgment is is NOT a breach of freedom of speech. It is to try a reinforcement of it.
Remember with greater power comes greater responsibility, and Bolt should have been more responsible in his wording.

So, as I said there is a fine line to cross and people like Bolt over step it and may spoil it for others.

Remember that , one day it may be you or one of your kids...in the article.

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Reply #209 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:19am

Does any one in the real world really need Bolt to tell them that people use whatever tinny % of aboriginality they have in them to gain advantage as these people have done?

What about Bolts right to be protected from the attack from the opposing barrister?

I’m glad the HS is standing by Bolt.

I hope they appeal.

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