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Reply #210 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:22am

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#Bolt's case was not about free speech. It was about misuse of journalism to vilify and defame by trashng the truth

Bolt has every right to press his case just not in the manner he went about it. The judgment is is NOT a breach of freedom of speech. It is to try a reinforcement of it.
Remember with greater power comes greater responsibility, and Bolt should have been more responsible in his wording.

So, as I said there is a fine line to cross and people like Bolt over step it and may spoil it for others.

Remember that , one day it may be you or one of your kids...in the article.

Yep probably - and I'll hold you white sellouts personally responsible.

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########## Ex Member	Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty Reply #211 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:33am As I have just read on a tweet; @GrogsGamut If Bolt had his facts right he would have written a piece so different there would have been no case
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Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty
Reply #213 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:44am

FriYAY wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:19am:

No one should be banned for saying JFC.

A mod's religious beliefs are secondary.

Poor form LW. Sad

it was gimmes 291st offence. that statement was simply the last straw. id do the same if someone was deeply blasphemous about other religions. we can complain, oppose, mock and do all those kinds of things about religion. but there IS a line and that was over it.

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philperth2010 Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 20165 Perth Gender:	Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty Reply #214 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:58am Get the facts, or the facts will get you. And when you get them, get them right, or they will get you wrong. Dr. Thomas Fuller (1654 - 1734), Gnomologia, 1732 Bolt has none to blame but himself!!!
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Reply #215 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 11:22am

I think Bolt went a little OTT with his article...but still a lot of it is factual.
A friend of mine was interested in a job with the chamber of commerce a couple of years ago, but was told she couldn't apply as the position was reserved for an aborigine person. Imagine the uproar if that was reversed and the position was reserved for a whitey.

Sadly, RACISM is the new word for TRUTH.

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Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty
Reply #216 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 11:57am

... wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:06am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:52am:

mantra wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:33am:

I agree with Bolt when he says....

This is a terrible day for free speech in this country," Bolt said outside court.

"It is particularly a restriction on the freedom of all Australians to discuss multiculturalism and how people identify themselves."

Australia is so diverse now with so many different cultural & genetic heritages that we're all going to be tiptoeing around each other too scared to say a word in case we offend. If we say the wrong thing to the wrong person - we can now be hauled off to Court and fined.

Most of the time you don't know whether you're talking to an aborigine or not. Many of them are white and have had the same education and advantages that mainstream society has had.

Ethnic & indigenous people are free to say what they want about us - but we can no longer reciprocate.

This is carrying political correctness too far. I hope Bolt does appeal the decision.

Bullshit.....If you or anyone else regardless of their heritage tells outright lies and miss represents the truth in an attempt to smear your reputation you can take them to court for slander.....If you make comments about people's race that are not true you are not entitled to be protected by free speech....Bolt had every right to question multiculturalism and how people identify themselves....What he or no one else has the right to do is lie in an attempt to give a false impression of someone.....How anyone can defend this bloke is beyond reason.....Lies are not covered by free speech!!!

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can you point to the 'outright lies' contained in the artciles?

This is an oft-employed tactic - if you can't refute the message, find some irrelevant technicality, as 99% of people won't bother to find out what those 'factual errors' are.

As far as I can see - their interpretation of a 'factual error' was that becasue a position was unpaid, that they didn't 'do very well' out of it, completelky ignoring the connections and prestige that can be gained by taking these positions on, as though money was the ONLY possible reward.

I already gave you one example but you ignored it.

That is an oft employed tactic when the facts dont suit your preconceived bias.

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Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty
Reply #217 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 12:00pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:44am:

FriYAY wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:19am:

No one should be banned for saying JFC.

A mod's religious beliefs are secondary.

Poor form LW. Sad

it was gimmes 291st offence. that statement was simply the last straw. id do the same if someone was deeply blasphemous about other religions. we can complain, oppose, mock and do all those kinds of things about religion. but there IS a line and that was over it.

then ban him anywhere from his first offence to his 290th for 290 reasons but DONT ban him for "blasphemy".

Your religious hat should be taken off when you put on the moderator hat.

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Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty
Reply #218 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 12:02pm

darkhall67 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

... wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:06am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:52am:

mantra wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:33am:

I agree with Bolt when he says....

This is a terrible day for free speech in this country," Bolt said outside court.

"It is particularly a restriction on the freedom of all Australians to discuss multiculturalism and how people identify themselves."

Australia is so diverse now with so many different cultural & genetic heritages that we're all going to be tiptoeing around each other too scared to say a word in case we offend. If we say the wrong thing to the wrong person - we can now be hauled off to Court and fined.

Most of the time you don't know whether you're talking to an aborigine or not. Many of them are white and have had the same education and advantages that mainstream society has had.

Ethnic & indigenous people are free to say what they want about us - but we can no longer reciprocate.

This is carrying political correctness too far. I hope Bolt does appeal the decision.

Bullshit.....If you or anyone else regardless of their heritage tells outright lies and miss represents the truth in an attempt to smear your reputation you can take them to court for slander.....If you make comments about people's race that are not true you are not entitled to be protected by free speech....Bolt had every right to question multiculturalism and how people identify themselves....What he or no one else has the right to do is lie in an attempt to give a false impression of someone.....How anyone can defend this bloke is beyond reason.....Lies are not covered by free speech!!!

Angry

False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil.
Plato (427 BC - 347 BC), Dialogues, Phaedo

can you point to the 'outright lies' contained in the artciles?

This is an oft-employed tactic - if you can't refute the message, find some irrelevant technicality, as 99% of people won't bother to find out what those 'factual errors' are.

As far as I can see - their interpretation of a 'factual error' was that becasue a position was unpaid, that they didn't 'do very well' out of it, completelky ignoring the connections and prestige that can be gained by taking these positions on, as though money was the ONLY possible reward.

I already gave you one example but you ignored it.

That is an oft employed tactic when the facts dont suit your preconceived bias.

wesley if you want the facts and the lies of Bolts article , they are out there in the news as we type.

I have already pasted the link to http://anitaheissblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/my-statement-on-todays-in-in-federal....

'In his witness statement to the court Mr Bolt claimed to have used a photo of my mother on her wedding day as evidence to determine she, therefore I was of mixed-heritage and could not or should not identify as Aboriginal. The photo Bolt submitted was taken directly from my blog and a post I made on February 7, 2011, almost two years after he wrote his article, so his misrepresentations about me continued.

and ;

http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opinion/politics/in-black-and-white-andrew-bolt-trif...

'that Behrendt's father was a black Australian, not a white German. And like all the others, Behrendt was raised black. Judge Bromberg wrote: "She denies Mr Bolt's suggestion that she chose to be Aboriginal and says that she never had a choice, she has always been Aboriginal and has 'identified as Aboriginal since before I can remember'." Bolt didn't contest her evidence.

The nine chose not to sue.

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Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty
Reply #219 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 12:07pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 7:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 10:55am:

Geoff Clark: professional complainer and racial whinger.

Geoff Clark doesn't even look Aboriginal, for crying out loud! Bolt had a point and it's a shame that what he said can now be found to be illegal.

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Victoria's new governor, Alex Chernov, may CLAIM to be "Jewish" in his official biography - but he doesn't even LOOK Jewish

A "real Jew" would have a bigger HONKER

His SCAM is to gain influence in the rich, Jewish "high society"

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Reply #220 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 12:13pm

darkhall67 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

... wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:06am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:52am:

mantra wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:33am:

I agree with Bolt when he says....

This is a terrible day for free speech in this country," Bolt said outside court.

"It is particularly a restriction on the freedom of all Australians to discuss multiculturalism and how people identify themselves."

Australia is so diverse now with so many different cultural & genetic heritages that we're all going to be tiptoeing around each other too scared to say a word in case we offend. If we say the wrong thing to the wrong person - we can now be hauled off to Court and fined.

Most of the time you don't know whether you're talking to an aborigine or not. Many of them are white and have had the same education and advantages that mainstream society has had.

Ethnic & indigenous people are free to say what they want about us - but we can no longer reciprocate.

This is carrying political correctness too far. I hope Bolt does appeal the decision.

Bullshit.....If you or anyone else regardless of their heritage tells outright lies and miss represents the truth in an attempt to smear your reputation you can take them to court for slander.....If you make comments about people's race that are not true you are not entitled to be protected by free speech....Bolt had every right to question multiculturalism and how people identify themselves....What he or no one else has the right to do is lie in an attempt to give a false impression of someone.....How anyone can defend this bloke is beyond reason.....Lies are not covered by free speech!!!

Angry

False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil.
Plato (427 BC - 347 BC), Dialogues, Phaedo

can you point to the 'outright lies' contained in the artciles?

This is an oft-employed tactic - if you can't refute the message, find some irrelevant technicality, as 99% of people won't bother to find out what those 'factual errors' are.

As far as I can see - their interpretation of a 'factual error' was that becasue a position was unpaid, that they didn't 'do very well' out of it, completelky ignoring the connections and prestige that can be gained by taking these positions on, as though money was the ONLY possible reward.

I already gave you one example but you ignored it.That is an oft employed tactic when the facts dont suit your preconceived bias.

Did you? I honestly missed it. Which post number?

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########## Ex Member	Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty Reply #221 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 12:15pm We could all look at the alternative If Bolt had won – he could possibly deride any people he sees fit. It would have given him, and other journalist, an open season tick of approval...
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Reply #223 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 12:20pm

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darkhall67 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

... wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:06am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:52am:

mantra wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:33am:

I agree with Bolt when he says....

This is a terrible day for free speech in this country," Bolt said outside court.

"It is particularly a restriction on the freedom of all Australians to discuss multiculturalism and how people identify themselves."

Australia is so diverse now with so many different cultural & genetic heritages that we're all going to be tiptoeing around each other too scared to say a word in case we offend. If we say the wrong thing to the wrong person - we can now be hauled off to Court and fined.

Most of the time you don't know whether you're talking to an aborigine or not. Many of them are white and have had the same education and advantages that mainstream society has had.

Ethnic & indigenous people are free to say what they want about us - but we can no longer reciprocate.

This is carrying political correctness too far. I hope Bolt does appeal the decision.

Bullshit.....If you or anyone else regardless of their heritage tells outright lies and miss represents the truth in an attempt to smear your reputation you can take them to court for slander.....If you make comments about people's race that are not true you are not entitled to be protected by free speech....Bolt had every right to question multiculturalism and how people identify themselves....What he or no one else has the right to do is lie in an attempt to give a false impression of someone.....How anyone can defend this bloke is beyond reason.....Lies are not covered by free speech!!!

Angry

False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil.
Plato (427 BC - 347 BC), Dialogues, Phaedo

can you point to the 'outright lies' contained in the artciles?

This is an oft-employed tactic - if you can't refute the message, find some irrelevant technicality, as 99% of people won't bother to find out what those 'factual errors' are.

As far as I can see - their interpretation of a 'factual error' was that becasue a position was unpaid, that they didn't 'do very well' out of it, completelky ignoring the connections and prestige that can be gained by taking these positions on, as though money was the ONLY possible reward.

I already gave you one example but you ignored it.

That is an oft employed tactic when the facts dont suit your preconceived bias.

wesley if you want the facts and the lies of Bolts article , they are out there in the news as we type.

I have already pasted the link to http://anitaheissblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/my-statement-on-todays-in-in-federal....

'In his witness statement to the court Mr Bolt claimed to have used a photo of my mother on her wedding day as evidence to determine she, therefore I was of mixed-heritage and could not or should not identify as Aboriginal. The photo Bolt submitted was taken directly from my blog and a post I made on February 7, 2011, almost two years after he wrote his article, so his misrepresentations about me continued.
and ;

http://www.nationaltimes.com.au/opinion/politics/in-black-and-white-andrew-bolt-trif...

'that Behrendt's father was a black Australian, not a white German. And like all the others, Behrendt was raised black. Judge Bromberg wrote: "She denies Mr Bolt's suggestion that she chose to be Aboriginal and says that she never had a choice, she has always been Aboriginal and has 'identified as Aboriginal since before I can remember'." Bolt didn't contest her evidence.

The nine chose not to sue.

and this is central to the case....how?

as I said:

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This is an oft-employed tactic - if you can't refute the message, find some irrelevant technicality, as 99% of people won't bother to find out what those 'factual errors' are.

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Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty
Reply #224 - Sep 29^th, 2011 at 12:28pm

... wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 12:13pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

... wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 10:06am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:52am:

mantra wrote on Sep 29^th, 2011 at 9:33am:

I agree with Bolt when he says....

This is a terrible day for free speech in this country," Bolt said outside court.

"It is particularly a restriction on the freedom of all Australians to discuss multiculturalism and how people identify themselves."

Australia is so diverse now with so many different cultural & genetic heritages that we're all going to be tiptoeing around each other too scared to say a word in case we offend. If we say the wrong thing to the wrong person - we can now be hauled off to Court and fined.

Most of the time you don't know whether you're talking to an aborigine or not. Many of them are white and have had the same education and advantages that mainstream society has had.

Ethnic & indigenous people are free to say what they want about us - but we can no longer reciprocate.

This is carrying political correctness too far. I hope Bolt does appeal the decision.

Bullshit.....If you or anyone else regardless of their heritage tells outright lies and miss represents the truth in an attempt to smear your reputation you can take them to court for slander.....If you make comments about people's race that are not true you are not entitled to be protected by free speech....Bolt had every right to question multiculturalism and how people identify themselves....What he or no one else has the right to do is lie in an attempt to give a false impression of someone.....How anyone can defend this bloke is beyond reason.....Lies are not covered by free speech!!!

Angry

False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil.
Plato (427 BC - 347 BC), Dialogues, Phaedo

can you point to the 'outright lies' contained in the artciles?

This is an oft-employed tactic - if you can't refute the message, find some irrelevant technicality, as 99% of people won't bother to find out what those 'factual errors' are.

As far as I can see - their interpretation of a 'factual error' was that becasue a position was unpaid, that they didn't 'do very well' out of it, completelky ignoring the connections and prestige that can be gained by taking these positions on, as though money was the ONLY possible reward.

I already gave you one example but you ignored it.That is an oft employed tactic when the facts dont suit your preconceived bias.

Did you? I honestly missed it. Which post number?

179

and you replied to it at around 190

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