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Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty
Reply #60 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:40pm

FriYAY wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:39pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:28pm:

Who would have thought a court of law would find Bolt was a compulsive liar and racist?
This bloke is a dog pure and simple

"In concluding the eight day proceedings, counsel for the plaintiffs conceded Bolt's writings did not incite “racial vilification or racial hatred”, rather they “constituted highly personal, highly derogatory and highly offensive attacks” on the nine individuals"

No mention of lies... Wink

Perhaps what really offended them was people learning the truth? Tongue

What truth? That Bolt is a derogatory, highly offensive maniac?

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Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty
Reply #61 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:41pm

Grey wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:05pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

... wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 11:48am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 11:47am:

... wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 11:44am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 11:42am:

... wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 11:41am:

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Wes, I'm not going to go through Bolt's articles. I usually enjoy reading them when I'm drunk just to get a good laugh. But as per normal, we can quote all we want to make a point. I'm simply saying that from what I have read from him, I have found him to be more a racist than a protector of human identity.

Perhaps the differnce betwen you and I is that I investiagte things for myself. My motto in my signature is a good oneto live by - give it a whirl.

The reason for that is that you go out and find the one instance that can serve your view. I stick to what I have read and form a overall view from that.

And yet you refuse to read the 'slanderous' article in question. I've even posted a link, it's just a click away.

I've read it before. You want me to read it again?

Not neccessarily - just tell us what part of it is untrue.

Like I said, I don't really care about the plaintiffs and so on, just happy to see the racist spanked finally by the courts.

But if it pleases you, I'll read it when I have some more spare time and come back to you with an opinion on the actual case.

so you dont care about the FACTS of the case, only that Bolt lost? and I guess youthink that entitles you to a credible opinion?

To tell the truth this is the first time this news has crossed my path and I've read only the last couple of posts . But surely if the courts find you guilty it's exceptional that you're not?

Bolt wasnt found guilty of being a racist. his article was determined to offend people. quite the difference.

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Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty
Reply #62 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:43pm

It's a disgraceful verdict, he was making the point that there are a few Aboriginal people who look totally white who insist they are black - so what's wrong with that? He made the mistake of thinking he lives in a free country where we can say what we feel but obviously this is now not the case. These few fools have legally reinforced what we already know - that Aboriginal people are protected and no adverse comments about them will be tolerated. Unfortunately, this will not help their cause. A very bad day for Australia.

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Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty
Reply #63 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:44pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:29pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 11:40am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 11:38am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 11:18am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 11:10am:

While I don't know anything about the plaintiffs in this case, all I can say is that it is great that the idiot Bolt has finally been caught out. Speech that spurs racial hatred or defamation against minorities is not FREE SPEECH.

spurs racial hatred? hardly. you over estimate Bolts influence or power. He appears to have stepped over the line in his article froma legal perspective but he was addressing a common complaint that people make that a large number of aboriginal people - espcially activists - seem to be disturbingly WHITE. 1/16 aboriginal may be aboriginal by law but certianly not by common sense.

Since when has the colour of your skin been the one requirement to be considered aboriginal ?
If it was, any albino abo would be automatically excluded from the race.

Whatever your proportion of abo blood in your body be 1t 100% , 50%, .... 1/16th. Its still in your body. Its in your heritage, and its a defining aspect of who you are. You wear the baggage of that line with you, same as if you were 1/16th Jew or anything else.

An activist doesnt even need to below to a race to advocate positivity towards it.

Doctor...to be fair I'd say the proportion of blood is important... I have like... 5% Polish blood, but that doesn't mean I'm out there saying I'm Polish and demand a Polish citizenship. Likewise, I'm 5% French. And while I'd love to get an EU passport, I'd never be able to.

Thats just a question of where you draw the line.

I have English born grandparents. They moved out here when they were young, and so I have been born and bred Australian for 2 generations (more on the other side of the family).

Yet I can still get an EU passport. Entitling me to travel and earn a lot more overseas than those without. Bolt, and muppets like him, would have me tainted as an imposter. Am I ?

I dont think it should prohibit me from being an activist on british issues either.

but you cant genuinelly claim to be english either. you are of english DESCENT - nothing more.

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Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty
Reply #64 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:45pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:40pm:

FriYAY wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:39pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:28pm:

Who would have thought a court of law would find Bolt was a compulsive liar and racist?
This bloke is a dog pure and simple

"In concluding the eight day proceedings, counsel for the plaintiffs conceded Bolt's writings did not incite “racial vilification or racial hatred”, rather they “constituted highly personal, highly derogatory and highly offensive attacks” on the nine individuals"

No mention of lies... Wink

Perhaps what really offended them was people learning the truth? Tongue

What truth? That Bolt is a derogatory, highly offensive?

That he may be.

No one said he was racist or a compulsive liar or a maniac. That is all loop supposition. Or made up hysteria.

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Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty
Reply #66 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:46pm

FriYAY wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:40pm:

FriYAY wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:39pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:28pm:

Who would have thought a court of law would find Bolt was a compulsive liar and racist?
This bloke is a dog pure and simple

"In concluding the eight day proceedings, counsel for the plaintiffs conceded Bolt's writings did not incite “racial vilification or racial hatred”, rather they “constituted highly personal, highly derogatory and highly offensive attacks” on the nine individuals"

No mention of lies... Wink

Perhaps what really offended them was people learning the truth? Tongue

What truth? That Bolt is a derogatory, highly offensive?

That he may be.

No one said he was racist or a compulsive liar or a maniac. That is all loop supposition. Or made up hysteria.

And yet he was found to have contravened the racial discrimination act. ... Still just loop suppositon? hysteria? Grin

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Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty
Reply #67 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:46pm

toots wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:43pm:

It's a disgraceful verdict, he was making the point that there are a few Aboriginal people who look totally white who insist they are black - so what's wrong with that? He made the mistake of thinking he lives in a free country where we can say what we feel but obviously this is now not the case. These few fools have legally reinforced what we already know - that Aboriginal people are protected and no adverse comments about them will be tolerated. Unfortunately, this will not help their cause. A very bad day for Australia.

it does seem a little unfair. what he said wasnt fundamentally inaccurate and reflects a common complaint that a number of 'aboriginals' in fact really arent at all but again only of aboriginal descent - a huge difference.

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Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty
Reply #68 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:50pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:46pm:

No one said he was racist or a compulsive liar or a maniac. That is all loop supposition. Or made up hysteria.

And yet he was found to have contravened the racial discrimination [/quote]

No time for your selective garbage.

I didn't mention the contravention of the act.

Just the racist/compulsive liar/maniac comments all the loops are adding to the story.....bye.

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Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty
Reply #69 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:44pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:29pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 11:40am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 11:38am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 11:18am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 11:10am:

While I don't know anything about the plaintiffs in this case, all I can say is that it is great that the idiot Bolt has finally been caught out. Speech that spurs racial hatred or defamation against minorities is not FREE SPEECH.

spurs racial hatred? hardly. you over estimate Bolts influence or power. He appears to have stepped over the line in his article froma legal perspective but he was addressing a common complaint that people make that a large number of aboriginal people - espcially activists - seem to be disturbingly WHITE. 1/16 aboriginal may be aboriginal by law but certianly not by common sense.

Since when has the colour of your skin been the one requirement to be considered aboriginal ?
If it was, any albino abo would be automatically excluded from the race.

Whatever your proportion of abo blood in your body be 1t 100% , 50%, .... 1/16th. Its still in your body. Its in your heritage, and its a defining aspect of who you are. You wear the baggage of that line with you, same as if you were 1/16th Jew or anything else.

An activist doesnt even need to below to a race to advocate positivity towards it.

Doctor...to be fair I'd say the proportion of blood is important... I have like... 5% Polish blood, but that doesn't mean I'm out there saying I'm Polish and demand a Polish citizenship. Likewise, I'm 5% French. And while I'd love to get an EU passport, I'd never be able to.

Thats just a question of where you draw the line.

I have English born grandparents. They moved out here when they were young, and so I have been born and bred Australian for 2 generations (more on the other side of the family).

Yet I can still get an EU passport. Entitling me to travel and earn a lot more overseas than those without. Bolt, and muppets like him, would have me tainted as an imposter. Am I ?

I dont think it should prohibit me from being an activist on british issues either.

but you cant genuinelly claim to be english either. you are of english DESCENT - nothing more.

Plenty of people claim to be "english" and "english decent" at the same time. The terms are generally interchangable.

But Aboriginals are different. If you have aboriginal blood you can legitimately claim a lineage of 1000's of generations of Australians spanning 30,000 years. Part of your make up is about as pure as anything in the world. Its significance shouldnt be parodied by muppets like Bolt to sell a few newspapers.

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Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty
Reply #70 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:54pm

FriYAY wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:50pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:46pm:

No one said he was racist or a compulsive liar or a maniac. That is all loop supposition. Or made up hysteria.

And yet he was found to have contravened the racial discrimination

No time for your selective garbage.

I didn't mention the contravention of the act.

Just the racist/compulsive liar/maniac comments all the loops are adding to the story.....bye.

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If you contravene the racial discrimination act, does that not make you a racist?

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty Reply #71 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:55pm Quote: Part of your make up is about as pure as anything in the world. Its significance shouldnt be parodied by muppets like Bolt to sell a few newspapers. And 'part' of my piss is pure H20. I still don't reckon you'd drink it and say it's just the same as pure spring water.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty Reply #72 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:55pm Substitute anything for 'white' - go to court and get convicted for racial something or other. Post colonian PC - aintcha sick of it.
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barnaby joe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1992 euchareena	Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty Reply #73 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:56pm anti racist is code for anti white why havent more people figured this out yet
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: 'Hard Right' Bolt Is Guilty Reply #74 - Sep 28^th, 2011 at 12:59pm Because they are preening, Emotionallly Correct morons. To twig onto this stupid nonsense is 'not noice''
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