Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 9:02am:


King unveils first Saudi-made car
http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article66337.ece?comments=all



Launch of first car manufacturer in Saudi Arabia (Arabia Net)12/27/2010 
http://asmainfo.com/SAUDI/En/news/shownews.asp?rrid=35791&typ=Sec&ln=En

falah wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 12:21pm:




falah,

That does not qualify as a moslem built car.

Saudi Arabia is NOT a moslem country, YOU said so yourself.



What is it anyway, a Korean knockoff ???

falah wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:



Even Wiki confirms that;    

[the Talmud] takes the form of a record of rabbinic discussions



And the Talmud is not 'authorised', by the God of Israel.





Psalms 1:1
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2  But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.


The law of who ?????


Psalms 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.


The testimony of who ?????

Yadda wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 11:37am:


You are a joker Yadda. It is obviously Jews and Christians who have abandoned the laws of God. Not one Christian or Jew today enforces the Bible's law on adultery.


These verses were revealed after the Arabian Jews came to Prophet Muhammed and asked him what they should do with their own adulterers. Prophet Muhammed asked them what their own scripture said regarding adultery. The Jews covered the punishemnt verses with their hands as they read. A Jewish convert to islam, Abdullah ibn Shalom, then pointed out that the Jews were hiding the verses regarding the punishment. Prophet Muhammed ordered that the Jews follow their own scripture, and carry out the punishment. The Jews were furious.


41. O Prophet (Muhammad )! Let not those who hurry to fall into disbelief grieve you, of such who say: "We believe" with their mouths but their hearts have no faith. And of the Jews are men who listen much and eagerly to lies - listen to others who have not come to you. They change the words from their places; they say, "If you are given this, take it, but if you are not given this, then beware!" And whomsoever Fod wants to put in a trial or tribulation, you can do nothing for him against God. Those are the ones whose hearts God does not want to purify (from disbelief and hypocrisy); for them there is a disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a great torment.

42. They like to listen to falsehood, to devour anything forbidden. So if they come to you, either judge between them, or turn away from them. If you turn away from them, they cannot hurt you in the least. And if you judge, judge with justice between them. Verily, God loves those who act justly.

43. But how do they come to you for decision while they have the Torah, in which is the (unambiguous) Decision of God; yet even after that, they turn away. For they are not (really) believers.

44. Verily, We ("we" is used in the royal royal sense by God) did send down the Torah, therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to God's Will, judged the Jews, as did the rabbis and the (early) priests [judged the Jews by the Torah after those Prophets], for to them was entrusted the upholding of God's Book, and they were witnesses thereto. Therefore fear not men but fear Me (O Jews) and sell not My verses for a miserable price, and those who judge by other than what God has revealed, those, they are the Disbelievers!"

45. And We ordained therein for them: "Life for life , eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which God has revealed, such are the wrong-doing oppressors.

46. And in their footsteps, We sent Jesus, son of Mary, confirming the Torah that had come before him, and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Torah that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for the pious.

47. Let the people of the Gospel judge by what God has revealed therein. And whosoever does not judge by what God has revealed, such are the rebellious people (i.e. disobedient to God).

48. And We have sent down to you the Book (this Qur'an) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and it is trustworthy in highness, and a witness over it (old Scriptures) . So judge between them by what God has revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging away from the truth that has come to you. To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way. If God willed, He would have made you one nation, but that (He) may test you in what He has given you; so strive as in a race in good deeds. The return of you (all) is to God; then He will inform you about that in which you used to differ.

The Qur'an, al-Ma'idah,

falah wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:



LOL


falah,

And that, is the testimony of who ???

Honest moslems ???

Moslems, who are renowned for never, or rarely, telling lies ???

Afraid not.

Moslems are renowned, for their lying testimony.

So unless you have some other substantiation falah, i cannot accept their testimony.i
falah wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:



In my experience, the accusations which moslems make against others, are invariably the precise crime which moslems themselves have committed.

Moslems blame others, making others scapegoats, for their moslem crimes.i

falah wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:


Moslems themselves, have rejected the testimony of OT scripture [the Torah], which scripture, their very own Koran claims, [the Torah] came from God.

And in that, moslems are a witness against themselves.i



falah wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:



Again, moslems themselves, have rejected the testimony of OT scripture [the Torah], which scripture, their very own Koran claims, [the Torah] came from God.

And in that, moslems are a witness against themselves.

falah wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:


Maybe the jews and christians think it is wrong to stone consenting adults to death for adultery...
The christians stopped killing heretics hundreds of years ago as well.

Where in the Quran does it say people are to be stoned to death for adultery Falah i could not find any verse saying muslims should do this?

If the Quran has no verse authorising stoning for adultery then why do muslims say stoning is the prescribed punishment?

Yadda you are a hypocrite. Your own Bible canctions slave owners having intercourse with their slavegirls.

You only follow your own desires. You follow the Bible when it suits you, then you disown it when it does not.

Did not Prophet Abraham have child through the slavewoman Hagar?

also the Bible says:

17 Then Abraham prayed to God, and God healed Abimelech, his wife and his slave girls so they could have children again

Genesis 20




7 “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.
8 If she does not satisfy her owner, he must allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.

Exodus 21








Similarly, the Quran allows sexual relations with slavegirls:

"Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-  

Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (slaves): Thus hath God ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and God is All-knowing, All-wise. (The Quran, 4:23-24)"




However, the Quran forbids forcing slaves to have sex (something I didn't see forbidden in the Bible):


Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:  "Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came (to prophet Muhammed) and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "[highlight]But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity)." [/highlight](Quran, 24:33)"  (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2304)"

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 3:32pm:


So in their arrogance, they think that they know better than God Almighty?

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 3:32pm:


“...nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment...

[al-Furqaan 25:69]


‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (a companion of Prophet Muhammed and the 3rd Roshidoon Caliph) said, when he was sitting on the pulpit of the Prophet of Allaah (Muhammed): “God sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with the truth, and revealed to him the Book. One of the things that He revealed was the verse of stoning, which we have read and understood. The Prophet of God  carried out the punishment of stoning and we did so after him. I fear that as time goes by, people will say, ‘We do not find any mention of stoning in the Book of God (Quran),’ so they will go astray by forsaking an obligation that was revealed by God. In the Book of God, stoning is the punishment deserved by any previously-married person, man or woman, who commits adultery, if proof is established, or pregnancy results, or he or she confesses.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2462; Muslim, 1691)


O ye who believe, obey God, and obey the Prophet, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Prophet, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day: that is best, and most suitable for final determination. (Quran 4: 59).