Australian Politics Forum - Abbott at all time LOW

##########

Ex Member

Re: Abbott at all time LOW
Reply #15 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:48am

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:21am:

Quote:

Just finished reading an article calling the Opposition, The Worst Ever .

Which brings it to the current Coalition opposition.To date they have not been able to stop a single piece of legislation going through the parliament of this supposedly “do nothing” government.

Plus, when you strip away all the spin and emotive language , focus on the facts, what have they actually achieved?

No Government ministers have been stood down, no politicians have been sacked, no legislation has been amended in their favour, no legislation has been blocked and most importantly no early election has been called.

For all Abbott’s bluster and slogans , he has yet to do anything at all in this Parliament , except to be an attraction for a weak minded Media.

True, but he's managed to bring the agenda over to his side. I still don't know how he's done it, but it's masterful politics.

He has made Labor follow his every move, but he's kept the focus on their ineptitude. It really is genius. Why would the Libs up and change to Turnbull, a man most of them hate?

So, is it fair to say;

In short, this Opposition has “apparently” thrived on mindless negativity, fear-mongering, empty slogans and poisonous rhetoric .

Back to top

IP Logged

cods

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88048

Re: Abbott at all time LOW
Reply #16 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:01am

Quote:

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:21am:

Quote:

Just finished reading an article calling the Opposition, The Worst Ever .

Which brings it to the current Coalition opposition.To date they have not been able to stop a single piece of legislation going through the parliament of this supposedly “do nothing” government.

Plus, when you strip away all the spin and emotive language , focus on the facts, what have they actually achieved?

No Government ministers have been stood down, no politicians have been sacked, no legislation has been amended in their favour, no legislation has been blocked and most importantly no early election has been called.

For all Abbott’s bluster and slogans , he has yet to do anything at all in this Parliament , except to be an attraction for a weak minded Media.

True, but he's managed to bring the agenda over to his side. I still don't know how he's done it, but it's masterful politics.

He has made Labor follow his every move, but he's kept the focus on their ineptitude. It really is genius. Why would the Libs up and change to Turnbull, a man most of them hate?

So, is it fair to say;

In short, this Opposition has “apparently” thrived on mindless negativity, fear-mongering, empty slogans and poisonous rhetoric .

so Labor is thriving on abbotts ineptitude...WOW theres me thinking the 29% think its because of the govts amazing ability to run this country...

not so its all because of the lousy opposition..WOW again..

funny how they never take a look at the independents just to prove who is actually running the show?????

I mean she gets their vote before anything is taken to the govt...who would have thought they would have voted for MALAYSIA???

we knew of course the greens wouldnt.... but the indies.. well we shall never know shall we?..she doesnt want us to know.. she thinks we are idiots.. I hate that...

but keep on rubbishing the opposition... seems to me they are doing a better job than labor did for 12 years...but lets not go there.

who will ever forget latham..cringe worthy.

Back to top

IP Logged

skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Abbott at all time LOW Reply #17 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:08am So, is it fair to say; In short, this Opposition has “apparently” thrived on mindless negativity, fear-mongering, empty slogans and poisonous rhetoric Yes, but you have to give them creidt, they're very good at it.
Back to top	freedivers other forum- POLITICAL ANIMAL Click onWWW below IP Logged

Armchair_Politician

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 26420
Gender: male

Re: Abbott at all time LOW
Reply #18 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:10am

skippy. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:08am:

So, is it fair to say;

In short, this Opposition has “apparently” thrived on mindless negativity, fear-mongering, empty slogans and poisonous rhetoric
Yes, but you have to give them creidt, they're very good at it.

Working families, working families, working families. How many times did we hear that empty slogan in Labors election campaign?

Back to top

IP Logged

##########

Ex Member

Re: Abbott at all time LOW
Reply #19 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:17am

Another interesting take from an article I was just reading. I leave it with you;

'How can Abbott’s Liberals be called “conservative” or “pro-business” after this?
Posted on 15 October, 2011 by Jeremy| 6 Comment

They call themselves “conservatives”, but they’re trashing one of the most cherished, long-standing and critical traditions of government in Australia – that citizens and business can work with Australian governments because when, as is inevitable in a democracy, that party eventually loses power, its successor will honour the previous government’s commitments.

But Tony Abbott doesn’t like that tradition. He’d rather a system where businesses are punished by the Liberal Party for working with any other government. Where businesses have to choose whether to sabotage themselves now, under the Labor government, by not arranging their business to work best under the carbon price arrangement – or work with the government of the day and then, if Abbott becomes Prime Minister, have their investments declared worthless.

If you dare participate in this scheme, says Tony Abbott – we will do everything in our power to ensure you get nothing.'

Back to top

IP Logged

Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Abbott at all time LOW Reply #20 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:18am I bet Gillard would love these lows
Back to top	Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number IP Logged

GoddyofOz Gold Member Offline Vote 1 for Sex, cause you're gay if you don't Posts: 2397	Re: Abbott at all time LOW Reply #21 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:25am If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious. I know what I want for Christmas, Santa.
Back to top	"A Conservative is a man who just sits and thinks, mostly just sits." - Woodrow Wilson. True Patriotism is serving your country all the time, and serving your Politicians when they deserve it. IP Logged

skippy.

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 20882
Gender: male

Re: Abbott at all time LOW
Reply #22 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:28am

GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:25am:

If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious.

I know what I want for Christmas, Santa.

You can already see they are worried, I'm not surprised, if Abbott is going backwards against the worst polling PM in history how bad is he? Grin

I dont think Gillard will survive until the next election, but I'm CERTAIN Abbott wont. Grin

Back to top

freedivers other forum- POLITICAL ANIMAL
Click onWWW below

IP Logged

Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Abbott at all time LOW Reply #23 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:30am GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:25am: If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious. I know what I want for Christmas, Santa. It's taken 6 months for Gillard to gain 1% Bring on Xmas 2012 and it wouldn't make a difference
Back to top	Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number IP Logged

Dsmithy70

Gold Member

Offline

ire futuis vobismetipsis

Posts: 13147
Newy
Gender: male

Re: Abbott at all time LOW
Reply #24 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:38am

Maqqa wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:30am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:25am:

If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious.

I know what I want for Christmas, Santa.

It's taken 6 months for Gillard to gain 1%

Bring on Xmas 2012 and it wouldn't make a difference Cool

What happens at Xmas 2012?

Back to top

REBELLION is not what most people think it is.
REBELLION is when you turn off the TV & start educating & thinking for yourself.
Gavin Nascimento

IP Logged

longweekend58

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male

Re: Abbott at all time LOW
Reply #25 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 12:21pm

Some of the truly bonehead in-denial comments in this thread are breathtaking.

The coalitions PRIMARY vote has risen to 51% and labor has risen to 29%. on what planet are these good polls for labor and bad polls for abbott? Many of you dont seem to get the significant of getting over 50% of the vote. that is a CLEAR MAJORITY without reference to any other parties. If carried across every electorate (it wont tho) the coalition would win 150 out of 150 seats.

These current polls could see labor lose as many as 40 seats or more. While you lot are commenting on prefrerred PM figures - a figure that is irrelevant - you are ignoring the train wreck heading your way.

The next election is shaping up to be worse than whitlam by quite a margin.

and you lot are happy??

weird.

Back to top

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

IP Logged

longweekend58

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male

Re: Abbott at all time LOW
Reply #26 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 12:22pm

skippy. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:28am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:25am:

If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious.

I know what I want for Christmas, Santa.

You can already see they are worried, I'm not surprised, if Abbott is going backwards against the worst polling PM in history how bad is he? Grin

I dont think Gillard will survive until the next election, but I'm CERTAIN Abbott wont. Grin

and you are a political science student???? good grief. you lack of understanding of political fundamentals is amazing.

Back to top

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

IP Logged

skippy.

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 20882
Gender: male

Re: Abbott at all time LOW
Reply #27 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 12:24pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

skippy. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:28am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:25am:

If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious.

I know what I want for Christmas, Santa.

You can already see they are worried, I'm not surprised, if Abbott is going backwards against the worst polling PM in history how bad is he? Grin

I dont think Gillard will survive until the next election, but I'm CERTAIN Abbott wont. Grin

and you are a political science student???? good grief. you lack of understanding of political fundamentals is amazing.

nice troll but no cigar, you'll be proven wrong just like you always are.

Back to top

freedivers other forum- POLITICAL ANIMAL
Click onWWW below

IP Logged

Karnal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 96670

Re: Abbott at all time LOW
Reply #28 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 12:26pm

FriYAY wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:35am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:14am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:05am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 8:56am:

Labor's minority status has made it take decisions it would never have dreamed of before. We now have a carbon tax and onshore processing.

Satire with out knowledge = ?? not sure? Garbage?

You think?

Labor came in with no climate change policy and a vague stance of offshore processing. It played the small target, based on internal polling and focus groups.

When it became a minority government, I thought we'd see government grind to a halt. I thought we'd see no policies of any substance enacted. I thought government would be a mere stamp for the public service.

And yet, the Greens and independants have forced them to act - at a huge cost to Labor. Where previously, Labor would have been happy to feed refugees to the sharks and do nothing about climate change - their policy was a white paper, a conference, and wait for something to happen. However, Labor have been made, by forces akin to nature, to act.

You don't see that happen very often.

All I see is a minority government trying to stay in power by bowing to parties and independents SFA of us voted for.

I am sure many in the ALP wanted exactly what has happened, carbon tax and on shore processing. The right factions not so much. But both have been well and truly on the radar, starting with Rudd.

You got it. All of us voted for an ETS in 2007. Rudd's stance was to just keep quiet about boat arrivals and hope it would all go away.

I'm sure if Alan Jones and the Telegraph ran campaigns on bringing back the death penalty, people would be screaming about that too.

As Howard loved to say, government is about making decisions that can be unpopular, but are in the nation's interests.

I'm not really sure why the carbon tax is so unpopular. Households are being compensated. The changes will be miniscule. This is a tax on polluters, not households - and I'm above the tax threshold for compensation anyway so I'll be slugged more than most.

I'll hazzard a guess: Alan Jones and the Telegraph. Tony Abbott is riding a "grassroots" protest movement started by them. I agree with Gillard: it's the CSIRO or Alan. She's picked the CSIRO, something she never would have done if she had her own way. It took the Greens and independants to make her do it.

If you don't think global warming is a reality, I can see why you'd be a tad annoyed. But it will hardly effect you anyway. Onshore processing? You'll never notice the difference. We had this back in the 80s when the Vietnamese boat arrivals were coming. No one was too concerned then.

We're taking in numbers that we'd be taking in anyway. No major political party is talking about cutting the refugee intake. In fact, Labor and Liberal (Abbott, in particular) have both discussed raising the quota.

The Right faction of the ALP is about "whatever it takes" to stay in power. It was this faction that ousted Rudd. It is this faction that is poisoning politics with its ethical compass driven solely by polling. If they continue to have their way, Alan Jones might as well be PM.

Alan was the one, if you remember, who thought Gillard was great because she took on the teachers' unions. In a roundabout way, it was his say-so that got her in.

Democracy in this country is not about the "silent majority". It's about swinging voters in marginal seats. Sometimes governments should act without this minority in mind. Sure, they can throw them a few scraps every now and then when elections come around - but they've wised up to this tactic. It doesn't work as well after Howard overdosed them on middle class welfare.

Mind you, none of this will get Gillard or Labor back in. If they had have done all this back when Rudd was in - and explained it well - they'd have had a chance. They should have captured the momentum when they had it, and they should have made the tough decisions. If you believe the polls, it's what the majority of people wanted them to do anyway.

But they blew it when Rudd went back on the ETS, and they blew it when they knifed Rudd. They are now seen as a party without a heart, a narrative, and a majority in parliament who must bend to the whims of others.

Not to mention competance. Still, a little incompetance is something people forgive if you can show you've got ticker.

The ALP have showed spinelessness from day one, and this comes down to the politics of its Right faction.

Back to top

« Last Edit: Oct 17^th, 2011 at 12:34pm by Karnal »

IP Logged

longweekend58

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 45675
Gender: male

Re: Abbott at all time LOW
Reply #29 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 12:27pm

skippy. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 12:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

skippy. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:28am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:25am:

If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious.

I know what I want for Christmas, Santa.

You can already see they are worried, I'm not surprised, if Abbott is going backwards against the worst polling PM in history how bad is he? Grin

I dont think Gillard will survive until the next election, but I'm CERTAIN Abbott wont. Grin

and you are a political science student???? good grief. you lack of understanding of political fundamentals is amazing.

nice troll but no cigar, you'll be proven wrong just like you always are.

I understand you are intimidated by Abbotts mastery of his job and the way he took the coalition from 16points down to 23% UP, but that is still no reason to be quite so silly. IN fact, not one single analyst is pointing to Abbott being replaced and for good reason. HE IS WINNING AND INCREASING HIS MARGIN.

Back to top

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

IP Logged