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Abbott at all time LOW
Oct 17^th, 2011 at 8:44am

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THE Gillard government has enjoyed a boost in support despite the chaos of last week, but it would still be trounced should an election be held today.

The latest Herald/Nielsen poll finds Labor's primary vote has jumped 3 percentage points in a month to 30 per cent, a small increase but psychologically significant because it is the first time since May Labor's first preference vote has been in the 30s.

The Coalition's primary vote was steady at 48 per cent, giving it a two-party-preferred lead over Labor of 57 per cent to 43 per cent.

The poll also shows Kevin Rudd remains twice as popular as preferred Labor leader compared with either Ms Gillard or the only other likely contender, Stephen Smith.

Mr Smith, who is being touted by the Right to run for the leadership against Mr Rudd should Ms Gillard's reign become untenable, is almost as popular as Ms Gillard.

But Mr Rudd's clear lead makes him the people's favourite, bolstering his case should Labor decide to change.

Tony Abbott's approval fell 2 percentage points to 41 per cent and his disapproval rose 2 points to 54 per cent. Malcolm Turnbull remains well ahead of both Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey as preferred Liberal leader.

On the downside for the Coalition, Mr Abbott's personal ratings fell to their worst levels since he became leader

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/boost-for-gillard-after-week-of-chaos-20111016-1lrma.html#ixzz1azGwaEjX

It looks like phony tony is no more popular than the least popular PM of all time, BOTH are gone, with Turnbull "miles ahead" as preferred opposition leader while Abbotts numbers just keep falling. Grin

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Reply #1 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 8:48am

skippy. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 8:44am:

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THE Gillard government has enjoyed a boost in support despite the chaos of last week, but it would still be trounced should an election be held today.

The latest Herald/Nielsen poll finds Labor's primary vote has jumped 3 percentage points in a month to 30 per cent, a small increase but psychologically significant because it is the first time since May Labor's first preference vote has been in the 30s.

The Coalition's primary vote was steady at 48 per cent, giving it a two-party-preferred lead over Labor of 57 per cent to 43 per cent.

The poll also shows Kevin Rudd remains twice as popular as preferred Labor leader compared with either Ms Gillard or the only other likely contender, Stephen Smith.

Mr Smith, who is being touted by the Right to run for the leadership against Mr Rudd should Ms Gillard's reign become untenable, is almost as popular as Ms Gillard.

But Mr Rudd's clear lead makes him the people's favourite, bolstering his case should Labor decide to change.

Tony Abbott's approval fell 2 percentage points to 41 per cent and his disapproval rose 2 points to 54 per cent. Malcolm Turnbull remains well ahead of both Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey as preferred Liberal leader.

On the downside for the Coalition, Mr Abbott's personal ratings fell to their worst levels since he became leader

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/boost-for-gillard-after-week-of-chaos-20111016-1lrma.html#ixzz1azGwaEjX

It looks like phony tony is no more popular than the least popular PM of all time, BOTH are gone, with Turnbull "miles ahead" as preferred opposition leader while Abbotts numbers just keep falling. Grin

A mere blip on the great mans record.
I'm sure these pinko pollsters sort out you leftist scum just to discredit our savior Tony.
Take your lies & foul mouths to the next Social Alliance meeting, we neither want or need your questions.
We here KNOW that Tony will be great & we KNOW Gillard is Bob Browns bitch.

What a Man!

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Reply #2 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 8:56am

Tony's going to HAVE to be great, Smithy. He's all we've got. If you think the Libs will reward straight Tony for paralysing the government and getting them to ape the few policies he has, you're nuts.

When Tones gets in Turnbull will have rightard spies in whatever ministry he gets. They'll keep him in the caucus because he does have support. But there's no way the Libs will change leaders. They adore Abbott for what he's done.

The next election will be Gillard versus Abbott, and Abbott will get in. There's no point having false hope. Abbott will get in and try to return Australia to the Howard years - without Howard's pragmatism and restraint.

It will be a very surreal time for this country, but it's unavoidable.

Stay in the present. This is a good time in politics. Labor's minority status has made it take decisions it would never have dreamed of before. We now have a carbon tax and onshore processing.

With Labor veering increasingly into retard territory, the Greens are increasingly becoming the party of the middle ground. They're only advocating the sort of policies most European conservative parties follow.

While anarchic, this is the best time in politics for a generation. When Abbott gets in, the freeze will follow.

We can't avoid it. It's cyclical - like the weather.

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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Abbott at all time LOW Reply #3 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:05am Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 8:56am: Labor's minority status has made it take decisions it would never have dreamed of before. We now have a carbon tax and onshore processing. Satire with out knowledge = ?? not sure? Garbage?
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26420 Gender:	Re: Abbott at all time LOW Reply #4 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:10am Abbott is still polling far above Julia Gillard, our worst PM ever. Even Turnbull polls higher than Gillard and I'd wager that right now even John Howard would poll higher than either Gillard or Rudd!
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Reply #5 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:14am

FriYAY wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:05am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 8:56am:

Labor's minority status has made it take decisions it would never have dreamed of before. We now have a carbon tax and onshore processing.

Satire with out knowledge = ?? not sure? Garbage?

You think?

Labor came in with no climate change policy and a vague stance of offshore processing. It played the small target, based on internal polling and focus groups.

When it became a minority government, I thought we'd see government grind to a halt. I thought we'd see no policies of any substance enacted. I thought government would be a mere stamp for the public service.

And yet, the Greens and independants have forced them to act - at a huge cost to Labor. Where previously, Labor would have been happy to feed refugees to the sharks and do nothing about climate change - their policy was a white paper, a conference, and wait for something to happen. However, Labor have been made, by forces akin to nature, to act.

You don't see that happen very often.

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Reply #6 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:14am

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 8:56am:

Tony's going to HAVE to be great, Smithy. He's all we've got. If you think the Libs will reward straight Tony for paralysing the government and getting them to ape the few policies he has, you're nuts.

When Tones gets in Turnbull will have rightard spies in whatever ministry he gets. They'll keep him in the caucus because he does have support. But there's no way the Libs will change leaders. They adore Abbott for what he's done.

The next election will be Gillard versus Abbott, and Abbott will get in. There's no point having false hope. Abbott will get in and try to return Australia to the Howard years - without Howard's pragmatism and restraint.

It will be a very surreal time for this country, but it's unavoidable.

Stay in the present. This is a good time in politics. Labor's minority status has made it take decisions it would never have dreamed of before. We now have a carbon tax and onshore processing.

With Labor veering increasingly into retard territory, the Greens are increasingly becoming the party of the middle ground. They're only advocating the sort of policies most European conservative parties follow.

While anarchic, this is the best time in politics for a generation. When Abbott gets in, the freeze will follow.

We can't avoid it. It's cyclical - like the weather.

I will have none of that thinking crap thank you Mr Karnal.
Matty & others have convinced me that blind faith in an individual is all you need.
The freedom from responsibility it affords you once embraced is a feeling close to euphoria.
I now know how our German friends felt in the 30's

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Abbott at all time LOW Reply #7 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:15am Even Turnbull polls higher than Gillard No surprises there, Turnbull sh its all over Abbott too,he is the preferred leader of the Libs by a mile,Abbott must be very worried that he is going backwards, not to mention getting his worst numbers since becoming leader.
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Reply #8 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:16am

Just finished reading an article calling the Opposition, The Worst Ever .

Which brings it to the current Coalition opposition.To date they have not been able to stop a single piece of legislation going through the parliament of this supposedly “do nothing” government.

Plus, when you strip away all the spin and emotive language , focus on the facts, what have they actually achieved?

No Government ministers have been stood down, no politicians have been sacked, no legislation has been amended in their favour, no legislation has been blocked and most importantly no early election has been called.

For all Abbott’s bluster and slogans , he has yet to do anything at all in this Parliament , except to be an attraction for a weak minded Media.

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Reply #9 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:17am

skippy. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:15am:

Even Turnbull polls higher than Gillard
No surprises there, Turnbull sh its all over Abbott too,he is the preferred leaderof the Libs.

I bet if there was a poll done, even John Howard would be preferred PM over Gillard by a mile. You don't seem to be able to bring yourself to accept that Gillard is a lame duck - dead in the water.

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Abbott at all time LOW Reply #10 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:21am You don't seem to be able to bring yourself to accept that Gillard is a lame duck - dead in the water. You obviously have comprehension problems, I write about Gillard being GONE all the time, but you don't seem to understand Abbotts days are numbered as well, he's going backwards against the least popular PM of all time.
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Reply #11 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:21am

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Just finished reading an article calling the Opposition, The Worst Ever .

Which brings it to the current Coalition opposition.To date they have not been able to stop a single piece of legislation going through the parliament of this supposedly “do nothing” government.

Plus, when you strip away all the spin and emotive language , focus on the facts, what have they actually achieved?

No Government ministers have been stood down, no politicians have been sacked, no legislation has been amended in their favour, no legislation has been blocked and most importantly no early election has been called.

For all Abbott’s bluster and slogans , he has yet to do anything at all in this Parliament , except to be an attraction for a weak minded Media.

True, but he's managed to bring the agenda over to his side. I still don't know how he's done it, but it's masterful politics.

He has made Labor follow his every move, but he's kept the focus on their ineptitude. It really is genius. Why would the Libs up and change to Turnbull, a man most of them hate?

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Reply #12 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:35am

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:14am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:05am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 8:56am:

Labor's minority status has made it take decisions it would never have dreamed of before. We now have a carbon tax and onshore processing.

Satire with out knowledge = ?? not sure? Garbage?

You think?

Labor came in with no climate change policy and a vague stance of offshore processing. It played the small target, based on internal polling and focus groups.

When it became a minority government, I thought we'd see government grind to a halt. I thought we'd see no policies of any substance enacted. I thought government would be a mere stamp for the public service.

And yet, the Greens and independants have forced them to act - at a huge cost to Labor. Where previously, Labor would have been happy to feed refugees to the sharks and do nothing about climate change - their policy was a white paper, a conference, and wait for something to happen. However, Labor have been made, by forces akin to nature, to act.

You don't see that happen very often.

All I see is a minority government trying to stay in power by bowing to parties and independents SFA of us voted for.

I am sure many in the ALP wanted exactly what has happened, carbon tax and on shore processing. The right factions not so much. But both have been well and truly on the radar, starting with Rudd.

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Reply #13 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:36am

I can't believe some of the headlines arising from these polls - despite positive movements for the Labs and mostly negative movements for the Libs, they are mostly focusing on the negatives for the Labs instead of the Libs!

Go figure, eh!?

Meantime, here's some actual figures missing from the OP...which also had a more honest headline than most...

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Boost for Gillard after week of chaos

October 17, 2011

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As well as the small jump in support for Labor, Ms Gillard fared well personally while Mr Abbott's personal standing fell.

Ms Gillard's rating as preferred prime minister rose 4 points to 44 per cent and Mr Abbott's stayed steady at 48 per cent. Ms Gillard's approval rating rose 1 point to 33 per cent while her disapproval was steady at 62 per cent.

Mr Abbott's approval fell 2 percentage points to 41 per cent and his disapproval rose 2 points to 54 per cent.

These are his worst ratings since becoming Opposition Leader on December 1, 2009, and are similar to numbers experienced by Mr Turnbull just before he was deposed. The poll finds 44 per cent of voters back Mr Turnbull as Coalition leader compared with 28 per cent for Mr Abbott and 23 per cent for Mr Hockey.

Mr Turnbull has much stronger support among Greens and Labor voters.

Mr Rudd is preferred as leader by 61 per cent of voters compared with 30 per cent for Ms Gillard. In a match-up against Mr Smith, Mr Rudd leads by 60 per cent to 29 per cent.

In a match-up between Ms Gillard and Mr Smith, Ms Gillard leads by 44 per cent to 40 per cent.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/boost-for-gillard-after-week-of-chaos-20111016-1l...

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26420 Gender:	Re: Abbott at all time LOW Reply #14 - Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:38am If Gillard had stuck true to her values and not caved in, I could have at least admired her for her integrity no matter how incompetent she is. But she sold herself out to be Bob Brown's puppet. That makes her worse than incompetent - it makes her pathetically weak. That isn't a quality that anyone would want in a PM.
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