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Australian Hypocrisy
Oct 29^th, 2011 at 12:59pm

While we demand Australian Heads of Government subvert justice in Indonesia to save our white people from their little brown people, demanding that these senior politicians personally intervene, we subject their children to just as bad, or worse, without any consideration for their age or circumstance.

It is this which makes us, at best, a laughing stock in Asia... At worst, pernicious and vindictive hypocrites.

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Of the 500 people arrested, a disturbing number are children. They are boys from Indonesian fishing villages who are recruited to work as cooks and deckhands on asylum seeker boats....

it is thought there may be as many as 40 Indonesian boys in jails in Australia.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-29/casualties-in-the-war-against-smugglers/36...

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49075 At my desk.	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #1 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 1:10pm I think you would find that all people smugglers were merely cooks. None of them smuggled people.
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #2 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 1:13pm So what, FD? They're still children. I would have thought their age would have been the standout issue of that post, rather than their occupation.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #3 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 1:14pm freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 1:10pm: I think you would find that all people smugglers were merely cooks. None of them smuggled people. It think its safer to assume 14 year old boys from poor villages are more likely to be cooks and deckhands than organisers of international people smuggling rackets.
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Reply #4 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 1:21pm

So only the organisers of criminal enterprises should be charged? Everyone else can go free?

What about drug smugglers? Should the mules get off if they insist they aren't the ringleaders?

Their occupation if obviously the issue. They are not in jail because of their age, but because they are part of an international criminal enterprise that takes advantage of desperate people and often kills them.

You need to think about the consequences of your actions. What do you think would be the consequence of sending young criminals back to Indonesia without charge? Why do you think these criminal gangs are recruiting boys to do a mans job in the first place? Do you think it is like Maccas where they hire kids because of minimum wages?

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Reply #5 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 1:27pm

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

You need to think about the consequences of your actions. What do you think would be the consequence of sending young criminals back to Indonesia without charge? Why do you think these criminal gangs are recruiting boys to do a mans job in the first place?

I think Indonesian children should be treated distinctly from adults... In the same way we demand of Indonesians... And in the same way we treat Australian minors, recruited in Australia, to commit crimes in Australia, for Australian crime gangs.

Actually, for some bizarre reason, we even arrogate to ourselves a form of Australian exceptionalism with regard to Australian adults in jail in Indonesia.

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Reply #6 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 2:07pm

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Their occupation if obviously the issue. They are not in jail because of their age, but because they are part of an international criminal enterprise that takes advantage of desperate people and often kills them.

If it wasn't for their age, we probably wouldn't be talking about it.

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What do you think would be the consequence of sending young criminals back to Indonesia without charge?

What do you think will be the consequence of imprisoning children?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49075 At my desk.	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #7 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 2:45pm I think they would stop employing children as people smugglers.
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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #8 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 2:52pm Boohoo, don't get on a people smuggling boat.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #9 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:01pm freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 2:45pm: I think they would stop employing children as people smugglers. The attitude that makes us the white trash of Asia.
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #10 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:02pm freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 2:45pm: I think they would stop employing children as people smugglers. That's naive. Plenty more where they came from.
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barnaby joe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1992 euchareena	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #11 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:04pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:01pm: freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 2:45pm: I think they would stop employing children as people smugglers. The attitude that makes us the white trash of Asia. hi lee kwan i thought you were dead got any new things to say about malays lately?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49075 At my desk.	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #12 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:08pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:02pm: freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 2:45pm: I think they would stop employing children as people smugglers. That's naive. Plenty more where they came from. Why do you think they send children in the first place?
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #13 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:12pm Well, it's obviously not because we've demonstrated any leniency toward kids, is it? Perhaps children are hired for the same reason a lot of women in poorer countries are hired; they're seen as submissive and loyal. Easier to control.
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Reply #14 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:14pm

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Well, it's obviously not because we've demonstrated any leniency toward kids, is it?

Yes it is.

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Perhaps children are hired for the same reason a lot of women in third world countries are hired; they're seen as submissive and loyal. Easier to control.

How many female pirates do you know?

Even a half hearted consideration of the situation would lead you to realise that children are obviously not the ideal candidates for this job, so it must be something external to the job itself that makes them hire children.

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