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Reply #15 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:16pm

The popular demand for the observance of Australian exceptionalism... That's the flaw in our flaunting of our pride in our adherence of the rule of law and observance of human rights...

We've lived too long as vassals of the US, to the point where we imagine ourselves to be a superpower and demand the world (particularly Indonesia) treat Australian citizens as special cases.

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Reply #16 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:17pm

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:08pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:02pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 2:45pm:

I think they would stop employing children as people smugglers.

That's naive. Plenty more where they came from.

Why do you think they send children in the first place?

Yet we treat Australian minors, in the same circumstances, as minors.

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #17 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:20pm Just so you know, I changed 'third world' to poorer in my last comment. Quote: How many female pirates do you know? I know as many female pirates as I know people smugglers. How many child pirates do you know? Or female people smugglers?
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Reply #18 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:56pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:16pm:

The popular demand for the observance of Australian exceptionalism... That's the flaw in our flaunting of our pride in our adherence of the rule of law and observance of human rights...

We've lived too long as vassals of the US, to the point where we imagine ourselves to be a superpower and demand the world (particularly Indonesia) treat Australian citizens as special cases.

Yeah, funny that. Australian citizens arrested in, say, England or Sweden or Switzerland - we don't demand anything because we know that these countries look at things in a similarly civilised way, like we do.

Some backward, halfcocked, corrupt country arrests Australians and subjects them to degrading and corrupt treatment and we raise our voices.

Fancy that.

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Reply #19 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 4:27pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:20pm:

Just so you know, I changed 'third world' to poorer in my last comment.

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How many female pirates do you know?

I know as many female pirates as I know people smugglers. How many child pirates do you know? Or female people smugglers?

So your argument is that you don't know anyone involved, therefor you must be right?

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #20 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 4:37pm Don't be ridiculous. I was answering your question.
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Reply #21 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 4:46pm

Soren wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 3:56pm:

Yeah, funny that. Australian citizens arrested in, say, England or Sweden or Switzerland - we don't demand anything because we know that these countries look at things in a similarly civilised way, like we do.

Some backward, halfcocked, corrupt country arrests Australians and subjects them to degrading and corrupt treatment and we raise our voices.

Fancy that.

Guess that explains our hypocrisy towards our treatment of their minors, then. Roll Eyes

Australia can, and should, be better than that.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #22 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 4:57pm I think they put those minors on the boats because they know that we will treat them less harshly than the adults - and certainly less harshly than they would treat minors in similar circumstances.
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Reply #23 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 5:29pm

Soren wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 4:57pm:

I think they put those minors on the boats because they know that we will treat them less harshly than the adults - and certainly less harshly than they would treat minors in similar circumstances.

That's exactly what Australian crims do with Australian minors here in Australia... And we treat them less harshly... But, it seems, our concern for minors extends only to our own... Australian exceptionalism at work.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49081 At my desk.	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #24 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 5:54pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 4:37pm: Don't be ridiculous. I was answering your question. You mostly just missed the point. I will try to make it simpler for you. Do you think children are ideal candidates for the job of smuggling people over open ocean? Or do you think there might be some other explanation?
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Reply #25 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 6:46pm

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You mostly just missed the point. I will try to make it simpler for you. Do you think children are ideal candidates for the job of smuggling people over open ocean? Or do you think there might be some other explanation?

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Even a half hearted consideration of the situation would lead you to realise that children are obviously not the ideal candidates for this job, so it must be something external to the job itself that makes them hire children.

Do children make the best soldiers? Probably not, but there are thousands of child soldiers.

How can we know what motivates people smugglers to employ children and in what capacity they use them?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49081 At my desk.	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #26 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 6:46pm Quote: How can we know what motivates people smugglers to employ children and in what capacity they use them? Thinking about it would be a good start.
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Reply #27 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 6:58pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 6:46pm:

Do children make the best soldiers? Probably not, but there are thousands of child soldiers.

How can we know what motivates people smugglers to employ children and in what capacity they use them?

I think I can guess... Children are easily duped by adults, being less capable of comprehending what they're getting into... The few hundred dollars they are offered is more than their family would make, put together, in two years.

Australia then imprisons them for their naivete - and not in juvenile centres... But in adult prisons...

Australian hypocrisy... Australian arrogation of exceptionalism at work for the world to see... And we're all the lesser for it.

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Reply #28 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 7:00pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 5:29pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 4:57pm:

I think they put those minors on the boats because they know that we will treat them less harshly than the adults - and certainly less harshly than they would treat minors in similar circumstances.

That's exactly what Australian crims do with Australian minors here in Australia... And we treat them less harshly... But, it seems, our concern for minors extends only to our own... Australian exceptionalism at work.

That is because we put our minors before the criminal intent of their mentors. We know there is a scam, yet we take a longer view, for the sake of the 'children'.

Needless to point out but here is is anyway - we treat those Indonesian minors better than they would be treated by thetr own people if they broke similar laws.

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Reply #29 - Oct 29^th, 2011 at 7:11pm

Soren wrote on Oct 29^th, 2011 at 7:00pm:

Needless to point out but here is is anyway - we treat those Indonesian minors better than they would be treated by thetr own people if they broke similar laws.

Yet it is we who lecture Asia on human rights and the special rights of children.

Then lock theirs in prisons with adult rapists and murderers.

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