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Re: Australian Hypocrisy
Reply #180 - Nov 13^th, 2011 at 10:58pm

Equitist wrote on Nov 13^th, 2011 at 10:41pm:

As a matter of interest, I wonder what the indicated age of the 'Bali Boy' would be, if he was subjected to a wrist X-ray!?

Would be an interesting exercise. Not one that the Australian authorities would like to roll the dice on, I'd bet.

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We have in a number of instances visited children in jail, we have gone back to their villages, we've established they're children, and we've satisfied the prosecuting authorities that they're children and they have been deported. In just about every case the children have spent at least 12 to 18 months in jail, and in one case a child was convulsing in tears and when we sought to explore with him as to whether or not he had been maltreated sexually in jail. So I believe there's some basis in that instance to believe that that has happened. We know there's a lot of sexual abuse by prisoners against other prisoners in jail, so it comes as no surprise that a child held in an Australian jail is at risk.

http://www.intellasia.net/news/articles/indonesia/111347004.shtml

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Reply #181 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 8:26pm

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Wrist X-rays for determining exact age is not reliable and has been discredited... It can estimate age to within 4 years. That is a fact.

Yes you are good with facts. Unfortunately you are not so good at making a point with them.

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We have in a number of instances

So that is it? Success in a 'number' of cases? Is there anything in the current rules that prevents this from happening? Or are you pointlessly arguing for more of the same? Good on facts, bad on making a point?

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Reply #182 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 8:52pm

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 8:26pm:

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Wrist X-rays for determining exact age is not reliable and has been discredited... It can estimate age to within 4 years. That is a fact.

Yes you are good with facts. Unfortunately you are not so good at making a point with them.

You're not so good with facts and unfortunately you're even worse at rising above your own ego.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49222 At my desk.	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #183 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 9:02pm So you are pointlessly arguing for more of the same?
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #184 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 9:16pm freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 9:02pm: So you are pointlessly arguing for more of the same? No, you're endlessly attempting to deflect for the sake of your own ego's need.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49222 At my desk.	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #185 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 7:43pm Sorry, I was trying to figure out if you had a point or not. Are you defending the current arrangements?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38804 Gender:	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #186 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 8:06pm freediver wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 7:43pm: Sorry, I was trying to figure out if you had a point or not. Are you defending the current arrangements? Help me catch up quickly freediver, 'Current arrangements' about what, and what is your description of them?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49222 At my desk.	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #187 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 8:09pm Holding captured people smugglers in detention until we can confirm their age. Helian seems to be complaining about the underage people smugglers that get held in detention as a result, yet every time I ask him to suggest alternatives he proposes what we already have.
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Reply #188 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 8:19pm

freediver wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 8:09pm:

Holding captured people smugglers in detention until we can confirm their age. Helian seems to be complaining about the underage people smugglers that get held in detention as a result, yet every time I ask him to suggest alternatives he proposes what we already have.

Oh I see. You clearly already do understand what Helian is saying even though you pretend otherwise with:

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Sorry, I was trying to figure out if you had a point or not.

Are you defending the current arrangements?

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Reply #189 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:29pm

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 9:02pm:

So you are pointlessly arguing for more of the same?

I think he is arguing that The Australian officials that directly and indirectly deal with these issues and the policy makers behind them are cruel and unintelligent thugs. Thats pretty clear.

They are all wrong and he's right. Like you though, i'd like to find out what he thinks he is right about.

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Reply #190 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:32pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 8:19pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 8:09pm:

Holding captured people smugglers in detention until we can confirm their age. Helian seems to be complaining about the underage people smugglers that get held in detention as a result, yet every time I ask him to suggest alternatives he proposes what we already have.

Oh I see. You clearly already do understand what Helian is saying even though you pretend otherwise with:

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Sorry, I was trying to figure out if you had a point or not.

Are you defending the current arrangements?

Let's let Helian say whether I am have it right.

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Reply #192 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:09am

freediver wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 8:09pm:

Holding captured people smugglers in detention until we can confirm their age. Helian seems to be complaining about the underage people smugglers that get held in detention as a result, yet every time I ask him to suggest alternatives he proposes what we already have.

You're getting sloppy with your bullsh!t, there "FD".

It ain't just "detention" there, is it "FD".

Unless incarceration in an adult prison for months or years is "detention" to you... And as a result of the use of a discredited technology ...

Looks like the Federal government has been woken up to the greater injustice served against minors than the political need for the Australian white trash guarantee of approval.

13... Lucky for some... Hopefully this thread played its part...

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Federal Police have been instructed by the Minister for Home Affairs to make more thorough attempts to get information about a person in custody from their homes and families.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-15/calls-for-inquiry-into-young-indonesians-i...

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Australian Hypocrisy Reply #193 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:10am jame-e wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:29pm: i'd like to find out what he thinks he is right about. Watch out, fella... You're gonna get what you're after. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-15/calls-for-inquiry-into-young-indonesians-i...
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Reply #194 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:16am

freediver wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:32pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 8:19pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 8:09pm:

Holding captured people smugglers in detention until we can confirm their age. Helian seems to be complaining about the underage people smugglers that get held in detention as a result, yet every time I ask him to suggest alternatives he proposes what we already have.

Oh I see. You clearly already do understand what Helian is saying even though you pretend otherwise with:

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Sorry, I was trying to figure out if you had a point or not.

Are you defending the current arrangements?

Let's let Helian say whether I am have it right.

FD, you're a bullsh!t artist... But I reckon even you've worked that out.

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