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More deaths from Gillard's incompetence
Nov 1^st, 2011 at 8:51pm

Today we have the sad story of seven people dead, with more than 20 still missing after a people smuggling boat sank in waters off Indonesia. This government is lethal in its incompetence - dead insulation workers, houses burned to the ground and people dying on the ocean because the ALP has a weak/non-existant border protection policy.

It's time Gillard grew some balls and toughened up for the good of these people by reopening Nauru, re-introducing TPV's and turning back boats.

Also, the sixth boat (with 94 on board) has arrived since Gillard lost her Malaysian Non-Solution last month. It seems there is no end in sight and, in fact, it is getting worse - as predicted.

This story from the Daily Telegraph...

AT LEAST seven asylum seekers have drowned after the boat they were travelling in sank soon after they left a port in Central Java bound for Australia.

It is believed the death toll could rise, with authorities saying they were still searching for more than 20 people.

Two young boys are among those asylum seekers confirmed dead.

The boat, which left from Cilacap in the early hours of Tuesday morning, was carrying about 70 asylum seekers who are believed to have travelled to Indonesia from the Middle East.

It sank about 5am local time (0900 AEDT) after taking on water for about two hours.

The Australian government was looking into the reports, sources told AAP.

An Indonesian police spokesman said the vessel sank near Nusakambangan Island in waters between West Java and Central Java.

"The latest update is 46 people rescued, seven people died. They are five women and two boys," Ciamis water police chief Samsudin said.

"They're leaving from Cilacap and their ship sank around Nusakambangan Island," he said.

"They left Cilacap at 2am and around 3am their ship leaked. At 5am, their ship already sank and was found by local fishermen."

He said the vessel was heading for Australia.

Ciamis police chief Agus Santoso said the rescue and recovery mission was ongoing.

"We're still looking for other missing victims. Please help pray," he said.

In 2001, about 140 Afghan refugees were detained on Nusakambangan after their boat, which was en route to Christmas Island, sank in rough seas.

Another boatload of 94 asylum seekers has been intercepted in Australian waters.

It is the sixth boat to arrive since the federal government was forced to abandon its Malaysian people swap deal last month.

Home Affairs Minister Brendan O'Connor said the boat was intercepted by HMAS Maitland in waters north of Christmas Island.

"The passengers will be transferred to Christmas Island, where they will undergo initial security, health and identity checks and their reasons for travel will be established," he said in a statement.

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Uncle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 688	Re: More deaths from Gillard's incompetence Reply #1 - Nov 1^st, 2011 at 9:46pm You sir are not an armchair politician but a Tosspot of the highest order. "More deaths from Australia's rightwing xenophobia" is the truth.
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Reply #2 - Nov 1^st, 2011 at 9:50pm

Uncle wrote on Nov 1^st, 2011 at 9:46pm:

You sir are not an armchair politician but a Tosspot of the highest order.

"More deaths from Australia's rightwing xenophobia" is the truth.

Yeah, right. No one died during the Pacific Solution that I remember, yet Gillard has over 60 dead on her watch. Go stick your head back in the sand...

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Reply #3 - Nov 1^st, 2011 at 10:11pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2011 at 9:50pm:

Uncle wrote on Nov 1^st, 2011 at 9:46pm:

You sir are not an armchair politician but a Tosspot of the highest order.

"More deaths from Australia's rightwing xenophobia" is the truth.

Yeah, right. No one died during the Pacific Solution that I remember, yet Gillard has over 60 dead on her watch. Go stick your head back in the sand...

Twit.

During the "pacific solution" the boats were turned back to Indonesia - which for some monetary reason accepted them. Indonesia will no longer accept boats which are turned back.

So I suggest you go stick your head back up your arse. There you can "tune in" to the shyte sprayed by the Mad Monk.

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Reply #5 - Nov 1^st, 2011 at 10:18pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 1^st, 2011 at 9:50pm:

Uncle wrote on Nov 1^st, 2011 at 9:46pm:

You sir are not an armchair politician but a Tosspot of the highest order.

"More deaths from Australia's rightwing xenophobia" is the truth.

Yeah, right. No one died during the Pacific Solution that I remember, yet Gillard has over 60 dead on her watch. Go stick your head back in the sand...

Siev x?

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18 October 2001
A small, unnamed 19.5 X 4 metre wooden fishing boat that would later be dubbed SIEVX (Suspected Illegal Entry Vessel X) departs Canti, a fishing village near South Lampung, with approximately 421 passengers. This dilapidated, unseaworthy boat would have been overcrowded with 150 aboard, let alone 400. (Later, survivors would report that many were forced aboard at gunpoint by Indonesian police who supervised the loading.) Some hours into the voyage the boat stops near an island in the Sunda Strait and 23 Mandaean passengers disembark into another boat, the Rukun Agung, due to fears that the horrendously overcrowded vessel will sink. The Rukun Agung breaks down and the captain Mr Udin contacts his employer, Mr Wedi for assistance. The Mandaeans are landed at Lempasing beach and later interviewed by Indonesian police before making their way back to Cisarua.

19 October 2001
3pm: The boat goes down in international waters, inside the Australian aerial border protection surveillance zone. An estimated 146 children, 142 women and 65 men perish.

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Uncle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 688	Re: More deaths from Gillard's incompetence Reply #6 - Nov 1^st, 2011 at 10:26pm Armchair cares for nothing except access to his remote control. Heaven forbid he should ever feel his life is in any peril...but then new batteries for the remote will restore life to normal.
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: More deaths from Gillard's incompetence Reply #7 - Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 5:27am This is NOT Gillard's fault. The blame (ALL of it) belongs on the shoulders of the Indonesians and the people-smugglers. No-one else. I'm sick of hearing and reading the boat-loads(?) of unmitigated carp being said and written about this.
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GoddyofOz Gold Member Offline Vote 1 for Sex, cause you're gay if you don't Posts: 2397	Re: More deaths from Gillard's incompetence Reply #8 - Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 5:38am ^^ Smart girl. It's about time our Government stopped taking the fall for something that should be being solved by the Indonesians, but isn't. Their arrogance and indignation is unparalleled in regards to Asylum Seekers.
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Reply #9 - Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 5:43am

Don't be too rough on armchair politician, he/she is very upset about the queue, the refugees waiting for asylum to another country. That is the reason he/she gets cranky with the boat people, it's about the ones left behind. He/she wants the Greens to treble our intake so that there will be no need for people to escape on leaky boats.

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Reply #10 - Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 6:03am

Kat wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 5:27am:

This is NOT Gillard's fault.

The blame (ALL of it) belongs on the shoulders of the Indonesians and the people-smugglers.

No-one else.

I'm sick of hearing and reading the boat-loads(?) of unmitigated carp being said and written about this.

Not true - the blame was firstly due to Rudd dismantling the Pacific Solution with the blame now squarely at Gillard's feet as she has had ample opportunity to correct Rudd's blunder. Yet she does not.

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Reply #11 - Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 6:12am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 6:03am:

Kat wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 5:27am:

This is NOT Gillard's fault.

The blame (ALL of it) belongs on the shoulders of the Indonesians and the people-smugglers.

No-one else.

I'm sick of hearing and reading the boat-loads(?) of unmitigated carp being said and written about this.

Not true - the blame was firstly due to Rudd dismantling the Pacific Solution with the blame now squarely at Gillard's feet as she has had ample opportunity to correct Rudd's blunder. Yet she does not.

If that's what you honestly believe, then you're all armchair and no Politician.

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Reply #12 - Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 6:19am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 6:03am:

Kat wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 5:27am:

This is NOT Gillard's fault.

The blame (ALL of it) belongs on the shoulders of the Indonesians and the people-smugglers.

No-one else.

I'm sick of hearing and reading the boat-loads(?) of unmitigated carp being said and written about this.

Not true - the blame was firstly due to Rudd dismantling the Pacific Solution with the blame now squarely at Gillard's feet as she has had ample opportunity to correct Rudd's blunder. Yet she does not.

That's horsh't, and you know it.

The 'Pacific Solution' (it even sounds Fascist) was never a 'solution. but a sop to the xenophobes.

Nothing more. And should never have been implemented.

Xenophobia, insularity, racism and partisan political pointscoring have no place in this debate.

And they never should have.

The boats won't stop until the Indonesians are pulled into gear over their tacit support for the people-smugglers.

Much easier for Indo to detect these boats as/before they leave, than for us to find them at sea and sinking later.

Repeat: - it is Indonesia's fault, and that of the smugglers, NOT Gillard's (OR Abbott's, for that matter.).

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Reply #13 - Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 7:13am

Kat wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 6:19am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 6:03am:

Kat wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 5:27am:

This is NOT Gillard's fault.

The blame (ALL of it) belongs on the shoulders of the Indonesians and the people-smugglers.

No-one else.

I'm sick of hearing and reading the boat-loads(?) of unmitigated carp being said and written about this.

Not true - the blame was firstly due to Rudd dismantling the Pacific Solution with the blame now squarely at Gillard's feet as she has had ample opportunity to correct Rudd's blunder. Yet she does not.

That's horsh't, and you know it.

The 'Pacific Solution' (it even sounds Fascist) was never a 'solution. but a sop to the xenophobes.

Nothing more. And should never have been implemented.

Xenophobia, insularity, racism and partisan political pointscoring have no place in this debate.

And they never should have.

The boats won't stop until the Indonesians are pulled into gear over their tacit support for the people-smugglers.

Much easier for Indo to detect these boats as/before they leave, than for us to find them at sea and sinking later.

Repeat: - it is Indonesia's fault, and that of the smugglers, NOT Gillard's (OR Abbott's, for that matter.).

But the Pacific Soluion DID stop the boats. That's not up for debate. It was a policy that was EXTREMELY effective. By comparison, the ALP's non-policy has been and continues to be a lethal, abysmal failure by any standards.

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Uncle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 688	Re: More deaths from Gillard's incompetence Reply #14 - Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 7:28am Again for the Twit. The "Pacific Solution" will no longer work because 1. Indonesia will no longer accept boats that are turned back and 2. The High Court has ruled against off shore detention. Cry the old rightwing slogans all you want. History has left you behind.
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