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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #30 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:48am

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:23pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:20pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:16pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:01pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:58pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 9:45pm:

It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed.

Ditto! Well said!

And yet I have done all of those things.

And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms.

You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time..

No ifs. No buts.

I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'....

And that's beside the point.

It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative".

Jesus was neither.

Why?? Isn't wanting to keep to the original traditions of the bible a christian idea??

What original traditions are you talking about?

The genocide encouraged and practiced by the god of the old testament?

The misogyny encouraged and practiced by the god of the OT?

The cruelty encouraged and practiced practiced by the god of the OT?

No, the rules and attitudes espoused by Jesus....(hence the term christian)

So NOT the "original" traditions of the bible.

No, the 'original' traditions of the christian religion.....as listed in the new testament, not the jewish traditions, as listed in the old testament(Hebrew bible)

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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #31 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:44am

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 12:41am:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:58pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 9:45pm:

It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed.

Ditto! Well said!

And yet I have done all of those things.

And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms.

You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time..

No ifs. No buts.

Pure ignorance. Absolutely false.

Surely being a christian means following the example of jesus christ.

Read about his life.

What examples of right wing thinking and behavior are demonstrated by jesus?

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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #32 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:46am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:48am:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:23pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:20pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:16pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:01pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:58pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 9:45pm:

It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed.

Ditto! Well said!

And yet I have done all of those things.

And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms.

You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time..

No ifs. No buts.

I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'....

And that's beside the point.

It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative".

Jesus was neither.

Why?? Isn't wanting to keep to the original traditions of the bible a christian idea??

What original traditions are you talking about?

The genocide encouraged and practiced by the god of the old testament?

The misogyny encouraged and practiced by the god of the OT?

The cruelty encouraged and practiced practiced by the god of the OT?

No, the rules and attitudes espoused by Jesus....(hence the term christian)

So NOT the "original" traditions of the bible.

No, the 'original' traditions of the christian religion.....as listed in the new testament, not the jewish traditions, as listed in the old testament(Hebrew bible)

The original traditions of the christian religion dont include being right wing and conservative.

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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #33 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 9:26am

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:46am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:48am:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:23pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:20pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:16pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:01pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:58pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 9:45pm:

It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed.

Ditto! Well said!

And yet I have done all of those things.

And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms.

You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time..

No ifs. No buts.

I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'....

And that's beside the point.

It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative".

Jesus was neither.

Why?? Isn't wanting to keep to the original traditions of the bible a christian idea??

What original traditions are you talking about?

The genocide encouraged and practiced by the god of the old testament?

The misogyny encouraged and practiced by the god of the OT?

The cruelty encouraged and practiced practiced by the god of the OT?

No, the rules and attitudes espoused by Jesus....(hence the term christian)

So NOT the "original" traditions of the bible.

No, the 'original' traditions of the christian religion.....as listed in the new testament, not the jewish traditions, as listed in the old testament(Hebrew bible)

The original traditions of the christian religion dont include being right wing and conservative.

Amazing how you can glean exactly what Jesus' politcal views were, from an almost 2000 year old text, written hundreds of years after his death. A touch of wishful thinking on your behalf methinks.

Looking at how much what defines a "conservative" has changed over just the last 50 years, I think it's pretty safe to say that the definition would have changed somewhat since jesus' day....so to make the statement that "right wing" thinking is mutually exclusive to christianity is a bit of a nothing statement. Maybe you could clarify what you define as 'conservative right wing" views, and state what is incompatible with your idea of what jesus' thought?

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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #34 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:02am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 7:25pm:

Jesus was far far left and he accepted everyone even boat people matty. You and Jesus have absolutely nothing in common, so either go as far left as you can get or ditch Jesus.

Which one will he pick?

I'm very happy being a RW christian. explain this one

" ......While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head.

Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, “Why this waste of perfume? It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages and the money given to the poor.” And they rebuked her harshly.

“Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 7 The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me. She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial. Truly I tell you, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.” ..........

mark 14:3-9

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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #35 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:20am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:02am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 7:25pm:

Jesus was far far left and he accepted everyone even boat people matty. You and Jesus have absolutely nothing in common, so either go as far left as you can get or ditch Jesus.

Which one will he pick?

I'm very happy being a RW christian. explain this one

" ......While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head.

Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, “Why this waste of perfume? It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages and the money given to the poor.” And they rebuked her harshly.

“Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 7 The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me. She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial. Truly I tell you, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.” ..........

mark 14:3-9

How is that right wing?

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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #36 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:25am

... wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 9:26am:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:46am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:48am:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:23pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:20pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:16pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:01pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:58pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 9:45pm:

It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed.

Ditto! Well said!

And yet I have done all of those things.

And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms.

You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time..

No ifs. No buts.

I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'....

And that's beside the point.

It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative".

Jesus was neither.

Why?? Isn't wanting to keep to the original traditions of the bible a christian idea??

What original traditions are you talking about?

The genocide encouraged and practiced by the god of the old testament?

The misogyny encouraged and practiced by the god of the OT?

The cruelty encouraged and practiced practiced by the god of the OT?

No, the rules and attitudes espoused by Jesus....(hence the term christian)

So NOT the "original" traditions of the bible.

No, the 'original' traditions of the christian religion.....as listed in the new testament, not the jewish traditions, as listed in the old testament(Hebrew bible)

The original traditions of the christian religion dont include being right wing and conservative.

Amazing how you can glean exactly what Jesus' politcal views were, from an almost 2000 year old text, written hundreds of years after his death. A touch of wishful thinking on your behalf methinks.

Looking at how much what defines a "conservative" has changed over just the last 50 years, I think it's pretty safe to say that the definition would have changed somewhat since jesus' day....so to make the statement that "right wing" thinking is mutually exclusive to christianity is a bit of a nothing statement. Maybe you could clarify what you define as 'conservative right wing" views, and state what is incompatible with your idea of what jesus' thought?

Yes I am using todays definition of "conservative" and comparing it to the reported sayings and actions of jesus 2000 years ago.

By todays standards jesus would not be called "conservative".

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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #37 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:49am

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:20am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:02am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 7:25pm:

Jesus was far far left and he accepted everyone even boat people matty. You and Jesus have absolutely nothing in common, so either go as far left as you can get or ditch Jesus.

Which one will he pick?

I'm very happy being a RW christian. explain this one

" ......While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head.

Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, “Why this waste of perfume? It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages and the money given to the poor.” And they rebuked her harshly.

“Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 7 The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me. She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial. Truly I tell you, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.” ..........

mark 14:3-9

How is that right wing?

it's not really rightwing, yet it is certainly not leftwing.
What his fllowers urged was left wing.

its reality.
there will always be the poor around. that's just how it is.

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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #38 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:01am

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:25am:

... wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 9:26am:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:46am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:48am:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:23pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:20pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:16pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:01pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:58pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 9:45pm:

It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed.

Ditto! Well said!

And yet I have done all of those things.

And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms.

You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time..

No ifs. No buts.

I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'....

And that's beside the point.

It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative".

Jesus was neither.

Why?? Isn't wanting to keep to the original traditions of the bible a christian idea??

What original traditions are you talking about?

The genocide encouraged and practiced by the god of the old testament?

The misogyny encouraged and practiced by the god of the OT?

The cruelty encouraged and practiced practiced by the god of the OT?

No, the rules and attitudes espoused by Jesus....(hence the term christian)

So NOT the "original" traditions of the bible.

No, the 'original' traditions of the christian religion.....as listed in the new testament, not the jewish traditions, as listed in the old testament(Hebrew bible)

The original traditions of the christian religion dont include being right wing and conservative.

Amazing how you can glean exactly what Jesus' politcal views were, from an almost 2000 year old text, written hundreds of years after his death. A touch of wishful thinking on your behalf methinks.

Looking at how much what defines a "conservative" has changed over just the last 50 years, I think it's pretty safe to say that the definition would have changed somewhat since jesus' day....so to make the statement that "right wing" thinking is mutually exclusive to christianity is a bit of a nothing statement. Maybe you could clarify what you define as 'conservative right wing" views, and state what is incompatible with your idea of what jesus' thought?

Yes I am using todays definition of "conservative" and comparing it to the reported sayings and actions of jesus 2000 years ago.

By todays standards jesus would not be called "conservative".

What is todays definition of conservative? When you think of a conservative do you think of paleoconservatives? neocons? the religious right?

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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #40 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:20am

Conservative-ness and chirstianity can co-exist.

A conservative, but nature, picks a reference point of when the world was at its best, and tries to fight any change from that (good or bad).

While Jesus himself was very progressive, a conservative can pick any point in time after Jesus, and say "I'm sticking to this".

Right-wing, the "every man for himself" attitude, however does not sit with christianity.

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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #41 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 12:00pm

... wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:01am:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:25am:

... wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 9:26am:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:46am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:48am:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:23pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:20pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:16pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:01pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:58pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 9:45pm:

It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed.

Ditto! Well said!

And yet I have done all of those things.

And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms.

You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time..

No ifs. No buts.

I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'....

And that's beside the point.

It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative".

Jesus was neither.

Why?? Isn't wanting to keep to the original traditions of the bible a christian idea??

What original traditions are you talking about?

The genocide encouraged and practiced by the god of the old testament?

The misogyny encouraged and practiced by the god of the OT?

The cruelty encouraged and practiced practiced by the god of the OT?

No, the rules and attitudes espoused by Jesus....(hence the term christian)

So NOT the "original" traditions of the bible.

No, the 'original' traditions of the christian religion.....as listed in the new testament, not the jewish traditions, as listed in the old testament(Hebrew bible)

The original traditions of the christian religion dont include being right wing and conservative.

Amazing how you can glean exactly what Jesus' politcal views were, from an almost 2000 year old text, written hundreds of years after his death. A touch of wishful thinking on your behalf methinks.

Looking at how much what defines a "conservative" has changed over just the last 50 years, I think it's pretty safe to say that the definition would have changed somewhat since jesus' day....so to make the statement that "right wing" thinking is mutually exclusive to christianity is a bit of a nothing statement. Maybe you could clarify what you define as 'conservative right wing" views, and state what is incompatible with your idea of what jesus' thought?

Yes I am using todays definition of "conservative" and comparing it to the reported sayings and actions of jesus 2000 years ago.

By todays standards jesus would not be called "conservative".

What is todays definition of conservative? When you think of a conservative do you think of paleoconservatives? neocons? the religious right?

I was thinking of the dictionary definition,

"a: tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : traditional"

So not in the political sense at all...

Which is basically the point, the 'religious right' is a mixed metaphor...

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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #42 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 12:38pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:20am:

Conservative-ness and chirstianity can co-exist.

A conservative, but nature, picks a reference point of when the world was at its best, and tries to fight any change from that (good or bad).

While Jesus himself was very progressive, a conservative can pick any point in time after Jesus, and say "I'm sticking to this".

Right-wing, the "every man for himself" attitude, however does not sit with christianity.

i disagree with your narrow leftard version of a right winger

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Reply #44 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 1:06pm

and what makes you say that pansi ??
you have a quote to support it ?

you think, something like is inscribed on the base o the statue of l;iberty is right ?

"........"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

but that is the bastion of your much hated right wingers ?

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