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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #45 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 1:45pm

That maybe written there and it was actually followed for a while, then Republicans discovered imgrant fear sometime in the Raygun years.
Arizonia cops can stop you for being of suspect colour & demand ID.
No America is a fearful racist place now, kinda like here.

Right wingers may claim Jesus but Jesus would treat right wingers like he treated money lenders, ironically the right wingers best friends.

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12 And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves. 13 And He said to them, “It is written, ‘MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER’; but you are making it a ROBBERS’ DEN.”
14 And the blind and the lame came to Him in the temple, and He healed them. 15 But when the chief priests and the scribes saw the wonderful things that He had done, and the children who were shouting in the temple, “Hosanna to the Son of David,” they became indignant 16 and said to Him, “Do You hear what these children are saying?” And Jesus said to them, “Yes; have you never read, ‘OUT OF THE MOUTH OF INFANTS AND NURSING BABIES YOU HAVE PREPARED PRAISE FOR YOURSELF’?” 17 And He left them and went out of the city to Bethany, and spent the night there.

And then the right wingers got together & went to the Pilot to condem Jesus for turning "THEIR" house of profit & fear into a place of safety & love, and so it has been since.

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian? Reply #47 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:44pm No. I don't think people who lean to the left are less logical, but we are possibly less ruled by logic.
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Reply #48 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:46pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:44pm:

No. I don't think people who lean to the left are less logical, but we are possibly less ruled by logic.

Well, you wouldn't, being left leaning and all. I could prove it using logic and reason, but what would be the point? Only other righties would understand it.

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian? Reply #49 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 5:02pm Come now. Think of all the great liberal-minded thinkers throughout history. That's another thing - conservatives are much more narrow-minded than liberals too.
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Reply #50 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 5:25pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 5:02pm:

Come now. Think of all the great liberal-minded thinkers throughout history.

That's another thing - conservatives are much more narrow-minded than liberals too.

An ultra-progressive thinker of a few centuries ago would be considered extreme right today. When you're referring to historical figures, the labels are useless as the terms are relative, and bear little resemblance across the ages. The leftwing is now mainstream, so we have the ironic situtaion that the conservatives and now the ones calling for change. the conservatives are really the progressives and vice versa.

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An ultra-progressive thinker of a few centuries ago would be considered extreme right today.

Yes, I've read this a lot but I disagree. It is a process; most liberal thinkers have been motivated by empathy, but the issues change as they are resolved. I think you'd find that many liberal thinkers of the past would be liberal thinkers today if born and raised in our contemporary society.

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Reply #52 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:24pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:02pm:

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An ultra-progressive thinker of a few centuries ago would be considered extreme right today.

Yes, I've read this a lot but I disagree. It is a process; most liberal thinkers have been motivated by empathy, but the issues change as they are resolved. I think you'd find that many liberal thinkers of the past would be liberal thinkers today if born and raised in our contemporary society.

You might say the issues change as they are resolved - I'd say they don't get resolved in the first place. That demon of the past, current and future left - inequality - is never going to be resolved, it just takes different forms. If the best solution to the "problem" of real or imagined discrimination against some groups is simply to reverse the object of discrimination, then it doesn't take a whole lot of thought to see how that will turn out in the long run - just swap one set of victims for another and the problem is just displaced, not eliminated.

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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #53 - Nov 5^th, 2011 at 11:10pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:25pm:

... the two are incompatable as ideologies

The "dog eat dog" - "survival of the fittest" - capitalistic nirvana of "the right" - just doesn't gel with the compassion and egalitarianism shown in the example laid down by, one, Jesus Christ

If Jesus Christ DID exist, I believe he was a humanitarian, non-elected politician and lobbyist - and someone viewed as today's equivilent of a "socialist, radical agitator"

He appears to have judged NO-ONE - aside from merchants operating within the church - whose tables he upended, in a fit of rage

( ... I wonder what he'd make of TODAY'S merchants in the church ? http://www.vaticangift.com/ )

... and I CAN'T see Jesus Christ refusing safe refuge to desparate men, women and children fleeing for their lives from war zones

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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #54 - Nov 5^th, 2011 at 11:59pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:44pm:

No. I don't think people who lean to the left are less logical, but we are possibly less ruled by logic.

Classic.

Shake off those shackles of clear thinking!!! Logic is for the lawyers and the burgeoisie and scientists and their lackeys! Feel the fresh air of self-indulgence!

And you are enrolled at QLD Uni. You are one of the bourgeoisie. What's it like when you mean to be joking?? Must be a riot.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107058 Melbourne Gender:	Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian? Reply #55 - Nov 6^th, 2011 at 11:30am You can't be right wing and a follower of Jesus - Jesus was a communist.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian? Reply #56 - Nov 6^th, 2011 at 11:44am Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2011 at 11:30am: You can't be right wing and a follower of Jesus - Jesus was a communist. Close bobby....political revolutionary for certain...more 'freedom fighter' than commie...
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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #57 - Nov 6^th, 2011 at 12:00pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2011 at 11:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2011 at 11:30am:

You can't be right wing and a follower of Jesus -
Jesus was a communist.

Close bobby....political revolutionary for certain...more 'freedom fighter' than commie...

Matthew 19:
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[23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

That sort of leaves out rich right wingers doesn't it?
Next Longweekend will be telling us that he's poor. Grin

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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #58 - Nov 6^th, 2011 at 4:33pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2011 at 12:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2011 at 11:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2011 at 11:30am:

You can't be right wing and a follower of Jesus -
Jesus was a communist.

Close bobby....political revolutionary for certain...more 'freedom fighter' than commie...

Matthew 19:
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[23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

That sort of leaves out rich right wingers doesn't it?
Next Longweekend will be telling us that he's poor. Grin

Nah..ignore the 'bible' verses.....Jesus was trying to take over the government.....it was political...not religious...

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: What's wrong with being a right-wing Christian?
Reply #59 - Nov 6^th, 2011 at 4:57pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2011 at 12:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2011 at 11:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2011 at 11:30am:

You can't be right wing and a follower of Jesus -
Jesus was a communist.

Close bobby....political revolutionary for certain...more 'freedom fighter' than commie...

Matthew 19:
Quote:

[23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

That sort of leaves out rich right wingers doesn't it?
Next Longweekend will be telling us that he's poor. Grin

jesus was apolitical - "Give to ceaser what is ceasers and to God what is Gods"
Spiritual matters and political matters are of different spheres.

jesus was rich, his followers were rich.
the eye of a needle may have referred to the gateway of the villages/towns of that time.
The tops of the walls met over the entrance, were called a needle. For a camel to go through the eye of a needle may have been for a camel to walk through the gateway into the village/town.

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