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Reply #15 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:50am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:39am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:13am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 9:49am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 9:41am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 9:34am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 7:38am:

Swan is glued to Gillard if she gets dumped so will he.
Interesting the Tele are suggesting Labor may not get as bump in the polls by returning to Rudd, EVERY SINGLE poll taken suggests the opposite.

Rudd is the cause of many (if not all) of the problems that plague Labor in Canberra. I can't understand why they'd go back to him. It's a bit like a soccer coach removing a goal keeper who lets in 7 goals only to bring him back on for the second half. It makes no sense whatsoever to bring back Rudd.

Thats your opinion, it may well be true, but that doesn't change the fact Rudd has in every poll taken been the preferred PM over both Abbott and Gillard and Turnbull. The fact the right try to put him down so much just shows they can see the "precious" slipping from their grip if Rudd is returned.

Have you (and his other supporters) forgotten how dismally he polled in the dying stages of his Prime Ministership??? Whitlam could have polled better.

LOL those so called "dismall poll figures" were still higher than Abbotts. Grin

I know you're afraid, because this could well put the spot light back on Abbott,and so it should. Abbott is not good for this country and he does not deserve to slide into the lodge by default. You continually make the mistake of assuming I'm a Labor supporter, I'm not ,if the Libs had a decent leader I'd support them, but Abbott is not decent nor a leader, he's an attack dog reactionist who has proven to be the most effective opposition leader I have seen.I hope Labors move to dump Gillard will have a flow on effect and the Libs will dump Abbott, but if they dont I will support Rudd at the next election, as will many others who could never accept a loony like Abbott as PM.

At the end, Rudd was polling below 40% while Abbott was polling close to 50%. Don't know where you're getting your flimsy numbers from...

and no one want to concentrate on gillard and her figurers I find it really funny that the lab supporters on her almost never mention her name.. yet Tony is mentioned every post.. its laughable really ..

did anyone see the repeat of the repeat of this Lohan pest in America this morning appearing for about the 100 time in court..for violations about her probation conditions....I dont think I have a clue what this woman is famous for.. but I am sure all this is for publicity it cant be for anything else...unless its her playboy appearance. of course.

however as the saying goes any attention is better than being ignored... which brings me back to all the attention Tony receives.. and our stupid PM.. doesnt..did anyone see her leave the country? I know I didnt...lol.. can you imagine rudd as PM leaving without the cameras...it wouldnt happen..media harlot that he is.

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Reply #16 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:50am

"Bloody Hell it's a slow news day today, Boss, KK's not talking about her divorce, we did the refo beat up last week & considering a few of the scum drowned maybe we should lay off until next week "

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: When Push comes to Shove leave it to the Labor Par Reply #17 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:51am At the end, Rudd was polling below 40% while Abbott was polling close to 50%. Don't know where you're getting your flimsy numbers from... EVIDENCE?????????????????? Because as far as I remember Abbott never polled higher than Rudd as preferred PM, post up your numbers to prove yourself correct.
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Re: When Push comes to Shove leave it to the Labor Par
Reply #19 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:56am

skippy. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:51am:

At the end, Rudd was polling below 40% while Abbott was polling close to 50%. Don't know where you're getting your flimsy numbers from...
EVIDENCE??????????????????
Because as far as I remember Abbott never polled higher than Rudd as preferred PM, post up your numbers to prove yourself correct.

Rudd was at 39% approval, Abbott 45% approval. Fifty percent disapproval for Rudd, only 43% for Abbott...

http://www.newspoll.com.au/image_uploads/100705%20Federal%20Voting%20Intention%2...

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Reply #20 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:57am

I don't think it will matter all that much who is in the top seat in either party come election day. Everyone (almost) knows they are both infested with the same crapola. Both major parties should be concerned about the greens and the independents, or with the state of the country if they want to get serious.

It will be much of the same as last time, people trying to get around voting for the two major parties, either by invalid votes or not fronting up to the polling booth.

Has anyone heard or know of anyone who actually copped a fine for not voting in the last federal election?

I know people who didn't vote and they haven't got their fine yet.....still waiting! ho hum

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Reply #21 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:08am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:57am:

I don't think it will matter all that much who is in the top seat in either party come election day. Everyone (almost) knows they are both infested with the same crapola. Both major parties should be concerned about the greens and the independents, or with the state of the country if they want to get serious.

It will be much of the same as last time, people trying to get around voting for the two major parties, either by invalid votes or not fronting up to the polling booth.

Has anyone heard or know of anyone who actually copped a fine for not voting in the last federal election?

I know people who didn't vote and they haven't got their fine yet.....still waiting! ho hum

Given the way Independents such as Oakeshott and Windsor screwed their electorates, I'd be suprised if any Independent candidate does very well at the next election. As for the Greens, there's a lot of burning hatred out there for these idiots who want to force this ridiculous carbon tax upon us all, making our cost of living increase.

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Re: When Push comes to Shove leave it to the Labor Par
Reply #22 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:09am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:56am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:51am:

At the end, Rudd was polling below 40% while Abbott was polling close to 50%. Don't know where you're getting your flimsy numbers from...
EVIDENCE??????????????????
Because as far as I remember Abbott never polled higher than Rudd as preferred PM, post up your numbers to prove yourself correct.

Rudd was at 39% approval, Abbott 45% approval. Fifty percent disapproval for Rudd, only 43% for Abbott...

http://www.newspoll.com.au/image_uploads/100705%20Federal%20Voting%20Intention%2...

I was right wasn't I?
the last poll taken with RUDD as Pm had Labor ahead
55% to libs 45%
AND Rudd AHEAD OF ABBOTT AS PREFERRED PM
46% TO 37%

Why did you not post up those numbers?? oh thats right they prove me correct and you wrong, thanks. Grin

So Rudd was kicking Abbotts ass so was Labor,interesting hey?

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Re: When Push comes to Shove leave it to the Labor Par
Reply #24 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:16am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:56am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:51am:

At the end, Rudd was polling below 40% while Abbott was polling close to 50%. Don't know where you're getting your flimsy numbers from...
EVIDENCE??????????????????
Because as far as I remember Abbott never polled higher than Rudd as preferred PM, post up your numbers to prove yourself correct.

Rudd was at 39% approval, Abbott 45% approval. Fifty percent disapproval for Rudd, only 43% for Abbott...

http://www.newspoll.com.au/image_uploads/100705%20Federal%20Voting%20Intention%2...

You were saying (check attached details from the same NewsPoll link)...

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Reply #25 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:21am

You'd have made less of a goose of yourself if you'd just shut your mouth, armchair, I couldn't be bothered checking the figures and all you've done if highlight how Rudd was kicking Abbotts butt. Grin

I had no idea Rudd and Labor were so far ahead of the Libs in that last poll with Rudd as PM, thanks for that. Grin

At least it puts to bed the lies people here try to spin about Abbott out doing Rudd. Grin

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Re: When Push comes to Shove leave it to the Labor Par
Reply #26 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:28am

Dilemna Time ...

http://mollymediastudios.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/jfa2428l.jpgw=369&h=400

So who would the capitalist and Christian-Right sectors PREFER as Federal Labor leader ?

The female athiest, who would most likely be defeated at the 2013 Federal Election ?

Or the *former Prime Minister - and Christian - who internal polling shows would have a FAR greater chance of winning in 2013 ?

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( ... as well as being preffered PM over both Gillard and Abbott)

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Reply #27 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:36am

skippy. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:21am:

You'd have made less of a goose of yourself if you'd just shut your mouth, armchair, I couldn't be bothered checking the figures and all you've done if highlight how Rudd was kicking Abbotts butt. Grin

I had no idea Rudd and Labor were so far ahead of the Libs in that last poll with Rudd as PM, thanks for that. Grin

At least it puts to bed the lies people here try to spin about Abbott out doing Rudd. Grin

LOL, exposure on issues like this serves to highlight how much most right whingers tend to exaggerate in their own minds those things that they strongly agree or disagree with - and how out of touch they are with the goings on in the real-world...

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Reply #28 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:43am

Equitist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:36am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:21am:

You'd have made less of a goose of yourself if you'd just shut your mouth, armchair, I couldn't be bothered checking the figures and all you've done if highlight how Rudd was kicking Abbotts butt. Grin

I had no idea Rudd and Labor were so far ahead of the Libs in that last poll with Rudd as PM, thanks for that. Grin

At least it puts to bed the lies people here try to spin about Abbott out doing Rudd. Grin

LOL, exposure on issues like this serves to highlight how much most right whingers tend to exaggerate in their own minds those things that they strongly agree or disagree with - and how out of touch they are with the goings on in the real-world...

LOL so true, in fact I believe that armchair really believed the propaganda that Abbott was ahead of Rudd and thats why he went out to find that poll, the funny thing is even when he posted it up he still tried to put a positive spin on it even though Rudd was well ahead of Abbott as preferred PM and Labor were belting the Libs 55/45 TPP, sooo funny.
Well at least we can now put to bed the lie that Abbott bettered Rudd, and the best thing of all is it was a News Lmd poll that proved all the rightards wrong. How sweet it is. Grin

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Re: When Push comes to Shove leave it to the Labor Par
Reply #29 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:57am

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:28am:

Dilemna Time ...

So who would the capitalist and Christian-Right sectors PREFER as Federal Labor leader ?

The female athiest, who would most likely be defeated at the 2013 Federal Election ?

Or the *former Prime Minister - and Christian - who internal polling shows would have a FAR greater chance of winning in 2013 ?

*
( ... as well as being preffered PM over both Gillard and Abbott)

Bearing in MIND ...

Labor would win with Rudd as leader: poll

September 12, 2011

A new opinion poll suggests former prime minister Kevin Rudd could lead Labor to victory if a federal election was held today.

The latest Nielsen Poll published in today's Fairfax broadsheets says Labor's primary vote would jump from its current low level of 27 per cent to 42 per cent if the party brought Mr Rudd back as leader.

Labor would be ahead of the Coalition on the two-party preferred vote by four points, with a jump to 52 per cent.

But under Julia Gillard the poll shows no change for Labor since last month, with the Coalition ahead 58 per cent to 42 per cent in two-party standings

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-12/labor-would-win-with-rudd-as-leader-poll/2...

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