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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26420 Gender:	Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd Reply #15 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 3:18pm Uncle wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 2:39pm: http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/logical-fallacies.html#ad%20hominem From this day forth, you shall be known as "Ergo". Uncle no longer exists.
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Reply #16 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 3:23pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 3:18pm:

Uncle wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 2:39pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/logical-fallacies.html#ad%20hominem

From this day forth, you shall be known as "Ergo". Uncle no longer exists.

I see you've climbed our from under your rock ,we are waiting patiently for your response in this thread,ta. Grin

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=post;num=1320266692;quote=24;title...

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Reply #17 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:04pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:02am:

It astounds me that Labor is so desperate to reverse its fortunes that it would consider going back to the guy who is the cause of many of the problems facing the minority ALP government today. The border protection problems and the enormous debt are just two of the major problems caused by Rudd that have plagued Gillard (although she's had ample time to fix the border protection farce). I also don't believe Swan's threat to resign as to do so would mean the ALP no longer had the numbers to stay in power. This story from the Daily Telegraph...

KEVIN Rudd is being urged by key backers within the Labor Party to challenge Julia Gillard for the leadership as early as this month.

Labor figures behind the push for the former PM to take back the job he was removed from last June have confirmed he was now being advised by his closest confidants not to wait until next year but to launch a challenge as early as the second last week of November.

Senior sources within the NSW Right claim the leakage of support away from Ms Gillard, who flew out to France last night for the G20 leaders' meeting, was snowballing.

"There are three things that are certain: there is a leadership challenge under way, Rudd doesn't have a majority yet but has enough numbers to be a contender, and they are strategising about how to get it done," said a senior NSW right-wing source.

But there was mixed support for the idea of an early move, with some MPs claiming they would "deliver the leadership" to Mr Rudd in February - if he waited.

In a sign the PM is now taking seriously the threat of a challenge, an internal counter-offensive has been launched to shore up her leadership.

The PM is reported over the past week to have lobbied key affiliated union officials with influence over caucus members to stick with her. Treasurer Wayne Swan is also believed to have privately warned several NSW Labor colleagues that he would resign if they supported a move to return Mr Rudd as leader.

The Daily Telegraph revealed two weeks ago that federal NSW Right MPs were softening in their support for Ms Gillard following the bungled Malaysia asylum seeker deal and their deepening concerns about the PM's poker machine reform deal with independent Andrew Wilkie.

"It sent Gillard and Swan's office into a panic. Swan has told people that he would quit if we went to Rudd but I doubt he was serious. He wouldn't want to be remembered as the bloke that brought down a Labor government," a senior member of the NSW right said.

Mr Swan would not comment last night.

Parliament has only one sitting week left after this week, during which a full meeting of the Labor caucus - required for a ballot - could be held. The next opportunity would not come until February when parliament returns from the summer break.

Sources close to Mr Rudd said he was well advanced on a policy pitch to address Labor's desperate electoral problems over issues including asylum seekers, the carbon tax and problem gambling.

One senior Labor figure, a Rudd supporter, claimed business was starting to "get edgy" over the government's unresolved leadership crisis.

"Business knows it's a question of when and want it sorted," they said.

Despite Mr Rudd's commanding public popularity, a boost in support for the government if Ms Gillard was rolled was not assured. Secret Coalition research conducted recently concluded voters believed the country was drifting.

Voters believe Labor's policies were out of synch with mainstream values, targeting key policy areas including the carbon tax and asylum seeker policy. They also expressed concern at the influence of the so-called faceless men.

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Reply #18 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:17pm

Why would Labor dump Julia for Kevin when everyone in Labor hates him and they would have lost the last election had he still been PM?
Two more years of neo cons grasping at straws because they dont know the meaning of "bad losers".
Get over it, Abbott lost the last election and theres 2 more years until the next one. You can vote Liberal then Grin

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Reply #19 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:26pm

adelcrow wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:17pm:

Why would Labor dump Julia for Kevin when everyone in Labor hates him and they would have lost the last election had he still been PM?
Two more years of neo cons grasping at straws because they dont know the meaning of "bad losers".
Get over it, Abbott lost the last election and theres 2 more years until the next one. You can vote Liberal then Grin

huhum it was on the news as well...should we hide from the news do you think would that make the next 2 years easier for you??

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Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd
Reply #20 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:25pm

cods wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 12:27pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 12:07pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:10am:

Moderators this story already exists. Why are people so stupid and lazy to check what is already posted.

... and I'll ask the SAME QUESTION

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:28am:

Dilemna Time ...

So who would the capitalist and Christian-Right sectors PREFER as Federal Labor leader ?

The female athiest, who would most likely be defeated at the 2013 Federal Election ?

Or the *former Prime Minister - and Christian - who internal polling shows would have a FAR greater chance of winning in 2013 ?

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( ... as well as being preffered PM over both Gillard and Abbott)

Bearing in MIND ...

Labor would win with Rudd as leader: poll

September 12, 2011

A new opinion poll suggests former prime minister Kevin Rudd could lead Labor to victory if a federal election was held today.

The latest Nielsen Poll published in today's Fairfax broadsheets says Labor's primary vote would jump from its current low level of 27 per cent to 42 per cent if the party brought Mr Rudd back as leader.

Labor would be ahead of the Coalition on the two-party preferred vote by four points, with a jump to 52 per cent.

But under Julia Gillard the poll shows no change for Labor since last month, with the Coalition ahead 58 per cent to 42 per cent in two-party standings

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-12/labor-would-win-with-rudd-as-leader-poll/2...

you have a thing about Christians and being right!!.. whats wrong with being a Christian and being from the right?

Because the two are incompatable as ideologies

The "dog eat dog" - "survival of the fittest" - capitalistic nirvana of "the right" - just doesn't gel with the compassion and egalitarianism shown in the example laid down by, one, Jesus Christ

If Jesus Christ DID exist, I believe he was a humanitarian, non-elected politician and lobbyist - and someone viewed as today's equivilent of a "socialist, radical agitator"

He appears to have judged NO-ONE - aside from merchants operating within the church - whose tables he upended, in a fit of rage

( ... I wonder what he'd make of TODAY'S merchants in the church ? http://www.vaticangift.com/ )

... and I CAN'T see Jesus Christ refusing safe refuge to desparate men, women and children fleeing for their lives from war zones

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'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

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Reply #21 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:33pm

cods wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:26pm:

adelcrow wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:17pm:

Why would Labor dump Julia for Kevin when everyone in Labor hates him and they would have lost the last election had he still been PM?
Two more years of neo cons grasping at straws because they dont know the meaning of "bad losers".
Get over it, Abbott lost the last election and theres 2 more years until the next one. You can vote Liberal then Grin

huhum it was on the news as well...should we hide from the news do you think would that make the next 2 years easier for you??

I doubt the Liberal Party constantly trying to undermine the govt and the economy is really news..its just the usual day to day fare from the born to rule class that cant understand why they lost the last election.

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Reply #22 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:39pm

Theres only 1 person in the country that genuinely thinks Labor is going to roll Julia so Rudd can take over as PM...and that person is Kevin Rudd.
The Coalition just keeps going on about it because it destracts the general public from asking questions about the Coalitions lack of policies and constant dog whistling.

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Reply #23 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:51pm

Uncle wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 1:16pm:

Jesus Christ wasn't rightwing. Ergo, a true Christian cannot be rightwing.

what a stupid statement. left/right dichotomies hardly apply to the Son of God who was after all TOTALLY INCLUSIVE. Caring for the poor is hardly exclusively a leftwing attribute. in fact, lefties CAUSE most poverty and right wing conservatives are the gretest distributors of wealth EVER. all lefties ever distribute is poverty.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #24 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:52pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:25pm:

cods wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 12:27pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 12:07pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:10am:

Moderators this story already exists. Why are people so stupid and lazy to check what is already posted.

... and I'll ask the SAME QUESTION

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:28am:

Dilemna Time ...

So who would the capitalist and Christian-Right sectors PREFER as Federal Labor leader ?

The female athiest, who would most likely be defeated at the 2013 Federal Election ?

Or the *former Prime Minister - and Christian - who internal polling shows would have a FAR greater chance of winning in 2013 ?

*
( ... as well as being preffered PM over both Gillard and Abbott)

Bearing in MIND ...

Labor would win with Rudd as leader: poll

September 12, 2011

A new opinion poll suggests former prime minister Kevin Rudd could lead Labor to victory if a federal election was held today.

The latest Nielsen Poll published in today's Fairfax broadsheets says Labor's primary vote would jump from its current low level of 27 per cent to 42 per cent if the party brought Mr Rudd back as leader.

Labor would be ahead of the Coalition on the two-party preferred vote by four points, with a jump to 52 per cent.

But under Julia Gillard the poll shows no change for Labor since last month, with the Coalition ahead 58 per cent to 42 per cent in two-party standings

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-12/labor-would-win-with-rudd-as-leader-poll/2...

you have a thing about Christians and being right!!.. whats wrong with being a Christian and being from the right?

Because the two are incompatable as ideologies

The "dog eat dog" - "survival of the fittest" - capitalistic nirvana of "the right" - just doesn't gel with the compassion and egalitarianism shown in the example laid down by, one, Jesus Christ

If Jesus Christ DID exist, I believe he was a humanitarian, non-elected politician and lobbyist - and someone viewed as today's equivilent of a "socialist, radical agitator"

He appears to have judged NO-ONE - aside from merchants operating within the church - whose tables he upended, in a fit of rage

( ... I wonder what he'd make of TODAY'S merchants in the church ? http://www.vaticangift.com/ )

... and I CAN'T see Jesus Christ refusing safe refuge to desparate men, women and children fleeing for their lives from war zones

Jesus also opposed homosexuality. If you want to quite Him then how about quoting ALL of Him and in context.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #25 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:54pm

adelcrow wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:39pm:

Theres only 1 person in the country that genuinely thinks Labor is going to roll Julia so Rudd can take over as PM...and that person is Kevin Rudd.
The Coalition just keeps going on about it because it destracts the general public from asking questions about the Coalitions lack of policies and constant dog whistling.

feel the denial... it is clearly obvious that Rudd is making a comeback attempt. it is even more obvious that Rudd would regain probably 5% of the vote - enough to salvage 10-20 MPs from the scrap heap. he cant win the next election, but he can lose by a lesser margin than Gillard.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49458 At my desk.	Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd Reply #26 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:59pm If you want the moderators to merge topics you should provide links. We don't go looking for work to do.
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########## Ex Member	Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd Reply #27 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:59pm .....meanwhile Ms Gillard is running the country with grace and never shows ruffled feathers...
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Reply #28 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 7:19pm

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.....meanwhile Ms Gillard is running the country with grace and never shows ruffled feathers...

pity about running the country with COMPETENCE
or
running the country the way the country itself wants.

her notable skills unfortunately dont include ability to lead, ability to listen or ability to be inclusive.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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log_me_in Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 132	Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd Reply #29 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 7:22pm Quote: .....meanwhile Ms Gillard is running the country with grace and never shows ruffled feathers... Oh dear...Grace and Gillard should never be mentioned in the same sentence. That goes for statesmanship, poise and dignity as well
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