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Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd
Reply #30 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 7:25pm

Uncle wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 1:52pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 1:25pm:

Uncle wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 1:16pm:

Jesus Christ wasn't rightwing. Ergo, a true Christian cannot be rightwing.

Ergo you are an idiot...

Really? Remember Matthew 24:31?

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

Verse 34 is clearly the policy of the Left in Canberra. It is the policy of The Greens amongst others. It is not the policy of the Coalition.

Now drawing a rather straight forward analogy to refugees, you can clearly see that those on his left (verse 41), ie "the goats" are blatantly Un-Christian. So much so that God sends them to hell. Yet this is the exact policy of the Coalition Party towards refugees. The Policy of the rightwing.

And I'm the idiot? Cheesy

absolutely. social welfare has mainly come from the conservative parties. The greatest increas came under Howard. The first family income supplements under Fraser. the first child payments under Menzies. and on and on it goes.

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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd Reply #31 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 7:30pm Quote: .....meanwhile Ms Gillard is running the country with grace and never shows ruffled feathers... I think you're quite right vegi and I think it's a good tactic on her part.
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Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd
Reply #32 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 7:34pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:54pm:

adelcrow wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:39pm:

Theres only 1 person in the country that genuinely thinks Labor is going to roll Julia so Rudd can take over as PM...and that person is Kevin Rudd.
The Coalition just keeps going on about it because it destracts the general public from asking questions about the Coalitions lack of policies and constant dog whistling.

feel the denial... it is clearly obvious that Rudd is making a comeback attempt. it is even more obvious that Rudd would regain probably 5% of the vote - enough to salvage 10-20 MPs from the scrap heap. he cant win the next election, but he can lose by a lesser margin than Gillard.

yyaaaarrrr... keep dreaming. You've only got another 2 years to go.

By the way, how's Malcolm's aspirations going? Joliar seems to have made a bit of a move recently as well. Has anyone painted a target on Tony's back yet?

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Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd
Reply #33 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 7:55pm

Gist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 7:30pm:

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.....meanwhile Ms Gillard is running the country with grace and never shows ruffled feathers...

I think you're quite right vegi and I think it's a good tactic on her part.

Clearly both of you haven't watched much of question time lately. For what it's worth I think the behaviour from both sides of parliament is nothing short of appalling.

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Politicians and Nappies need to be changed often and for the same reason.

One trouble with political jokes is that they often get elected.

Alan Joyce for PM

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Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd
Reply #34 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:08pm

skippy. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 3:23pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 3:18pm:

Uncle wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 2:39pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/logical-fallacies.html#ad%20hominem

From this day forth, you shall be known as "Ergo". Uncle no longer exists.

I see you've climbed our from under your rock ,we are waiting patiently for your response in this thread,ta. Grin

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=post;num=1320266692;quote=24;title...

Feels like I got hit by a truck, actually. Would prefer to crawl under a rock. First my 16 month-old son gets sick and I have to take this week off work to keep him home (daycare wouldn't take him while he is contagious) and then I got knocked for six with a nasty bug! Oh, I need a holiday, lol!

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Reply #35 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 2:11pm

I'm interested to know why this thread has still not been moved into cod's? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1320266692

Have your partisan ways really polarised you THAT much, longie? You know you keep preaching bout how you made this thread better because you got rid of DRAH and the other crazy one. And good on you for setting those ground rules. But if you feel that's all that was needed to make this place better then I suggest you hand back your moderator priviledges because evidently you don't need them any longer.

If you are going to lay down rules, then do so regardless of your evident bias. Move this thread.

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Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd
Reply #36 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 3:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:52pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:25pm:

cods wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 12:27pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 12:07pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:10am:

Moderators this story already exists. Why are people so stupid and lazy to check what is already posted.

... and I'll ask the SAME QUESTION

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:28am:

Dilemna Time ...

So who would the capitalist and Christian-Right sectors PREFER as Federal Labor leader ?

The female athiest, who would most likely be defeated at the 2013 Federal Election ?

Or the *former Prime Minister - and Christian - who internal polling shows would have a FAR greater chance of winning in 2013 ?

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( ... as well as being preffered PM over both Gillard and Abbott)

Bearing in MIND ...

Labor would win with Rudd as leader: poll

September 12, 2011

A new opinion poll suggests former prime minister Kevin Rudd could lead Labor to victory if a federal election was held today.

The latest Nielsen Poll published in today's Fairfax broadsheets says Labor's primary vote would jump from its current low level of 27 per cent to 42 per cent if the party brought Mr Rudd back as leader.

Labor would be ahead of the Coalition on the two-party preferred vote by four points, with a jump to 52 per cent.

But under Julia Gillard the poll shows no change for Labor since last month, with the Coalition ahead 58 per cent to 42 per cent in two-party standings

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-12/labor-would-win-with-rudd-as-leader-poll/2...

you have a thing about Christians and being right!!.. whats wrong with being a Christian and being from the right?

Because the two are incompatable as ideologies

The "dog eat dog" - "survival of the fittest" - capitalistic nirvana of "the right" - just doesn't gel with the compassion and egalitarianism shown in the example laid down by, one, Jesus Christ

If Jesus Christ DID exist, I believe he was a humanitarian, non-elected politician and lobbyist - and someone viewed as today's equivilent of a "socialist, radical agitator"

He appears to have judged NO-ONE - aside from merchants operating within the church - whose tables he upended, in a fit of rage

( ... I wonder what he'd make of TODAY'S merchants in the church ? http://www.vaticangift.com/ )

... and I CAN'T see Jesus Christ refusing safe refuge to desparate men, women and children fleeing for their lives from war zones

Jesus also opposed homosexuality. If you want to quite Him then how about quoting ALL of Him and in context.

To MY knowledge, his opinion was never quoted on the subject
If he DID - it may have been but one black mark on his character

I think he was "one cool dude", in most respects - and a revolutionary in history whose influence is still felt today

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'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd Reply #37 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 3:07pm Quote: absolutely. social welfare has mainly come from the conservative parties. Do these idiots really believe this sh it, or is he trying to give us a laugh?? talk about delusional.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59372 Here Gender:	Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd Reply #38 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 5:03pm November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd Wonder what they will have to say come 1/12/2011 and nothing has happened.
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########## Ex Member	Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd Reply #39 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 5:28pm RT Gordon Graham #Morgan Phone 2PP: ALP 48.5 (+4.5) L/NP 51.5 (-4.5)
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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd Reply #40 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 5:30pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2011 at 5:03pm: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd Wonder what they will have to say come 1/12/2011 and nothing has happened. Did they actually include the year??
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Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd
Reply #41 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 5:57pm

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RT Gordon Graham #Morgan Phone 2PP: ALP 48.5 (+4.5) L/NP 51.5 (-4.5)

Thanks veg. That November coup seems like a Real Sure Thing now... Cheesy

For those that like to see the longer term picture:

http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2011/4713/

Tony can't win a trick today can he? Grin

EDIT: Added a link to where that graph came from. Apologies for not including that earlier

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########## Ex Member	Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd Reply #42 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 7:00pm Yes Gist, I think that there will be a coup plotting on Abbott, pressure being on Turnbull.
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Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd
Reply #43 - Nov 5^th, 2011 at 9:14am

The latest telephone Morgan Poll shows a large drop in support for the L-NP 51.5% (down 4% from the telephone Morgan Poll conducted last week on the nights of October 25/26, 2011) compared to the ALP 48.5% (up 4%) on a Two-Party preferred basis. The L-NP primary vote is 45% (down 2%) still well ahead of the ALP 34% (up 3%).

If a Federal election were held today the L-NP would win with a small majority according to today’s Morgan Poll.

The Roy Morgan Government Confidence Rating has risen to 105.5 (up 3.5pts) with 48.5% (up 3.5%) — saying Australia is ‘heading in the right direction,’ while 43% (unchanged) say Australia is ‘heading in the wrong direction.’

The latest weekly Roy Morgan Consumer Confidence Rating conducted last weekend, October 29/30, 2011, was at 116.8 (up 2.1pts from October 22/23, 2011).

Gary Morgan says:
“For the real poll watchers the Two-Party preferred table shows both the Two-Party preferred calculated based on how people say they will give their preferences; and also based on the same preference allocation given in the last election. Although most electors ‘vote the card’ it is still interesting to measure how people say they will give their preferences as an indicator of soft support for the major parties. The minor parties and Independents today are preferencing the ALP more strongly than previously. This could be a further good sign for the ALP.”

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd Reply #44 - Nov 5^th, 2011 at 9:51am dont you love it when the polls lift ever so slightly in Labs favour out they all come breathlessly believing in polls.. yet when they dip... well we have 2 years dont forget.. hilarious.. its like watching the bouncing ball watching one of these grids...boring as hell and totally irrelevant..
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