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Re: Greens, GetUp! angry over Hitler slur
Reply #30 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 12:33am
 
Senator apologises to Jews for slur

November 3, 2011.


A Liberal senator has apologised for offending the Jewish community by drawing a comparison between the lobby group GetUp! and the Hitler Youth.

Senator Ian Macdonald made the comparison today in the Senate, referring to GetUp! as the "Hitler Youth wing of the Greens political movement".

His interjection came as Labor moved to curtail the debate on the carbon tax and force a vote on its clean energy bills package next Tuesday.

The coalition claimed the Greens and GetUp! knew about the move ahead of senators.

Greens deputy leader Christine Milne objected to the comment by Senator Macdonald, calling on Senate deputy president Stephen Parry to rule the comment out of order, which he did not.

Senator Macdonald stood by his remark when challenged by Senator Milne.

He later rose in the Senate to admit to making the comparison and apologising to the Jewish community.

"I want to take this opportunity to unreservedly apologise for any offence taken by the remarks to the Jewish community," Senator Macdonald said.

"As for GetUp!, their attempts to stifle debate on the carbon tax in the Senate through the Greens demonstrates their political agenda very clearly."

Senator Milne said later the coalition's dirty politics had hit a new low.

"This is an extraordinary abuse of the memories of the countless millions slaughtered by the Nazis and an abhorrent offence to Holocaust survivors and their families," she said.

The Greens will refer both Liberal senators to the upper house privileges committee.

Senator Parry said later the remark was offensive but not a point of order.

In a media statement this evening he said while he might not agree with Senator Macdonald's comments, they were still not a point of order.

"The role of the senator presiding over the Senate during debate is to enforce standing orders and maintain order, not to censor debate," he said.

Senator Parry said he had reminded all of his colleagues, including Senator Macdonald, that interjections during debates were disorderly.

"Advice provided by the clerk of the Senate, during the course of the point of order, was consistent with the deputy president's ruling," he said.

"Senator Macdonald did not have the call at the time and therefore could not be recognised as speaking during the debate."

The Greens also want Liberal leader Tony Abbott to insist his senator withdraw the remark.

GetUp! accused Senator Macdonald of cowardly hiding behind the veil of parliamentary privilege.

Likening the lobby group to Hitler's youth wing was a comparison that carried with it "a weight of hatred and ignorance", the group's national director Simon Sheikh said.

"Parliamentarians and indeed all Australians should condemn the statement as both offensive and a wasteful distraction to the Senate's important work," Mr Sheikh said.

GetUp! is making a formal complaint to the Senate privileges committee and has called on Senator Macdonald to apologise.



http://www.theage.com.au/national/senator-apologises-to-jews-for-slur-20111103-1...
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Reply #31 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 5:24am
 
log_me_in wrote on Nov 4th, 2011 at 12:07am:
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ooh...the sock puppets are brave tonight

Does getuppity pay you to display your idiocy or do you do it for free just because you are so good at it?



Are you an idiot? Or a troll?

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Reply #32 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 12:37pm
 
... wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 7:17pm:
It wasn't the hitler youth that did the killing, they were closer to boy scouts than death squads.  If we can get past the nazi=outrage conditioned response, we can see that both getup and the hitler youth are orgnisations acting as vessels for political indoctrination.  In that sense, the analogy is apt, but of course in this day and age, being politically correct is more important than being accurate.



Might want to brush up on your history Wes

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In 1940, Artur Axmann replaced Schirach as Reichsjugendführer and took over leadership of the Hitler Youth. Axmann began to reform the group into an auxiliary force which could perform war duties. The Hitler Youth became active in German fire brigades and assisted with recovery efforts to German cities affected from Allied bombing. The Hitler Youth also assisted in such organizations as the Reich Postal Service, Deutsche Reichsbahn, fire services, and Reich radio service, and served among anti-aircraft defense crews.

By 1943, Nazi leaders began turning the Hitler Youth into a military reserve to draw manpower which had been depleted due to tremendous military losses. In 1943, the 12.SS-Panzer-Division Hitlerjugend, under the command of SS-Brigadeführer Fritz Witt, was formed. The Division was a fully equipped Waffen-SS panzer division, with the majority of the enlisted cadre being drawn from Hitler Youth boys between the ages of 16 and 18. The division was deployed during the Battle of Normandy against the British and Canadian forces to the north of Caen. During the following months, the division earned itself a reputation for ferocity and fanaticism. When Witt was killed by allied naval gunfire, SS-Brigadeführer Kurt Meyer took over command and became the youngest divisional commander at age 33.

As German casualties escalated with the combination of Operation Bagration and the Lvov-Sandomierz Operation in the east, and Operation Cobra in the west, members of the Hitlerjugend were recruited at ever younger ages. By 1945, the Volkssturm was commonly drafting 12-year-old Hitler Youth members into its ranks. During the Battle of Berlin, Axmann's Hitler Youth formed a major part of the last line of German defense, and were reportedly among the fiercest fighters. Although the city commander, General Helmuth Weidling, ordered Axmann to disband the Hitler Youth combat formations; in the confusion, this order was never carried out. The remnants of the youth brigade were "mowed down" by the advancing Russian forces; only two survivors remained.[11]


I also think you'll find that they were the fierest Death squads as they still had the zeal & were to young to recognise defeat.
Many a German man has hung or shoot by young boys from the Hitler youth.
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Reply #33 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 12:51pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 4th, 2011 at 12:37pm:
... wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 7:17pm:
It wasn't the hitler youth that did the killing, they were closer to boy scouts than death squads.  If we can get past the nazi=outrage conditioned response, we can see that both getup and the hitler youth are orgnisations acting as vessels for political indoctrination.  In that sense, the analogy is apt, but of course in this day and age, being politically correct is more important than being accurate.



Might want to brush up on your history Wes

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In 1940, Artur Axmann replaced Schirach as Reichsjugendführer and took over leadership of the Hitler Youth. Axmann began to reform the group into an auxiliary force which could perform war duties. The Hitler Youth became active in German fire brigades and assisted with recovery efforts to German cities affected from Allied bombing. The Hitler Youth also assisted in such organizations as the Reich Postal Service, Deutsche Reichsbahn, fire services, and Reich radio service, and served among anti-aircraft defense crews.

By 1943, Nazi leaders began turning the Hitler Youth into a military reserve to draw manpower which had been depleted due to tremendous military losses. In 1943, the 12.SS-Panzer-Division Hitlerjugend, under the command of SS-Brigadeführer Fritz Witt, was formed. The Division was a fully equipped Waffen-SS panzer division, with the majority of the enlisted cadre being drawn from Hitler Youth boys between the ages of 16 and 18. The division was deployed during the Battle of Normandy against the British and Canadian forces to the north of Caen. During the following months, the division earned itself a reputation for ferocity and fanaticism. When Witt was killed by allied naval gunfire, SS-Brigadeführer Kurt Meyer took over command and became the youngest divisional commander at age 33.

As German casualties escalated with the combination of Operation Bagration and the Lvov-Sandomierz Operation in the east, and Operation Cobra in the west, members of the Hitlerjugend were recruited at ever younger ages. By 1945, the Volkssturm was commonly drafting 12-year-old Hitler Youth members into its ranks. During the Battle of Berlin, Axmann's Hitler Youth formed a major part of the last line of German defense, and were reportedly among the fiercest fighters. Although the city commander, General Helmuth Weidling, ordered Axmann to disband the Hitler Youth combat formations; in the confusion, this order was never carried out. The remnants of the youth brigade were "mowed down" by the advancing Russian forces; only two survivors remained.[11]


I also think you'll find that they were the fierest Death squads as they still had the zeal & were to young to recognise defeat.
Many a German man has hung or shoot by young boys from the Hitler youth.


If you handed me the keys to a panzer at 16 I'd think you were the coolest cat alive.

Not to suggest the appropriateness of the actions mind.

The suggestion that Get-up is akin to Hitler youth is deplorable in my view FWIW.
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Reply #34 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 1:08pm
 
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If we can get past the nazi=outrage conditioned response, we can see that both getup and the hitler youth are orgnisations acting as vessels for political indoctrination
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Might want to brush up on your history Wes

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I see from your response there Dsmithy that it doesnt take away at all the notion that getup and the greens are behaving like nazis minus the BLOODLUST AND JACKBOOTS, NOT JUST GETUP, BUT JUST LOOK AT OUR ENTIRE EDUCATION SYSTEM OF OUR NATION , IT IS MOSTLY PRO LEFT ,
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Just thinking about this debate, in the ironic context of comments previously made over Anti-semitic allegations...

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thinking about this debate, in the ironic context of comments previously made over Anti-semitic allegations...

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I hear and read that some of the lefties over in america in the occupy wall street to occupy every major city movement isnt short on anti semitic spite,
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Reply #37 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 1:24pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 4th, 2011 at 12:37pm:
... wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 7:17pm:
It wasn't the hitler youth that did the killing, they were closer to boy scouts than death squads.  If we can get past the nazi=outrage conditioned response, we can see that both getup and the hitler youth are orgnisations acting as vessels for political indoctrination.  In that sense, the analogy is apt, but of course in this day and age, being politically correct is more important than being accurate.



Might want to brush up on your history Wes

Quote:
In 1940, Artur Axmann replaced Schirach as Reichsjugendführer and took over leadership of the Hitler Youth. Axmann began to reform the group into an auxiliary force which could perform war duties. The Hitler Youth became active in German fire brigades and assisted with recovery efforts to German cities affected from Allied bombing. The Hitler Youth also assisted in such organizations as the Reich Postal Service, Deutsche Reichsbahn, fire services, and Reich radio service, and served among anti-aircraft defense crews.

By 1943, Nazi leaders began turning the Hitler Youth into a military reserve to draw manpower which had been depleted due to tremendous military losses. In 1943, the 12.SS-Panzer-Division Hitlerjugend, under the command of SS-Brigadeführer Fritz Witt, was formed. The Division was a fully equipped Waffen-SS panzer division, with the majority of the enlisted cadre being drawn from Hitler Youth boys between the ages of 16 and 18. The division was deployed during the Battle of Normandy against the British and Canadian forces to the north of Caen. During the following months, the division earned itself a reputation for ferocity and fanaticism. When Witt was killed by allied naval gunfire, SS-Brigadeführer Kurt Meyer took over command and became the youngest divisional commander at age 33.

As German casualties escalated with the combination of Operation Bagration and the Lvov-Sandomierz Operation in the east, and Operation Cobra in the west, members of the Hitlerjugend were recruited at ever younger ages. By 1945, the Volkssturm was commonly drafting 12-year-old Hitler Youth members into its ranks. During the Battle of Berlin, Axmann's Hitler Youth formed a major part of the last line of German defense, and were reportedly among the fiercest fighters. Although the city commander, General Helmuth Weidling, ordered Axmann to disband the Hitler Youth combat formations; in the confusion, this order was never carried out. The remnants of the youth brigade were "mowed down" by the advancing Russian forces; only two survivors remained.[11]


I also think you'll find that they were the fierest Death squads as they still had the zeal & were to young to recognise defeat.
Many a German man has hung or shoot by young boys from the Hitler youth.


Ahhh I see the distinction - the hitler youth actually made themselves useful - Exactly the oppsoite of what you'd expect of a getup member.


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Axmann began to reform the group into an auxiliary force which could perform war duties. The Hitler Youth became active in German fire brigades and assisted with recovery efforts to German cities affected from Allied bombing. The Hitler Youth also assisted in such organizations as the Reich Postal Service, Deutsche Reichsbahn, fire services, and Reich radio service, and served among anti-aircraft defense crews.
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Reply #38 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 1:28pm
 
stryder wrote on Nov 4th, 2011 at 1:08pm:
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If we can get past the nazi=outrage conditioned response, we can see that both getup and the hitler youth are orgnisations acting as vessels for political indoctrination
by Wesley pipes

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Might want to brush up on your history Wes

by dsmithy


I see from your response there Dsmithy that it doesnt take away at all the notion that getup and the greens are behaving like nazis minus the BLOODLUST AND JACKBOOTS, NOT JUST GETUP, BUT JUST LOOK AT OUR ENTIRE EDUCATION SYSTEM OF OUR NATION , IT IS MOSTLY PRO LEFT ,


Your an idiot
Yeah all teachers are lefties communists teaching our children to hate god & the liberal party, you paranoid wanker.
Grow up, do you even know what GetUp is? do you even know Greens policy.
The closest thing we have to the lovely historical comparissions you want to make would be Tony Abbotts liberal party.
Who consistently scores political points at the expense of minorities.
The Greens or The Liberals?

Who keeps repeating "Stop the Boats"
GetUp or Liberals?

Who raised the cost of having families attend the funerals of their loved ones?
The Greens or Liberals?

Who wants to tow leaky boats back to international waters & leave them to their fate?(how very Christian)
GetUp or Liberals?


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NOT JUST GETUP, BUT JUST LOOK AT OUR ENTIRE EDUCATION SYSTEM OF OUR NATION , IT IS MOSTLY PRO LEFT ,  
By ME STRYDER  Grin Grin Grin


Now the nazis in the 1930s transformed every classroom in germany to mostly and in there case completely taught one political Persuasion .

ARENT THE LEFTIES DOING THE SAME WITH ONE POLITICAL PERSUASION SINCE THE LEFTIE BELIEVERS DOMINATE THE EDUCATION SYSTEM IN AUSTRALIA ????
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Reply #40 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 1:42pm
 


stryder wrote on Nov 4th, 2011 at 1:29pm:
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NOT JUST GETUP, BUT JUST LOOK AT OUR ENTIRE EDUCATION SYSTEM OF OUR NATION , IT IS MOSTLY PRO LEFT ,  
By ME STRYDER  Grin Grin Grin


Now the nazis in the 1930s transformed every classroom in germany to mostly and in there case completely taught one political Persuasion .

ARENT THE LEFTIES DOING THE SAME WITH ONE POLITICAL PERSUASION SINCE THE LEFTIE BELIEVERS DOMINATE THE EDUCATION SYSTEM IN AUSTRALIA ????





Now, there's a project for Matty, Stryder et al: try to train up an army of Young Lib suckholes to infiltrate the education system - but they would have to pass the course themselves before they could condescend to teach in our public schools!


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Reply #41 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 1:47pm
 
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I know enough to know what complete idiots they are, AND LET ME TELL YOU ONE THING DSMITHY, I EXPERIENCED LEFT LEANING TEACHERS IN MY DAY WHEN I WAS GOING TO SCHOOL AND WHEN I LISTEN TO MY NEPHEWS WHO GO TO SCHOOL TODAY, SOME THINGS DONT CHANGE
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stryder wrote on Nov 4th, 2011 at 1:47pm:
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Grow up, do you even know what GetUp is? do you even know Greens policy
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I know enough to know what complete idiots they are, AND LET ME TELL YOU ONE THING DSMITHY, I EXPERIENCED LEFT LEANING TEACHERS IN MY DAY WHEN I WAS GOING TO SCHOOL AND WHEN I LISTEN TO MY NEPHEWS WHO GO TO SCHOOL TODAY, SOME THINGS DONT CHANGE





What, do your nephews also type in large Tahoma font - and in CAPS-lock!?

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stryder wrote on Nov 4th, 2011 at 1:47pm:
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Grow up, do you even know what GetUp is? do you even know Greens policy
By dsmithy


I know enough to know what complete idiots they are, AND LET ME TELL YOU ONE THING DSMITHY, I EXPERIENCED LEFT LEANING TEACHERS IN MY DAY WHEN I WAS GOING TO SCHOOL AND WHEN I LISTEN TO MY NEPHEWS WHO GO TO SCHOOL TODAY, SOME THINGS DONT CHANGE


And what LEFTY thing was that?
Fair days work for a fair days pay?
8 hours work/8 hours/play/8 hours rest?
You have the right to come home from work uninjured & alive
Your employer cannot treat you as a piece of sh!t
We should care about those less fortunate?

You put it out there in your usual broad brush way, narrow it down, give us an example, who knows I might agree.
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Reply #44 - Nov 4th, 2011 at 1:59pm
 
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Now, there's a project for Matty, Stryder et al: try to train up an army of Young Lib suckholes to infiltrate the education system
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I dont want one political persuasion to dominate the other, THESE ARE CHILDREN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, LET THEM BE EXPOSED TO BOTH POLITICAL PERSUASIONS RATHER THAN ONE BE DOMINATED BY THE LEFTIES IN A CLASSROOM, SO THAT THESE CHILDREN CAN MAKE UP THERE OWN MINDS, ISNT THAT FAIR ENOUGH EQUITIST ????????



Isnt that fair and equal like YOU LEFTIES SCREAM ABOUT, Equitist ???
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