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Re: 19/20 pieces of Birthday cake given to one child
Reply #30 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 1:28pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 4^th, 2011 at 11:16am:

You're right Wesley.

Let's not burden them with numeracy or literacy skills either.

Thtas the stupidest "analogy" i've ever read, so i won't dignify it with clarifrication. What i will do, however, is repeat - why would you teach your children that there are a shadowy 'elite" plotting and scheming to keep them down. That just breeds the oppression mentality that leads to people wallowing in self-pity, claiming 'da man" is responsible for all their failings. Wallowing in your own self-pity is one thing, but consigning your children to the same fate is reprehensible.

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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: 19/20 pieces of Birthday cake given to one child Reply #31 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 1:37pm I misread Thy's original post, so disregard my earlier comment. (Forgive me. I'm studying for exams and I'm not as good at multitasking as I thought.)
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Re: 19/20 pieces of Birthday cake given to one child
Reply #32 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 6:53pm

Equitist wrote on Nov 4^th, 2011 at 11:54am:

qikvtec wrote on Nov 4^th, 2011 at 11:19am:

Equitist wrote on Nov 4^th, 2011 at 10:59am:

LOL...obviously, the thread was intended to provide a metaphor for human groups of various sizes...

That said, given some of the comments to date, I'd like to be a fly on the wall in certain households, come any instance that demands a semblance of sharing and co-operation amongst children...

I truly wonder how certain people teach their kids (and grandkids) about their place in the world - cos there has to come a time when they give their kids a licence to dispense with the whole sharing thing...

Unless I develop a sudden need for additional organs, the little pitter patter of feet in my house won't be the result of a combination of mine and my wife's genetics.

That's an 'interesting' take on the subject, Qiky - but I am curious to understand the thinking of someone who volunteers for a Darwin Award, albeit by default!?

Actually, I am fascinated that humanity has reached the point where the trend is that about 1/3 of all Westerners will never (knowingly) reproduce...

It is no coincidence, that Westerners have become the most 'prosperous' people on the planet (on average) - and that we are also relatively-long-lived and the least likely to breed...

It is also ironic, that Westerners have opted to import people from other countries (often from vastly different cultural backgrounds) to provide labour and services - amongst other things...

Children irritate me Thy, I don't have the patience to deal with them and my wife is less committed to the cause. Almost everyone will tell you they wouldn't give them up for the world and it's different when you have your own but you're pretty committed to that position with little palatable option to change it; almost all of those will whine prior to, or after, that comment that they can't do this, that or the other due the kids.

Don't get me started on the cost of the little blighter's.

You shouldn't complain, I'm doing my bit to avoid over population of the world and further drain on those precious resources.

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Re: 19/20 pieces of Birthday cake given to one child
Reply #33 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 6:55pm

Equitist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:44pm:

Sounds preposterous, doesn't it - and yet most of us seem willing to tolerate this same type of situation in our day to day lives - at work, in the community and in the world!?

Here's a scenario I would ask everyone to consider...

If you held a birthday party for your 7 year old son or daughter and invited 19 guests: would you allow your child to take 19 out of 20 equal-sized pieces of that cake for themselves, thereby leaving a final 1/20th for the remaining 19 children to share!?

I would hope that you would denounce such a scenario as totally unfair and unreasonable - not to mention that it would be teaching the child selfish and anti-social attitudes.

So, I now ask you to answer this question honestly: at what age would you start teaching that same child that it is OK for the top 5% of individuals to control hoard 95% of the nation's (or world's) resources!?

I am especially keen to hear from the Xtians amongst us!

PS This thread was prompted by a thread discussing the Occupy 99% Protests elsewhere: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1317806183/180#184

There is a subtle, yet nevertheless important distinction between giving and earning.

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Re: 19/20 pieces of Birthday cake given to one child
Reply #34 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 7:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 9:37pm:

Equitist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:44pm:

Sounds preposterous, doesn't it - and yet most of us seem willing to tolerate this same type of situation in our day to day lives - at work, in the community and in the world!?

Here's a scenario I would ask everyone to consider...

If you held a birthday party for your 7 year old son or daughter and invited 19 guests: would you allow your child to take 19 out of 20 equal-sized pieces of that cake for themselves, thereby leaving a final 1/20th for the remaining 19 children to share!?

I would hope that you would denounce such a scenario as totally unfair and unreasonable - not to mention that it would be teaching the child selfish and anti-social attitudes.

So, I now ask you to answer this question honestly: at what age would you start teaching that same child that it is OK for the top 5% of individuals to control hoard 95% of the nation's (or world's) resources!?

I am especially keen to hear from the Xtians amongst us!

PS This thread was prompted by a thread discussing the Occupy 99% Protests elsewhere: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1317806183/180#184

your scenario is stupid because you arent really talking about equality at all - only equality of reward, not equality of effort or equality of sacrifice. And all the time you crap on about this, the people with the 19/20 of the cake that you contribute nothing towards happily give large amounts back to you for no reward only to have you spit in their face for the gesture. You constantly complain about everyone elses share and never ask the real question.

HOW BIG IS THE CAKE? yes its a question no one ever asks.

Let me help. Because of the efforts of relatively few, the size of the 'cake' is around 100 times what it was a mere 50 years ago. And you get a larger proportion now than you used to as well.
So not only do you get a larger PORTION of the cake the amount you get is vastly more than it used to.

The only difference is that people didnt used to complain about it. Now they do. They want more... for less effort.

You are just greedy.

You state, that because of the efforts of the relatively few, the cake is now much bigger.
It is more like the efforts of the many, but most of the cake is taken by the relatively few.
Can 5% who hold most of the wealth produce a large cake? I doubt it.
The only way the 5% could grab such a big slice of the cake is, by getting between the producer of the cake and the consumer of the cake, and in the end, the few keep most of the cake.
As written in the book "Animal Farm, the hardest working horse, does not get get the most hay, and in the end it finishes in knackery; that is fairnes and equality for you.

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Re: 19/20 pieces of Birthday cake given to one child
Reply #35 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 7:29pm

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2011 at 6:55pm:

Equitist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:44pm:

Sounds preposterous, doesn't it - and yet most of us seem willing to tolerate this same type of situation in our day to day lives - at work, in the community and in the world!?

Here's a scenario I would ask everyone to consider...

If you held a birthday party for your 7 year old son or daughter and invited 19 guests: would you allow your child to take 19 out of 20 equal-sized pieces of that cake for themselves, thereby leaving a final 1/20th for the remaining 19 children to share!?

I would hope that you would denounce such a scenario as totally unfair and unreasonable - not to mention that it would be teaching the child selfish and anti-social attitudes.

So, I now ask you to answer this question honestly: at what age would you start teaching that same child that it is OK for the top 5% of individuals to control hoard 95% of the nation's (or world's) resources!?

I am especially keen to hear from the Xtians amongst us!

PS This thread was prompted by a thread discussing the Occupy 99% Protests elsewhere: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1317806183/180#184

There is a subtle, yet nevertheless important distinction between giving and earning.

actually, it isnt all that subtle!

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Re: 19/20 pieces of Birthday cake given to one child
Reply #36 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 7:30pm

hawil wrote on Nov 4^th, 2011 at 7:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 9:37pm:

Equitist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:44pm:

Sounds preposterous, doesn't it - and yet most of us seem willing to tolerate this same type of situation in our day to day lives - at work, in the community and in the world!?

Here's a scenario I would ask everyone to consider...

If you held a birthday party for your 7 year old son or daughter and invited 19 guests: would you allow your child to take 19 out of 20 equal-sized pieces of that cake for themselves, thereby leaving a final 1/20th for the remaining 19 children to share!?

I would hope that you would denounce such a scenario as totally unfair and unreasonable - not to mention that it would be teaching the child selfish and anti-social attitudes.

So, I now ask you to answer this question honestly: at what age would you start teaching that same child that it is OK for the top 5% of individuals to control hoard 95% of the nation's (or world's) resources!?

I am especially keen to hear from the Xtians amongst us!

PS This thread was prompted by a thread discussing the Occupy 99% Protests elsewhere: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1317806183/180#184

your scenario is stupid because you arent really talking about equality at all - only equality of reward, not equality of effort or equality of sacrifice. And all the time you crap on about this, the people with the 19/20 of the cake that you contribute nothing towards happily give large amounts back to you for no reward only to have you spit in their face for the gesture. You constantly complain about everyone elses share and never ask the real question.

HOW BIG IS THE CAKE? yes its a question no one ever asks.

Let me help. Because of the efforts of relatively few, the size of the 'cake' is around 100 times what it was a mere 50 years ago. And you get a larger proportion now than you used to as well.
So not only do you get a larger PORTION of the cake the amount you get is vastly more than it used to.

The only difference is that people didnt used to complain about it. Now they do. They want more... for less effort.

You are just greedy.

You state, that because of the efforts of the relatively few, the cake is now much bigger.
It is more like the efforts of the many, but most of the cake is taken by the relatively few.
Can 5% who hold most of the wealth produce a large cake? I doubt it.
The only way the 5% could grab such a big slice of the cake is, by getting between the producer of the cake and the consumer of the cake, and in the end, the few keep most of the cake.
As written in the book "Animal Farm, the hardest working horse, does not get get the most hay, and in the end it finishes in knackery; that is fairnes and equality for you.

And in today's lesson we learn that beleifs dont fashion reality. Beliveing it to be true does not MAke it true. the cake is massively bigger than it used to be and is so mainly by the efforts of the minority.

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Re: 19/20 pieces of Birthday cake given to one child
Reply #37 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 10:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2011 at 7:29pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2011 at 6:55pm:

Equitist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:44pm:

Sounds preposterous, doesn't it - and yet most of us seem willing to tolerate this same type of situation in our day to day lives - at work, in the community and in the world!?

Here's a scenario I would ask everyone to consider...

If you held a birthday party for your 7 year old son or daughter and invited 19 guests: would you allow your child to take 19 out of 20 equal-sized pieces of that cake for themselves, thereby leaving a final 1/20th for the remaining 19 children to share!?

I would hope that you would denounce such a scenario as totally unfair and unreasonable - not to mention that it would be teaching the child selfish and anti-social attitudes.

So, I now ask you to answer this question honestly: at what age would you start teaching that same child that it is OK for the top 5% of individuals to control hoard 95% of the nation's (or world's) resources!?

I am especially keen to hear from the Xtians amongst us!

PS This thread was prompted by a thread discussing the Occupy 99% Protests elsewhere: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1317806183/180#184

There is a subtle, yet nevertheless important distinction between giving and earning.

actually, it isnt all that subtle!

I was being subtle. You should try it.

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You state, that because of the efforts of the relatively few, the cake is now much bigger.
It is more like the efforts of the many, but most of the cake is taken by the relatively few.

Spin it whatever way you want, it is still communism, and we all know how big that cake is.

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: 19/20 pieces of Birthday cake given to one child Reply #38 - Nov 5^th, 2011 at 7:39am This is a very good explanation if you have 11 minutes to spare.
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Reply #40 - Nov 5^th, 2011 at 8:38am

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2011 at 10:05pm:

Spin it whatever way you want, it is still communism, and we all know how big that cake is.

Communism is more like developing a 5 year plan to bake as many cakes (forget about the quality) as possible for our glorious nation, and then you end up buying your cakes on the black market because the shops don't have any.

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Reply #41 - Nov 5^th, 2011 at 8:46am

I am especially keen to hear from the Xtians amongst us!

by nem

can I ask why in particular??/ and how do you know who is a Xian??????.

and who is not may I ask?..

your bias and bigotry are showing loud and clear here I am afraid.

I was under the impresion the rulers of the BIG RICH CAKE>. were either Jews or Arabs..but you constantly point your finger.. as the labs are prone to do.. at Xians..

hey we have an atheist running this ship now been anychanges to the levels.. of the haves and have nots.???

I see where the pollies got almost double pay rises.. whilst at the same time cutting pay to AFP members...and security.. who are on call 24/7.

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Re: 19/20 pieces of Birthday cake given to one child
Reply #42 - Nov 5^th, 2011 at 8:51am

muso wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 8:38am:

freediver wrote on Nov 4^th, 2011 at 10:05pm:

Spin it whatever way you want, it is still communism, and we all know how big that cake is.

Communism is more like developing a 5 year plan to bake as many cakes (forget about the quality) as possible for our glorious nation, and then you end up buying your cakes on the black market because the shops don't have any.

dont know about you muso.. but I would never fly Russian airlines....

yet they are not allowed to buy foreign aircraft...

we all complain wouldnt matter what we had or think we should have.. lets be a bit more grateful for the piece of cake we do get and stop looking over the fence... we can all do better wish I had my time over again...

dont envy get off your butt and do it stop wanting it all to just land in your lap.

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Reply #43 - Nov 5^th, 2011 at 9:25am

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 9:37pm:

Because of the efforts of relatively few, the size of the 'cake' is around 100 times what it was a mere 50 years ago. And you get a larger proportion now than you used to as well.

So not only do you get a larger PORTION of the cake the amount you get is vastly more than it used to.

The only difference is that people didnt used to complain about it. Now they do. They want more... for less effort.

You are just greedy.

This is just the perpetuation of the myth that those who have more cake deserve it and are somehow nobler and harder working than those who get less of the cake.

Do you think property speculators, company CEOs and Paris Hilton are more deserving to be multi millionaires than scientists searching for the cure for cancer or aged care workers?

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