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The Carbon Tax - Is Set To Become Law Today.
Nov 8th, 2011 at 6:10am
 
THE carbon tax is set to become law today despite last-minute amendments pushed by the Coalition and independent senator Nick Xenophon that they said would limit electricity price rises.

In a reform that aims to transform Australia's economy and cut its greenhouse emissions, Labor's controversial carbon pricing scheme is expected to comfortably pass the Senate today with Greens support. Smiley

Last night, Liberal senator Simon Birmingham and Senator Xenophon jointly moved an amendment that would stop electricity generators having to pay in advance for forward-dated carbon permits - a move the industry and opposition say would minimise expected power price rises.


Energy Supply Association of Australia interim chief executive Clare Savage urged all parties to back the amendments, saying the advance payments would make it harder for generators to make long-term electricity contracts with retailers and customers, pushing up prices.

A spokesman for the Greens said the party would not be supporting the amendments. A spokesman for Climate Change Minister Greg Combet said the government had committed $5.5 billion to help generators make a smooth transition to the carbon price and that deferred payments on permits would reduce the liquidity in the carbon market.

The carbon pricing scheme will force about 500 of Australia's biggest-emitting companies to pay for each tonne of carbon they emit, although vulnerable industries will receive large numbers of free permits.   Smiley

Australians will be compensated for expected price rises for electricity and manufactured goods via tax cuts and benefits increases. The scheme will begin as a tax in July and shift to a market-based carbon trading scheme in 2015. The Coalition has vowed to repeal the scheme if it wins government.

Greens deputy leader Christine Milne yesterday hit back at Coogee Chemicals after the company announced it was shelving a $1 billion expansion plan because of the carbon tax, pointing out that Coogee chairman Gordon Martin sits on opposition climate spokesman Greg Hunt's business advisory panel.   Sad

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/carbon-tax-set-for-easy-passage-20111107-1n3ws.html#ixzz1d3HZwWKt
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Reply #1 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 7:31am
 
Although I don't totally agree with the method, it's a step in the right direction.
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Reply #2 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 7:33am
 
Abbott has failed in his quest.  Total failure.
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Reply #3 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 8:06am
 
It doesnt seem like an unreasonable amendment.

Its an amendment, not a canning.

I personally would prefer to see legislation like this, as opposed to setting money aside.  Setting money aside tends to lead to cost blowouts when any government is in power.
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Reply #4 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 10:03am
 
Australia’s carbon price will start at $23 a tonne, rising to $29 by 2015, when it is scheduled to become an emissions trading scheme linked to international markets.

European firms are paying under $12.60 for carbon emissions permits after the market crashed to a four-year low amid uncertainty over the economic bailout of Greece.



Elswhere in the news:

German economy to 'grind to a halt next year'
http://www.france24.com/en/20111012-german-economy-grind-halt-next-year



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Reply #5 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 10:52am
 
Abbott 'cutting and running' from carbon tax vote

November 08, 2011 11:06

Opposition MPs have defended an overseas trip by their leader Tony Abbott which means he will be out of the country when carbon pricing bills pass through the Senate today.

Mr Abbott left Australia last night for a conservative leaders forum in London which will be chaired by his old boss and mentor, John Howard.

The Opposition Leader has based a large part of his leadership on daily photo opportunities at businesses which he says will be hurt by the carbon tax, and Greens deputy leader Christine Milne has accused him of "cutting and running" ahead of the Senate vote.

But Liberal Senate leader Eric Abetz blames the government for curtailing debate on the bill and bringing on the vote at a time when Mr Abbott would be absent.

"Everybody believed there would be an extended hearing of the carbon tax in the Senate," he told reporters this morning.

And Senator Abetz accused the Government and the Greens of "conspiracy".

"Labor and the Greens conspired to cut short the debate. They guillotined it, as a result they changed the rules halfway through, and now they are somehow critical of Mr Abbott not being present for the final vote."

But Senator Milne said Mr Abbott need not have left for the meeting so soon.

"Tony Abbott has cut and run and left for the UK for a meeting that he doesn't have to be at until [November] the 10th," she told reporters at Parliament House.

"He could have flown out tonight and still been there in time but, as I've been saying, this is the beginning of the end for Tony
Abbott."



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-08/abbott-out-of-country-for-carbon-tax-vote/...


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Reply #6 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 10:53am
 
The global economy will collapse.

Dubai, The entire Middle East, Most of the European countries are all going bad, the smaller ones are doing ok, but once the bigger ones fall that will affect them, China is in big debt, Japan with the world's biggest debt bubble, South Korea has a high private debt level, The USA are a basket case , Brazil with one of the highest rates of private debt, the rest of the Central and South American countries are basket cases anyway. Argentina are doing very well with 11% GDP probably because they refused to listen to the IMF. The UK, Oceania, Africa are all basket cases.

Ironically, Iraq is doing really well thanks to their oil revenue and the fact that they can't start to rebuild until America p1ss off.

It is larger than one or two or even three countries. Once the first domino falls the rest will tumble too. That's why everyone is pointing at everyone else's economy because they want someone to blame. The first country to fall will get the blame for those that tumble after them.
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Reply #7 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 10:55am
 
Prime Minister Bob Brown will be blowing smoke rings out of his ears now that his Communist Greens Socialist "CO2" tax designed to transfer money from the wealthy to the poor is going thru. Bob has successfully bulldozed poor old gormless Gillard into passing his tax.

What a shameful deception to try to mislead the voters into thinking it has anything to do with Global Warming or Global Cooling as it won't make even one tiny skerrick of difference to world CO2 emissions.

A secondary aim of this Communist Socialist Greens "CO2" tax is to make Australian industry so uncompetitive that it will largely close as closure of Australian industry is a primary plank in the Communist Greens platform to return Australia to an agrarian economy.

How anyone could be so uninformed and deluded as to vote for the Communist Greens is beyond comprehension.
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Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 8th, 2011 at 10:53am:
The global economy will collapse.

Dubai, The entire Middle East, Most of the European countries are all going bad, the smaller ones are doing ok, but once the bigger ones fall that will affect them, China is in big debt, Japan with the world's biggest debt bubble, South Korea has a high private debt level, The USA are a basket case , Brazil with one of the highest rates of private debt, the rest of the Central and South American countries are basket cases anyway. Argentina are doing very well with 11% GDP probably because they refused to listen to the IMF. The UK, Oceania, Africa are all basket cases.

Ironically, Iraq is doing really well thanks to their oil revenue and the fact that they can't start to rebuild until America p1ss off.

It is larger than one or two or even three countries. Once the first domino falls the rest will tumble too. That's why everyone is pointing at everyone else's economy because they want someone to blame. The first country to fall will get the blame for those that tumble after them.


....and so? If it's all gone to hell in a handbasket, how do your predictions achieve anything? Will you stand there shouting "I TOLD YOU SO!" as you starve to death with the rest of us?
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Reply #9 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 11:50am
 
Gist wrote on Nov 8th, 2011 at 11:34am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 8th, 2011 at 10:53am:
The global economy will collapse.

Dubai, The entire Middle East, Most of the European countries are all going bad, the smaller ones are doing ok, but once the bigger ones fall that will affect them, China is in big debt, Japan with the world's biggest debt bubble, South Korea has a high private debt level, The USA are a basket case , Brazil with one of the highest rates of private debt, the rest of the Central and South American countries are basket cases anyway. Argentina are doing very well with 11% GDP probably because they refused to listen to the IMF. The UK, Oceania, Africa are all basket cases.

Ironically, Iraq is doing really well thanks to their oil revenue and the fact that they can't start to rebuild until America p1ss off.

It is larger than one or two or even three countries. Once the first domino falls the rest will tumble too. That's why everyone is pointing at everyone else's economy because they want someone to blame. The first country to fall will get the blame for those that tumble after them.


....and so? If it's all gone to hell in a handbasket, how do your predictions achieve anything? Will you stand there shouting "I TOLD YOU SO!" as you starve to death with the rest of us?



Just a comment, no miracle cures, but I'm sure we will come out the other end, it's a disruption that's necessary. The growth fairy had to expire at some stage, better now than later.
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Reply #10 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 11:57am
 
The Gillard government declared victory for a "historic economic reform" today after the Senate finally passed a carbon tax - laws that have created political havoc for four years and have been debated for more than a decade. The government won the historic vote in the upper house 36 to 32.   Smiley

Labor and the Greens combined to pass the 18 "Clean Energy Future" bills just after midday, to applause from the packed public galleries.  Smiley

Historic day ... for Julia Gillard, who lost popularity after vowing before the election there would be no carbon tax under her government.

Historic day ... for Julia Gillard, who lost popularity after vowing before the election there would be no carbon tax under her

Finance Minister and former climate change minister Senator Penny Wong said that, on the Labor side of politics, "we accept the science, we accept the need to act [on climate change], and, like John Howard and Malcolm Turnbull, we accept the science and the advice that putting a price on carbon is the best way to reduce emissions."   Wink

Senator Wong failed to secure the passage of the former Rudd government's emissions trading scheme.

Coalition leader Tony Abbott was overseas when the Senate took its vote, but National Party frontbencher Senator Barnaby Joyce declared it was "a sad day when we reorganise our economy on the basis of a colourless, odourless gas ... it is the height of foolishness."

He said the tax would do nothing to change the temperature of the globe "whether it is going up down or sideways" but said Australian households would definitely be poorer and the Coalition "would make certain" they hadn't forgotten the reason at the next election, when he predicted Labor would be "crucified".

Greens Senator Christine Milne said Mr Abbott had "cut and run" and could have delayed his departure for a conference in Britain to be in Australia for the vote.

A last minute amendment by the Coalition and independent Senator Nick Xenophon to allow electricity generators to defer payment for the purchase of billions of dollars in forward-dated pollution permits failed.

A $23 a tonne carbon tax will now be paid by about 500 high-emitting companies from next July, with about half the revenue to be returned to households in the form of tax cuts and increases in pensions and family payments, to compensate them as electricity generators pass through the cost of the new tax.

Another $9.2 billion over the first four years of the carbon pricing scheme will be paid to high-emitting industries with overseas competitors not subject to a tax. They will receive up to 94.5 per cent of their emission permits for free.

The carbon price is designed to meet the emissions reduction target endorsed by both major parties of at least 5 per cent by 2020, compared with 2000 levels. Labor is now promising to cut Australia's emissions by 80 per cent by 2050.

Mr Abbott, who took the Liberal leadership after a revolt against former leader Malcolm Turnbull's support for the Rudd Government's emissions trading scheme, has made opposition to the carbon tax a central issue of his leadership and has "pledged in blood" to repeal it.

AAP reports: The opposition's joint amendment with Senator Xenophon regarding deferred payment of future permits was defeated 36 to 32 just before the final vote was held.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/senate-passes-carbon-tax-20111108-1n4p1.html#ixzz1d4hHd2AO
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buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 8th, 2011 at 10:52am:
Abbott 'cutting and running' from carbon tax vote

November 08, 2011 11:06

Opposition MPs have defended an overseas trip by their leader Tony Abbott which means he will be out of the country when carbon pricing bills pass through the Senate today.

Mr Abbott left Australia last night for a conservative leaders forum in London which will be chaired by his old boss and mentor, John Howard.

The Opposition Leader has based a large part of his leadership on daily photo opportunities at businesses which he says will be hurt by the carbon tax, and Greens deputy leader Christine Milne has accused him of "cutting and running" ahead of the Senate vote.

But Liberal Senate leader Eric Abetz blames the government for curtailing debate on the bill and bringing on the vote at a time when Mr Abbott would be absent.

"Everybody believed there would be an extended hearing of the carbon tax in the Senate," he told reporters this morning.

And Senator Abetz accused the Government and the Greens of "conspiracy".

"Labor and the Greens conspired to cut short the debate. They guillotined it, as a result they changed the rules halfway through, and now they are somehow critical of Mr Abbott not being present for the final vote."

But Senator Milne said Mr Abbott need not have left for the meeting so soon.

"Tony Abbott has cut and run and left for the UK for a meeting that he doesn't have to be at until [November] the 10th," she told reporters at Parliament House.

"He could have flown out tonight and still been there in time but, as I've been saying, this is the beginning of the end for Tony
Abbott."



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-08/abbott-out-of-country-for-carbon-tax-vote/...



So Abbott had a vote in the Senate did he?

More diversionary tactics.
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Reply #12 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 12:23pm
 
D'uh  Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 12:47pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 8th, 2011 at 11:50am:
Gist wrote on Nov 8th, 2011 at 11:34am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 8th, 2011 at 10:53am:
The global economy will collapse.

Dubai, The entire Middle East, Most of the European countries are all going bad, the smaller ones are doing ok, but once the bigger ones fall that will affect them, China is in big debt, Japan with the world's biggest debt bubble, South Korea has a high private debt level, The USA are a basket case , Brazil with one of the highest rates of private debt, the rest of the Central and South American countries are basket cases anyway. Argentina are doing very well with 11% GDP probably because they refused to listen to the IMF. The UK, Oceania, Africa are all basket cases.

Ironically, Iraq is doing really well thanks to their oil revenue and the fact that they can't start to rebuild until America p1ss off.

It is larger than one or two or even three countries. Once the first domino falls the rest will tumble too. That's why everyone is pointing at everyone else's economy because they want someone to blame. The first country to fall will get the blame for those that tumble after them.


....and so? If it's all gone to hell in a handbasket, how do your predictions achieve anything? Will you stand there shouting "I TOLD YOU SO!" as you starve to death with the rest of us?



Just a comment, no miracle cures, but I'm sure we will come out the other end, it's a disruption that's necessary. The growth fairy had to expire at some stage, better now than later.


Fair nuff.  Smiley
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Reply #14 - Nov 8th, 2011 at 12:52pm
 

and all the little leftys cheer at a new tax.

what plebs
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