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Nov 10th, 2011 at 12:20pm
 
Should churches pay tax just like any other business ?? Looking at the way that HillSux church operates you just can't help think that they should !!

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Pentecostal churches are not waiting to inherit the earth. They are taking it now, tax-free.
Business Review Weekly Magazine, Austalian/May 26, 2005
By Adele Ferguson

This weekend more than 200,000 Australians will flock to Pentecostal churches to worship God, clap, sing, speak in tongues, faith heal, and donate 10% of their pre-tax weekly earnings. Some will buy CDs, books, DVDs, mobile-phone tunes, T-shirts, fridge magnets and even a children’s DVD featuring Jesus as a superhero. Others will tune into their TV channels and web sites, visit their art galleries, schools and medical centres and even move their savings into church cash management trusts that hold millions of dollars but are unregulated. All of this is helping to fuel an industry that is turning over more than $500 million a year and growing at warp speed.

Welcome to the new, commercial breed of Christianity that is sweeping Australia and spawning churches that are among the country’s fastest-growing, most entrepreneurial and slickest enterprises. So powerful are the new Pentecostal churches that they are changing politics, influencing business, and turning their founders into millionaires.

Critics of Pentecostal churches say they look more like shopping malls than churches. But their members love it and the churches argue that their ballooning revenue is going back into the community......

Links with business are also growing. Hillsong, for example, has close links with Gloria Jean’s Coffees, one of Australia’s fastest-growing franchises (see the brains of the operation, page 41), and companies such as National Australia Bank (NAB), QBE Insurance and Aon Australia are targeting the members of these churches.

The power of the Pentecostal churches can only increase in the business world. They are tapping into the business market with religious fervour. Many offer business directories, networking groups to help members set up small businesses and network existing ones, conferences and monthly breakfasts. Phil Baker, the pastor of Riverview Church in Perth, is hosting a series of business breakfasts around the country entitled Leadership Lessons from the Roman Empire. One such breakfast, held in Melbourne in May, attracted 500 business people, including some top executives from the NAB. Christian Outreach Centre is offering its members a five-day Business Achievers conference on Daydream Island in August at a cost of $500. Its brochure says: “In just one week you will develop the strategies, skills and motivation to take your place among Australia’s eminent business leaders.”

Like all religions, the Pentecostals have a big advantage over the commercial world in that they do not have to pay tax, they do not file tax returns, they get government concessions and grants, much of their workforce is voluntary so they have relatively small wage bills, and there is little accountability and transparency about what they do or how they spend the money.

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It is these tax breaks, the millions of dollars rolling in the doors of these churches, and the lack of accountability, that is fuelling a growing body of critics.

Philip Powell, a Pentecostal preacher and a former general-secretary of the AOG, is concerned by the more flamboyant Pentecostal churches. “It is my conviction that the present Pentecostal leaders like Brian Houston [pastor of Hillsong] and Phil Pringle [pastor of Christian City Church] have hijacked the godly movement, which was simply a fellowship of churches. They have turned it into a hierarchical denomination for selfish purposes and ends. It has become a fellowship of ministers, not churches,” he says.

“Many of these ministers have made themselves multi-millionaires. They are no more than business magnates who benefit from the tax-free status of corporations that they lead. They are not ‘pastors’ but business managers who have cashed in on a loophole in the Western governmental tax system.”

Houston says he is not an entrepreneur but considers himself a visionary. He says Hillsong’s message is not about personal wealth, “but rather it’s about personal effectiveness. We encourage people to live resourceful lives, enabling them to reach beyond themselves. It’s the difference between faith to put food on your own table and the commitment to look beyond your table and put food on the tables of others,” he says.

Politicians are usually wary of antagonising such powerful churches, but not Carmen Lawrence, the national junior vice-president of the ALP. She has been asking questions in Federal Parliament about the lack of accountability and transparency.

Lawrence says she worked out that Hillsong had received almost $800,000 in grants from government departments to fund various programmes, including family workers, youth activity services and “emergency relief”. “I suspect the figure is larger than that. We haven’t pinned down some of the questions, and the answers we are getting [from the Government] are evasive,” she says.


Lawrence says it is essential that if taxpayers’ money is involved, the grants and the use they are put to should be made public. “The real problem is that it isn’t clear what the constraints and controls are, or the criteria for monitoring these grants, so we don’t know whether the funds are being used to proselytise,” she says.

But the churches themselves say there is nothing to worry about. They say the money is being re-invested in community services – relevant community services. Houston says: “As a not-for-profit organisation, all our income goes back into the church and extensive services we provide. Last year our total turnover was $40 million. Of this, 60% went directly towards helping people; 28% was for buildings and infrastructure, which is ultimately about people too, as you have to put 18,000 people somewhere; and 12% was for general administration.”

Whatever the case, the popularity of Pentecostal religion is unquestionable. Pastor Ashley Evans from Paradise Community Church says: “We are scratching where people are itching.” That itch has a lot to do with the way Australians are feeling.

Ruth Powell, a manager at NCLS Research, says there are many theories about why the Pentecostal churches are so popular. Some theories centre on their contemporary style of worship and the experiential nature of their approach to faith. Other theories centre on the churches’ ability to offer certainty in times of change.

The more popular Pentecostal churches are tapping into a void in people’s lives, offering a sense of community, fun, and a way to alleviate financial responsibility. They do this by selling a message that is easy to buy: that Pentecostalism is about enjoying life now. In other words, if you embrace this brand of God, you will be rewarded financially and spiritually in this life, as well as the next. It is much easier to think that wealth and worldly success are signs of God’s favour than to wait for happiness in the afterlife, as most traditional religions preach.

The New Zealand-born Houston, pastor of the biggest Pentecostal church, Hillsong, is one of the main proponents of prosperity theology. The author of You Need More Money: Discovering God’s Amazing Financial Plan for Your Life, Houston writes: “Prosperity is definitely a result of applying God’s word to your life.” In section two of the book, he adds: “It’s God’s will for you to prosper.”

Houston’s wife Bobbie reinforces the here-and-now in her books and CDs, the most eye-catching being a CD entitled Kingdom Women Love Sex, which talks about everything from having a great sex life to keeping slim.

Father James McEvoy, a senior lecturer in theology at Flinders University, says this type of religion, prosperity theology, is a reinvention of the gospel. “It is a distorted reading of the gospel,” he says. “The central symbol of the Christian faith is a failure.”

But the idea of having a good time on earth – financially and personally – is one reason Pentecostalism is so popular. It is entertaining, and the preachers, like all shrewd marketers, know how to reach their market.


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The full version Wink

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Reply #4 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:33pm
 
Yes churches should pay tax, but they never will. They will create safe havens and tax breaks to get around it. I've seen how they operate. They develop a business and claim that it is an arm of the church so they operate tax free. They can have 20 or 30 businesses all making big profits and all running tax free.

Religion is part of the 1% that don't contribute to the country.
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Reply #5 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:37pm
 
Not for profits may not file tax returns, but they must still file annual reports fully audited to ASIC.
Just wanted to make that point.
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Reply #6 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:39pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:33pm:
Yes churches should pay tax, but they never will. They will create safe havens and tax breaks to get around it. I've seen how they operate. They develop a business and claim that it is an arm of the church so they operate tax free. They can have 20 or 30 businesses all making big profits and all running tax free.

Religion is part of the 1% that don't contribute to the country.



Ahh but do religious based charities do unpaid work that benefits society? 
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Reply #7 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:48pm
 
... wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:39pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:33pm:
Yes churches should pay tax, but they never will. They will create safe havens and tax breaks to get around it. I've seen how they operate. They develop a business and claim that it is an arm of the church so they operate tax free. They can have 20 or 30 businesses all making big profits and all running tax free.

Religion is part of the 1% that don't contribute to the country.



Ahh but do religious based charities do unpaid work that benefits society?  



They do and so do non religious charities which are usually not for profit organisations.

Some religious organisations could be not for profit, but I know a lot that are not and they make huge profits without paying tax. Now if the huge profits went back into charity, good thing, but it usually goes into hoarding real estate and other investment schemes.
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Reply #8 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:54pm
 
... wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:39pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:33pm:
Yes churches should pay tax, but they never will. They will create safe havens and tax breaks to get around it. I've seen how they operate. They develop a business and claim that it is an arm of the church so they operate tax free. They can have 20 or 30 businesses all making big profits and all running tax free.

Religion is part of the 1% that don't contribute to the country.



Ahh but do religious based charities do unpaid work that benefits society?  


No only gullible people do the unpaid work whilst the church pockets the loot Sad
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Reply #9 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:56pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:54pm:
... wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:39pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:33pm:
Yes churches should pay tax, but they never will. They will create safe havens and tax breaks to get around it. I've seen how they operate. They develop a business and claim that it is an arm of the church so they operate tax free. They can have 20 or 30 businesses all making big profits and all running tax free.

Religion is part of the 1% that don't contribute to the country.



Ahh but do religious based charities do unpaid work that benefits society?  


No only gullible people do the unpaid work whilst the church pockets the loot Sad



Well I'm sure the people who benefit from the charities work don't care about who does the work, or pockets the loot- all they would care about is that they are getting help.
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Reply #10 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 2:03pm
 
... wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:56pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:54pm:
... wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:39pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:33pm:
Yes churches should pay tax, but they never will. They will create safe havens and tax breaks to get around it. I've seen how they operate. They develop a business and claim that it is an arm of the church so they operate tax free. They can have 20 or 30 businesses all making big profits and all running tax free.

Religion is part of the 1% that don't contribute to the country.



Ahh but do religious based charities do unpaid work that benefits society?  


No only gullible people do the unpaid work whilst the church pockets the loot Sad



Well I'm sure the people who benefit from the charities work don't care about who does the work, or pockets the loot- all they would care about is that they are getting help.



I'm sure too and I'm glad someone is there to help them, but the church can still pay tax and help the needy instead of helping the needy and pocketing the profits to feather their own nest.
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Reply #11 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 2:05pm
 
... wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:56pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:54pm:
... wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:39pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:33pm:
Yes churches should pay tax, but they never will. They will create safe havens and tax breaks to get around it. I've seen how they operate. They develop a business and claim that it is an arm of the church so they operate tax free. They can have 20 or 30 businesses all making big profits and all running tax free.

Religion is part of the 1% that don't contribute to the country.



Ahh but do religious based charities do unpaid work that benefits society?  


No only gullible people do the unpaid work whilst the church pockets the loot Sad



Well I'm sure the people who benefit from the charities work don't care about who does the work, or pockets the loot- all they would care about is that they are getting help.


so they can pay their fair share of tax then and still live like the rest of us tax payers Wink
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Reply #12 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 2:12pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 2:05pm:
... wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:56pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:54pm:
... wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:39pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:33pm:
Yes churches should pay tax, but they never will. They will create safe havens and tax breaks to get around it. I've seen how they operate. They develop a business and claim that it is an arm of the church so they operate tax free. They can have 20 or 30 businesses all making big profits and all running tax free.

Religion is part of the 1% that don't contribute to the country.



Ahh but do religious based charities do unpaid work that benefits society?  


No only gullible people do the unpaid work whilst the church pockets the loot Sad



Well I'm sure the people who benefit from the charities work don't care about who does the work, or pockets the loot- all they would care about is that they are getting help.


so they can pay their fair share of tax then and still live like the rest of us tax payers Wink



So you want charities to pay tax like everyone else?  That's a surefire way to put an end to charity.
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Reply #13 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 2:26pm
 
<<So you want charities to pay tax like everyone else?  That's a surefire way to put an end to charity.>>
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Maybe not. Hillsong for one is using the church as a tax free haven to prosper. Some churches make plenty of profits but do little charity work, it's a scam, a front for making big money with little effort.
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Reply #14 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 2:28pm
 
... wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 2:12pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 2:05pm:
... wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:56pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:54pm:
... wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:39pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 10th, 2011 at 1:33pm:
Yes churches should pay tax, but they never will. They will create safe havens and tax breaks to get around it. I've seen how they operate. They develop a business and claim that it is an arm of the church so they operate tax free. They can have 20 or 30 businesses all making big profits and all running tax free.

Religion is part of the 1% that don't contribute to the country.



Ahh but do religious based charities do unpaid work that benefits society?  


No only gullible people do the unpaid work whilst the church pockets the loot Sad



Well I'm sure the people who benefit from the charities work don't care about who does the work, or pockets the loot- all they would care about is that they are getting help.


so they can pay their fair share of tax then and still live like the rest of us tax payers Wink



So you want charities to pay tax like everyone else?  That's a surefire way to put an end to charity.


why ?? They are getting the money for nothing anyway !!
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