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Reply #15 - Nov 10^th, 2011 at 2:29pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 2:26pm:

<<So you want charities to pay tax like everyone else? That's a surefire way to put an end to charity.>>
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Maybe not. Hillsong for one is using the church as a tax free haven to prosper. Some churches make plenty of profits but do little charity work, it's a scam, a front for making big money with little effort.

maybe it is - but how do you distinguish a faux-charity from a genuine charity?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105304 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !! Reply #16 - Nov 10^th, 2011 at 3:03pm Hi Nail, I like George Carlin - God is all powerful but he needs money - go figure that.
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Reply #17 - Nov 10^th, 2011 at 3:18pm

... wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 2:29pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 2:26pm:

<<So you want charities to pay tax like everyone else? That's a surefire way to put an end to charity.>>
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Maybe not. Hillsong for one is using the church as a tax free haven to prosper. Some churches make plenty of profits but do little charity work, it's a scam, a front for making big money with little effort.

maybe it is - but how do you distinguish a faux-charity from a genuine charity?

That's the thing. Maybe the churches need to be investigated thoroughly. The government always seem keen to throw big $$$$ at charity, but are they all ridgy didge? There certainly seemed to be a fair bit of back handedness and ducking and weaving going on in the church I attended, and I wasn't purposely looking for it, the opposite in fact. I couldn't turn a blind eye, it opened my eyes actually to the true meaning of God needs your money, and he wasn't getting much of theirs that's for sure.

If they all have to pay corporate tax that might sort out the spammers from the genuine charities.

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Reply #18 - Nov 10^th, 2011 at 3:19pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 1:48pm:

... wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 1:39pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 1:33pm:

Yes churches should pay tax, but they never will. They will create safe havens and tax breaks to get around it. I've seen how they operate. They develop a business and claim that it is an arm of the church so they operate tax free. They can have 20 or 30 businesses all making big profits and all running tax free.

Religion is part of the 1% that don't contribute to the country.

Ahh but do religious based charities do unpaid work that benefits society?

They do and so do non religious charities which are usually not for profit organisations.

Some religious organisations could be not for profit, but I know a lot that are not and they make huge profits without paying tax. Now if the huge profits went back into charity, good thing, but it usually goes into hoarding real estate and other investment schemes.

You do realise that not for profit doesnt mean they dont make a profit, it means the profits are not distributed and retained by the organisation soley.

Might be worth learning that.

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Reply #19 - Nov 10^th, 2011 at 3:44pm

Verge wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 3:19pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 1:48pm:

... wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 1:39pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 1:33pm:

Yes churches should pay tax, but they never will. They will create safe havens and tax breaks to get around it. I've seen how they operate. They develop a business and claim that it is an arm of the church so they operate tax free. They can have 20 or 30 businesses all making big profits and all running tax free.

Religion is part of the 1% that don't contribute to the country.

Ahh but do religious based charities do unpaid work that benefits society?

They do and so do non religious charities which are usually not for profit organisations.

Some religious organisations could be not for profit, but I know a lot that are not and they make huge profits without paying tax. Now if the huge profits went back into charity, good thing, but it usually goes into hoarding real estate and other investment schemes.

You do realise that not for profit doesnt mean they dont make a profit, it means the profits are not distributed and retained by the organisation soley.

Might be worth learning that.

OK. So let them pay tax on their profit, that's fair.

Churches are supposed to be charities, isn't that the whole following Jesus idea. They pay tax like everyone else and they help the needy like they are supposed to do.

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Uncle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 688	Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !! Reply #20 - Nov 10^th, 2011 at 3:47pm Verge wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 3:19pm: You do realise that not for profit doesnt mean they dont make a profit, it means the profits are not distributed and retained by the organisation soley. Might be worth learning that. Agreed. You'll also learn it's a bit of a lurk.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !! Reply #21 - Nov 10^th, 2011 at 4:09pm And what do they do with the profits? Pay dividents on shares?
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Uncle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 688	Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !! Reply #22 - Nov 10^th, 2011 at 4:38pm Soren wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 4:09pm: And what do they do with the profits? Pay dividens on shares? They buy more property and expand the empire.
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !! Reply #23 - Nov 10^th, 2011 at 5:08pm Uncle wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 4:38pm: Soren wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 4:09pm: And what do they do with the profits? Pay dividens on shares? They buy more property and expand the empire. That's right, something went wrong with feed the hungry message. Greed and self indulgence was it?
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !! Reply #24 - Nov 10^th, 2011 at 5:10pm Soren wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 4:09pm: And what do they do with the profits? Pay dividens on shares? That's the shame. They shouldn't have any profits while ever there's hungry and homeless around. There's plenty of work to be done.
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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !! Reply #25 - Nov 10^th, 2011 at 5:17pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 3:03pm: Hi Nail, I like George Carlin - God is all powerful but he needs money - go figure that. God is everywhere, but he also needs public housing.
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Reply #26 - Nov 10^th, 2011 at 5:26pm

... wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 2:29pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 2:26pm:

<<So you want charities to pay tax like everyone else? That's a surefire way to put an end to charity.>>
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Maybe not. Hillsong for one is using the church as a tax free haven to prosper. Some churches make plenty of profits but do little charity work, it's a scam, a front for making big money with little effort.

maybe it is - but how do you distinguish a faux-charity from a genuine charity?

You tax the ones that can't prove the existence of their imaginary god. That means they are not genuine in the first place Wink

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Reply #27 - Nov 10^th, 2011 at 5:28pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 5:10pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 10^th, 2011 at 4:09pm:

And what do they do with the profits? Pay dividens on shares?

That's the shame. They shouldn't have any profits while ever there's hungry and homeless around. There's plenty of work to be done.

Don't worry, the clergy can always cherry pick a verse or two from their bible to justify their greed Wink

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !! Reply #28 - Nov 10^th, 2011 at 5:33pm Squat a church near you, god wont mind.
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Gist Gold Member Offline I am not a sock, I am a human being! Posts: 5476	Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !! Reply #29 - Nov 10^th, 2011 at 6:48pm Is the Sanitarium company still a tax free arm of the Adventist church? Used to be. They'd probably make the Hillsong look like tiddlers.
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