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Reply #300 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 8:03am

Gist wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:19pm:

NO GROUP ANYWHERE has its donations taxed. why do you think they should?

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Where did I say I wanted donations to become taxable? I don't remember saying that. A quick check didn't find any posts where I said that. Can you point me to it? Or are you confusing me with someone else?

I'm not too worried about donations. I think there are worthy cause and the status quo suits them quite well. I donate to several every year including overseas aid charities (not religion based), medical research and others. The existing arrangements suit them fine.

I think the thrust of the arguments here though is that there are groups that should not get exemptions/deductions/whatever-tax-breaks-they-can-get-via-various-structures and that Hillsong is one of those groups.

thts abig statement and one not supported by the ATO or pretty much everyone other than the marginalised posters on blogs and forums. the typical response to all their chartable work etc is to ignore it! not a really credible position, is it?

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Reply #301 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 8:08am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:42pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:12pm:

Gist wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:19pm:

NO GROUP ANYWHERE has its donations taxed. why do you think they should?

Grin

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Where did I say I wanted donations to become taxable? I don't remember saying that. A quick check didn't find any posts where I said that. Can you point me to it? Or are you confusing me with someone else?

I'm not too worried about donations. I think there are worthy cause and the status quo suits them quite well. I donate to several every year including overseas aid charities (not religion based), medical research and others. The existing arrangements suit them fine.

I think the thrust of the arguments here though is that there are groups that should not get exemptions/deductions/whatever-tax-breaks-they-can-get-via-various-structures and that Hillsong is one of those groups.

I'll help you along there. Donations to a church are not donations to the needy. They are given by people who believe the church is trying to sell them something they can't get anywhere else. This makes the church a business which sells something and pays no tax therefore all churches should pay tax on their takings !!

Nail,
I think that's a bit harsh.
I do however think that churches should pay tax on all
monies collected that do not go directly to the poor.

Example:
The local parish collects 1 million dollars in a financial year.
$300,000 goes to the poor & $700,000 is spent on cars, clothes accomodation, meals
alcohol & cigarettes for priests or ministers.
The church should pay tax on the $700,000 like any other business
& their books should be open to scrutiny.

A friend of mine visited a Catholic parish once.
The priests there had a drinking cabinet with
all top shelf whisky & they smoked packets of cigarettes.
They drove free fancy cars & wore free top clothes including $400 pairs of shoes.
They had servants preparing their free dinners.
3 course free dinners every night followed by free booze!
Why do they pay no tax yet I do?
They live better than me.

nobody believes your ridiculous stories, booby. you just make up crap to try and impress us - just like your '6years of university'. you are a joke.

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Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !!
Reply #302 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 9:43am

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 8:08am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:42pm:

A friend of mine visited a Catholic parish once.
The priests there had a drinking cabinet with
all top shelf whisky & they smoked packets of cigarettes.
They drove free fancy cars & wore free top clothes including $400 pairs of shoes.
They had servants preparing their free dinners.
3 course free dinners every night followed by free booze!
Why do they pay no tax yet I do?
They live better than me.

nobody believes your ridiculous stories, booby. you just make up crap to try and impress us - just like your '6years of university'. you are a joke.

Speak for yourself. It sounds plausible to me. Just look at how the Pope lives in the Vatican. A far cry from Jesus and his sandals !!

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Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !!
Reply #303 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:07am

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 8:03am:

thts abig statement and one not supported by the ATO or pretty much everyone other than the marginalised posters on blogs and forums. the typical response to all their chartable work etc is to ignore it! not a really credible position, is it?

Marginalised?? Grin

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I'm sure having Costello - the treasurer of the country big kahuna in the ATO's sphere - appearing on stage regularly didn't hurt their case with the ATO any.

Look, I have no doubt that Hillsong do charitable work. In fact, I'd be gobsmacked if they didn't.

But that's not their chief aim is it? Their chief aim is to maintain and grow their church. They get income tax exempt status for that regardless of any charity work. The tax office says that quite clearly. So your going on about charity work is irrelevant.

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Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !!
Reply #304 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:21am

Gist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 8:03am:

thts abig statement and one not supported by the ATO or pretty much everyone other than the marginalised posters on blogs and forums. the typical response to all their chartable work etc is to ignore it! not a really credible position, is it?

Marginalised?? Grin

Grin

I'm sure having Costello - the treasurer of the country big kahuna in the ATO's sphere - appearing on stage regularly didn't hurt their case with the ATO any.

Look, I have no doubt that Hillsong do charitable work. In fact, I'd be gobsmacked if they didn't.

But that's not their chief aim is it? Their chief aim is to maintain and grow their church. They get income tax exempt status for that regardless of any charity work. The tax office says that quite clearly. So your going on about charity work is irrelevant.

They only do it for a price and they get lots of government grants for mickey mouse programs which maximizes their profits and steers vulnerable people into their church circles to be brainwashed Sad

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Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !!
Reply #305 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:45pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 9:43am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 8:08am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:42pm:

A friend of mine visited a Catholic parish once.
The priests there had a drinking cabinet with
all top shelf whisky & they smoked packets of cigarettes.
They drove free fancy cars & wore free top clothes including $400 pairs of shoes.
They had servants preparing their free dinners.
3 course free dinners every night followed by free booze!
Why do they pay no tax yet I do?
They live better than me.

nobody believes your ridiculous stories, booby. you just make up crap to try and impress us - just like your '6years of university'. you are a joke.

Speak for yourself. It sounds plausible to me. Just look at how the Pope lives in the Vatican. A far cry from Jesus and his sandals !!

Longweekend,
Don't call me a liar - not only has a friend of mine
seen that but I've seen it with my own eyes.
They live like kings & don't pay tax.

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Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !!
Reply #306 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:55pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:45pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 9:43am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 8:08am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:42pm:

A friend of mine visited a Catholic parish once.
The priests there had a drinking cabinet with
all top shelf whisky & they smoked packets of cigarettes.
They drove free fancy cars & wore free top clothes including $400 pairs of shoes.
They had servants preparing their free dinners.
3 course free dinners every night followed by free booze!
Why do they pay no tax yet I do?
They live better than me.

nobody believes your ridiculous stories, booby. you just make up crap to try and impress us - just like your '6years of university'. you are a joke.

Speak for yourself. It sounds plausible to me. Just look at how the Pope lives in the Vatican. A far cry from Jesus and his sandals !!

Longweekend,
Don't call me a liar - not only has a friend of mine
seen that but I've seen it with my own eyes.
They live like kings & don't pay tax.

You do realise everything you just said gets captured by fringe benefits tax right?

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Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !!
Reply #307 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 3:11pm

I don't know, I've read through a few page and it seems to me that LongWeekend still views churches as a good thing. Until he comes round to the modern idea that they were set up to sodomise young boys and move the perpetrators around to avoid prosecution we're just going to remain really bogged down on the tax question. Grin

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Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !!
Reply #308 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 6:02pm

Verge wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:45pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 9:43am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 8:08am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:42pm:

A friend of mine visited a Catholic parish once.
The priests there had a drinking cabinet with
all top shelf whisky & they smoked packets of cigarettes.
They drove free fancy cars & wore free top clothes including $400 pairs of shoes.
They had servants preparing their free dinners.
3 course free dinners every night followed by free booze!
Why do they pay no tax yet I do?
They live better than me.

nobody believes your ridiculous stories, booby. you just make up crap to try and impress us - just like your '6years of university'. you are a joke.

Speak for yourself. It sounds plausible to me. Just look at how the Pope lives in the Vatican. A far cry from Jesus and his sandals !!

Longweekend,
Don't call me a liar - not only has a friend of mine
seen that but I've seen it with my own eyes.
They live like kings & don't pay tax.

You do realise everything you just said gets captured by fringe benefits tax right?

No I don't - churches -
they pay not one cent of tax except GST on their purchases.
They don't have to put in tax returns like lowly workers who
toil away as human robots in unsafe dingy Aussie factories.

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Re: Hillsong – Gods Millionaires that don't pay tax !!
Reply #309 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 6:58pm

Verge wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:45pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 9:43am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 8:08am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:42pm:

A friend of mine visited a Catholic parish once.
The priests there had a drinking cabinet with
all top shelf whisky & they smoked packets of cigarettes.
They drove free fancy cars & wore free top clothes including $400 pairs of shoes.
They had servants preparing their free dinners.
3 course free dinners every night followed by free booze!
Why do they pay no tax yet I do?
They live better than me.

nobody believes your ridiculous stories, booby. you just make up crap to try and impress us - just like your '6years of university'. you are a joke.

Speak for yourself. It sounds plausible to me. Just look at how the Pope lives in the Vatican. A far cry from Jesus and his sandals !!

Longweekend,
Don't call me a liar - not only has a friend of mine
seen that but I've seen it with my own eyes.
They live like kings & don't pay tax.

You do realise everything you just said gets captured by fringe benefits tax right?

No they don't because they claim it's part of running the charity Wink

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Reply #310 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 7:32pm

Gist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 8:03am:

thts abig statement and one not supported by the ATO or pretty much everyone other than the marginalised posters on blogs and forums. the typical response to all their chartable work etc is to ignore it! not a really credible position, is it?

Marginalised?? Grin

Grin

I'm sure having Costello - the treasurer of the country big kahuna in the ATO's sphere - appearing on stage regularly didn't hurt their case with the ATO any.

Look, I have no doubt that Hillsong do charitable work. In fact, I'd be gobsmacked if they didn't.

But that's not their chief aim is it? Their chief aim is to maintain and grow their church. They get income tax exempt status for that regardless of any charity work. The tax office says that quite clearly. So your going on about charity work is irrelevant.

most churches get tax exempt status in most of the western world. what is your problem? general society gets a lot more FROM the church than is ever given in limited and insignificant tax breaks.

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Reply #311 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 8:03pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 7:32pm:

Gist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:07am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 8:03am:

thts abig statement and one not supported by the ATO or pretty much everyone other than the marginalised posters on blogs and forums. the typical response to all their chartable work etc is to ignore it! not a really credible position, is it?

Marginalised?? Grin

Grin

I'm sure having Costello - the treasurer of the country big kahuna in the ATO's sphere - appearing on stage regularly didn't hurt their case with the ATO any.

Look, I have no doubt that Hillsong do charitable work. In fact, I'd be gobsmacked if they didn't.

But that's not their chief aim is it? Their chief aim is to maintain and grow their church. They get income tax exempt status for that regardless of any charity work. The tax office says that quite clearly. So your going on about charity work is irrelevant.

most churches get tax exempt status in most of the western world. what is your problem? general society gets a lot more FROM the church than is ever given in limited and insignificant tax breaks.

Longweekend,
You never read my posts.
I said:

Quote:

They don't have to put in tax returns like lowly workers who
toil away as human robots in unsafe dingy Aussie factories.

Is that fair or not?

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Reply #312 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 8:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 8:03pm:

Longweekend,
You never read my posts.
I said:

Quote:

They don't have to put in tax returns like lowly workers who
toil away as human robots in unsafe dingy Aussie factories.

Is that fair or not?

of course, the promotion of corrupt institutions and corporations is always fair to people like badweekend Sad

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Reply #313 - Nov 18^th, 2011 at 7:56am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 6:02pm:

Verge wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:45pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 9:43am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 8:08am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:42pm:

A friend of mine visited a Catholic parish once.
The priests there had a drinking cabinet with
all top shelf whisky & they smoked packets of cigarettes.
They drove free fancy cars & wore free top clothes including $400 pairs of shoes.
They had servants preparing their free dinners.
3 course free dinners every night followed by free booze!
Why do they pay no tax yet I do?
They live better than me.

nobody believes your ridiculous stories, booby. you just make up crap to try and impress us - just like your '6years of university'. you are a joke.

Speak for yourself. It sounds plausible to me. Just look at how the Pope lives in the Vatican. A far cry from Jesus and his sandals !!

Longweekend,
Don't call me a liar - not only has a friend of mine
seen that but I've seen it with my own eyes.
They live like kings & don't pay tax.

You do realise everything you just said gets captured by fringe benefits tax right?

No I don't - churches -
they pay not one cent of tax except GST on their purchases.
They don't have to put in tax returns like lowly workers who
toil away as human robots in unsafe dingy Aussie factories.

That is unterly incorrect.

They are still liable for fringe benefits tax, and get captured quite quickly, just the amount they can do FBT free is set at the same as say the health care profession, which is higher, I think about $25k.

They also have to withhold tax from employees, pay super and workers comp.

If you dont understand the law, please dont comment on it. They still have the same tax obligations towards employees every other business has.

I thought between a high level executive and your lover boy high flying international businessman you would know this.

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Reply #314 - Nov 18^th, 2011 at 9:36am

Verge wrote on Nov 18^th, 2011 at 7:56am:

That is unterly incorrect.

They are still liable for fringe benefits tax, and get captured quite quickly, just the amount they can do FBT free is set at the same as say the health care profession, which is higher, I think about $25k.

They also have to withhold tax from employees, pay super and workers comp.

If you dont understand the law, please dont comment on it. They still have the same tax obligations towards employees every other business has.

I thought between a high level executive and your lover boy high flying international businessman you would know this.

How do you know that when their books are not open to scrutiny by the ATO ? They are certainly not treated like a normal business is Sad

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I wouldn't use you as an accountant.

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