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Re: Tony Abbott's gaming policy
Reply #15 - Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:30am

Equitist wrote on Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:08am:

The longer this goes on, the more inclined I am to think that setting betting limits on all machines is the best way to go overall...

I would also argue that all clubs should be obliged to provide a set proportion of $0 money machines - $0 bet, $0 paid - and preferably at $0 cost (or, say $1 or $2 for 5 mins play)! I'm thinking that this proportion should be set at around 10%.

A problem gambler will just go & bet on something else. They will just take the path of least resistance

The TAB, the internet, Keno, scratchies etc etc.

They will just bypass the clubs. At least these revenues go back to the local community.

The clubs and employment in the industry will take the hit. Sad

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Reply #16 - Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:38am

Swagman wrote on Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:30am:

Equitist wrote on Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:08am:

The longer this goes on, the more inclined I am to think that setting betting limits on all machines is the best way to go overall...

I would also argue that all clubs should be obliged to provide a set proportion of $0 money machines - $0 bet, $0 paid - and preferably at $0 cost (or, say $1 or $2 for 5 mins play)! I'm thinking that this proportion should be set at around 10%.

A problem gambler will just go & bet on something else. They will just take the path of least resistance

The TAB, the internet, Keno, scratchies etc etc.

They will just bypass the clubs. At least these revenues go back to the local community.

The clubs and employment in the industry will take the hit. Sad

Many millions have been spent on poker machines to maximise the design to suck money from the players espesially players with addictive behaviour patterns.
I also doubt the consequences of screwing over these vunerable people can be excused by saying, at least their suicide, family breakdown or crippling poverty led to better bowling greens or more pies for fatboy James Packer..its kinda sad people think so little of those these new laws are meant to protect

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Reply #17 - Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:41am

Swagman wrote on Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:30am:

A problem gambler will just go & bet on something else. They will just take the path of least resistance

The TAB, the internet, Keno, scratchies etc etc.

You may be right about gamblers but playing the pokies is not gambling, the vast majority of machine players are not going to go onto something else.

Its just not that type of addiction, they are typically focused on the one activity.

What you say is like saying that footballers would go on to play tennis, while it is possible and some may we know that the vast majority wont.

The argument it fallacious, problem poker machine players will typically not go to a form of gambling as the vast majority have no interest or skill in those areas.

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Reply #18 - Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:54am

If people who use poker machines will just move on to other forms of gambling why not just save money and rip out all the pokies and just put a TAB in the casinos and pokie palaces?
The truth is pokie addicts are there because of the money spent getting dodgy psychologists with expertise in gambling addictions maximising the time and money people spend in front of pokie machines.
A psychologist can earn much more money working for the pokie barons than they can working in a legitimate practice.

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Reply #19 - Nov 13^th, 2011 at 10:33am

I think the story is told in the fact that with all the club industry rhetoric about caring and insistence that they have been trying to do the right thing you will still not find a clock in the poker machine area of a club.

The most well known strategy for getting people to lose track of the time they have spent there.

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Re: Tony Abbott's gaming policy
Reply #20 - Nov 13^th, 2011 at 11:02am

Swagman wrote on Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:30am:

Equitist wrote on Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:08am:

The longer this goes on, the more inclined I am to think that setting betting limits on all machines is the best way to go overall...

I would also argue that all clubs should be obliged to provide a set proportion of $0 money machines - $0 bet, $0 paid - and preferably at $0 cost (or, say $1 or $2 for 5 mins play)! I'm thinking that this proportion should be set at around 10%.

A problem gambler will just go & bet on something else. They will just take the path of least resistance

The TAB, the internet, Keno, scratchies etc etc.

They will just bypass the clubs. At least these revenues go back to the local community.

The clubs and employment in the industry will take the hit. Sad

That is a myth!

Unlike other forms of gambling, which involve complex risk-assessment processes and/or longer turnaround times, people who gamble on pokies are addicted to the rapid cycling of their own bodily chemicals - they are addicted to the adrenaline and endorphin rush!

Pokies addicts are essentially drug addicts - junkies - with an expensive albeit thinly-masked habit!

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Reply #21 - Nov 13^th, 2011 at 8:34pm

Swagman wrote on Nov 12^th, 2011 at 10:08am:

Murphy said "a fool and his money is soon parted" Cheesy

....but the question is whether business should be able to profit from such predatory behaviour?

Don't go into politics too soon will ya mate, ay!

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Re: Tony Abbott's gaming policy
Reply #22 - Nov 13^th, 2011 at 8:38pm

adelcrow wrote on Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:38am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:30am:

Equitist wrote on Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:08am:

The longer this goes on, the more inclined I am to think that setting betting limits on all machines is the best way to go overall...

I would also argue that all clubs should be obliged to provide a set proportion of $0 money machines - $0 bet, $0 paid - and preferably at $0 cost (or, say $1 or $2 for 5 mins play)! I'm thinking that this proportion should be set at around 10%.

A problem gambler will just go & bet on something else. They will just take the path of least resistance

The TAB, the internet, Keno, scratchies etc etc.

They will just bypass the clubs. At least these revenues go back to the local community.

The clubs and employment in the industry will take the hit. Sad

Many millions have been spent on poker machines to maximise the design to suck money from the players espesially players with addictive behaviour patterns.
I also doubt the consequences of screwing over these vunerable people can be excused by saying, at least their suicide, family breakdown or crippling poverty led to better bowling greens or more pies for fatboy James Packer..its kinda sad people think so little of those these new laws are meant to protect

THE LONGER UNBRIDLED GREED HANGS AROUND THE LONGER THE TERRORISTS WILL!

The greedy can't solve the anthrax in the mail conundum and the minions are learning! Shocked

Tony Abbott is losing his grip and so are the reinforcements who only know how to sell UNBRIDLED GREED as a side serving with everything!

chip chip chip chip chip.... Cool

UNBRIDLED GREED IS FALLING...........................

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Tony Abbott's gaming policy Reply #23 - Nov 13^th, 2011 at 8:40pm LOL, pun not intended belive it or not!
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