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Re: Roger Scruton
Reply #120 - Nov 21^st, 2011 at 7:38pm

the mockingbird had been following the cat
all summer
mocking mocking mocking
teasing and cocksure;
the cat crawled under rockers on porches
tail flashing
and said something angry to the mockingbird
which I didn’t understand.

yesterday the cat walked calmly up the driveway
with the mockingbird alive in its mouth,
wings fanned, beautiful wings fanned and flopping,
feathers parted like a woman’s legs,
and the bird was no longer mocking,
it was asking, it was praying
but the cat
striding down through centuries
would not listen.

I saw it crawl under a yellow car
with the bird
to bargain it to another place.

summer was over.

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Reply #121 - Nov 21^st, 2011 at 8:49pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 21^st, 2011 at 4:07pm:

When you can pry yourself away from Paradise Lost, of course. In the original.

Funny you should say that. I actually do recommend the Blackstone Audio version of Paradise Lost, read by Ralph Cosham. As every schoolboy knows, CS Lewis wrote a great introduction to Paradise Lost. Start there, PB, and then listen to the book. Being a poem, it's always best to listen first, and read later as a way of recollection.
You may assimilate yet.

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Reply #122 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 1:22am

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2011 at 6:22pm:

Grey wrote on Nov 21^st, 2011 at 4:52pm:

It's not 'codes of conduct' I have a problem with but the absolutism of totallitarian extremists.

Like all pseuds, you hold these views fearlessly as long as you are living in a liberal democracy - I'm sorry, a western hegemonic fascist oppressive hell hole.

If you lived in North Korea or Syria or Iran - real hell holes - you would be sh!tting your pseudo-convictions into a can (unsigned, of course) and burying them in the dark of the night.

You are over 30 and an anarchist in AUstralia in 2011?? I say you are a sclerotic fantasist in grip of a nostalgia for your grandfather's dreams.

"I'm sorry, a western hegemonic fascist oppressive hell hole." The apology ought properly to be for putting words in my mouth; but if you didn't i'm sure you'd never have a thing to say Soren.
'A western hegemony' is fast becoming a Nth, W, E. &Sth hegemony isn't it? It's a process known as 'globalisation'. Fascist and oppressive, well it's not, but it certainly shows signs of heading that way; but there's no way I'd own living my life in a hell hole.

Totallitarian is the word I use and I'm happy to give concrete examples if you need them.

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Reply #123 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 10:29am

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2011 at 8:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 21^st, 2011 at 4:07pm:

When you can pry yourself away from Paradise Lost, of course. In the original.

Funny you should say that. I actually do recommend the Blackstone Audio version of Paradise Lost, read by Ralph Cosham. As every schoolboy knows, CS Lewis wrote a great introduction to Paradise Lost. Start there, PB, and then listen to the book. Being a poem, it's always best to listen first, and read later as a way of recollection.
You may assimilate yet.

Assimilate into the Sacro Romano Impero?

Alas, dear boy, it has been usurped by the EU.

And they still won't let Turkey in.

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Reply #124 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 12:40pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 10:29am:

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2011 at 8:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 21^st, 2011 at 4:07pm:

When you can pry yourself away from Paradise Lost, of course. In the original.

Funny you should say that. I actually do recommend the Blackstone Audio version of Paradise Lost, read by Ralph Cosham. As every schoolboy knows, CS Lewis wrote a great introduction to Paradise Lost. Start there, PB, and then listen to the book. Being a poem, it's always best to listen first, and read later as a way of recollection.
You may assimilate yet.

Assimilate into the Sacro Romano Impero?

Alas, dear boy, it has been usurped by the EU.

And they still won't let Turkey in.

Nice Karnal Grin

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Reply #125 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 9:13pm

We really should preserve the old boy. Not only does he think every schoolboy has read the preface to Paradise Lost, but he thinks they know who CS Lewis is.

Now, some of us know CS Lewis for creating fantasy worlds behind wardrobes. The old boy, however, reads him for the essays: utterly dull works like Mere Christianity, which single handedly bleed the life from anything Jesus left on this earth, drop by drop.

Not that I've read the preface to Paradise Lost, of course. Still, I'm sure schoolboys everywhere are marvelling at it over games of conkers, beatings from their boazers, and the odd bit of dormitory sodomy.

Ah, such fond memories.

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barnaby joe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1992 euchareena	Re: Roger Scruton Reply #126 - Nov 23^rd, 2011 at 11:35pm take it from me karnal it's all the kids are doing these days.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96504	Re: Roger Scruton Reply #127 - Nov 24^th, 2011 at 9:15am Sodomy? Good heavens. I must tell Matty to stay away from them.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Roger Scruton Reply #128 - Nov 24^th, 2011 at 9:55am From 'why beauty matters' to the sordid is a few routine, rehearsed-to-death steps.
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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Roger Scruton Reply #129 - Nov 24^th, 2011 at 2:58pm Soren wrote on Nov 24^th, 2011 at 9:55am: From 'why beauty matters' to the sordid is a few routine, rehearsed-to-death steps. Pacific Bleeding Heart (Dicentra Formosa)
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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Roger Scruton Reply #130 - Nov 24^th, 2011 at 3:08pm Dierama pulcherium (angels fishing rods)
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96504	Re: Roger Scruton Reply #131 - Nov 25^th, 2011 at 9:42am You see, my friends? Gud makes the best arts, isn't it? Pretty flower, lovey birdsong, all the spheres in heavens and hells. There are many rooms in my fathers house. Gud is good, friends, you must agree.
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Reply #132 - Dec 21^st, 2011 at 11:03am

Guess what, I am back.

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With Anarchists and scientists only the truth revealed matters. Only hierarchies are tied to their guess work.

Anarchists aren't interested in 'truth' the way science is. Anarchism is a resentment against authority and has nothing to do with curing cancer or physics.

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On another relevant point: Why didn’t you respond to my queries on why you take advantage of all the goods and services created under authority while hating that authority? You know, like transport, medicine, food, clothing, shelter, sewage works, computers etc. etc. etc. If you were honest you would discard all your comforts because they were created under authoritarian structures.

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It was such a ludicrous thing to say I hought I'd save you embarressment. The advancement of human society is the result of the work of those who question. The stamping feet of authoritarians has ever been the bane of knowledge and enquiry.

This still doesn't answer the question. Why do you, and other anarchists, take full advantage of the comforts that have been manufactured by non-anarchist means?

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: Roger Scruton Reply #133 - Dec 27^th, 2011 at 8:03am Another anarchist bites the dust.
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