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Reply #45 - Nov 19th, 2011 at 11:49am
 
Now there's a poet. The line in my signature is from a Bukowski poem called "to the whore who took my poems."
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Reply #46 - Nov 19th, 2011 at 12:43pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 19th, 2011 at 11:49am:
Now there's a poet. The line in my signature is from a Bukowski poem called "to the whore who took my poems."

Yeah, his poetry sure had jagged edges!

The Tragedy of the Leaves

I awakened to dryness and the ferns were dead,
the potted plants yellow as corn;
my woman was gone
and the empty bottles like bled corpses
surrounded me with their uselessness;
the sun was still good, though,
and my landlady's note cracked in fine and
undemanding yellowness; what was needed now
was a good comedian, ancient style, a jester
with jokes upon absurd pain; pain is absurd
because it exists, nothing more;
I shaved carefully with an old razor
the man who had once been young and
said to have genius; but
that's the tragedy of the leaves,
the dead ferns, the dead plants;
and I walked into a dark hall
where the landlady stood
execrating and final,
sending me to hell,
waving her fat, sweaty arms
and screaming
screaming for rent
because the world had failed us
both.
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Reply #47 - Nov 19th, 2011 at 2:54pm
 
He has a hangover but not the rent for his room in a doss house. He writes about it and all the middle class kids clap.

As always, this sort of thing is a tragedy the first time (Baudelaire) but afterwards it's a sordid farce (Bukowski).

Quote:
Tales of Ordinary Madness (1981)

Storie di ordinaria follia (original title)
101 min  -  Drama   -  11 September 1981 (Italy)
Poet/lecturer Charles Serking awakens from his alcoholic haze long enough to take a bus back to L.A. and plunge into an orgy of drink and sexual depravity.


Fabbo. Come on kids, learn how to live.

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Reply #48 - Nov 19th, 2011 at 3:16pm
 
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Reply #49 - Nov 19th, 2011 at 3:19pm
 
It's not the subject matter, Soren, but the way he delivers his words. It's not all wonderful, but when he gets it right it's very powerful. Word art is different than the art in the Scruton documentary.
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Reply #50 - Nov 19th, 2011 at 3:21pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 19th, 2011 at 2:54pm:
He has a hangover but not the rent for his room in a doss house. He writes about it and all the middle class kids clap.

As always, this sort of thing is a tragedy the first time (Baudelaire) but afterwards it's a sordid farce (Bukowski).

Quote:
Tales of Ordinary Madness (1981)

Storie di ordinaria follia (original title)
101 min  -  Drama   -  11 September 1981 (Italy)
Poet/lecturer Charles Serking awakens from his alcoholic haze long enough to take a bus back to L.A. and plunge into an orgy of drink and sexual depravity.


Fabbo. Come on kids, learn how to live.


Ah Soren...

You're as punctual and predictable as a puritanical preacher Grin
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Reply #51 - Nov 19th, 2011 at 3:34pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 19th, 2011 at 3:19pm:
It's not the subject matter, Soren, but the way he delivers his words. It's not all wonderful, but when he gets it right it's very powerful. Word art is different than the art in the Scruton documentary.



Italo Calvino recited Dante to himself while in Auswitz and later said that Dante and poetry generally helped him get through that hell. Nobody wil ever recite Bukowski to himself as a way of fortifying his spirit. Bukowski is for the middle class kids who want to take the occasional vicarious holiday in what they imagine to be other people's mysery. Bukowski is poetic equivalent of the Starbucks surcharge for fairtrade coffee. Have a cuppa and gissa 10 cents to salve your guilt over world povery. Ten cents/Bukowski will buy you a sense of 'I'v done my bit". Cheap, either way.





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Reply #52 - Nov 19th, 2011 at 3:47pm
 
How much Bukowski have you read? He has an undeniable skill with words. If he can make the 'middle class kids' relate to life as an alcoholic hovering on the edge of homelessness, is that not gifted?

Calvino's stories are beautiful, no doubt. I haven't read him in a long while, but the woman on the train with the young soldier stands out in my memory. Dante is incomparable.

Bukowski occupies his own space and he does it very well.


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Reply #53 - Nov 19th, 2011 at 3:48pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 19th, 2011 at 3:21pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 19th, 2011 at 2:54pm:
He has a hangover but not the rent for his room in a doss house. He writes about it and all the middle class kids clap.

As always, this sort of thing is a tragedy the first time (Baudelaire) but afterwards it's a sordid farce (Bukowski).

Quote:
Tales of Ordinary Madness (1981)

Storie di ordinaria follia (original title)
101 min  -  Drama   -  11 September 1981 (Italy)
Poet/lecturer Charles Serking awakens from his alcoholic haze long enough to take a bus back to L.A. and plunge into an orgy of drink and sexual depravity.


Fabbo. Come on kids, learn how to live.


Ah Soren...

You're as punctual and predictable as a puritanical preacher Grin



You've nailed it, helian. You cheer Bukowski on because on a good day he gets up people's noses. That's it.
That's all there is to him. Bourgeois-bating, the most bourgeois thing of all.  Thin gruel to get excited about but the bland middle class kids have to get their kicks where-ever they can find them. To them, CB is cheaply bought fabbo and cheer-worthiness.


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Reply #54 - Nov 19th, 2011 at 3:57pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 19th, 2011 at 3:48pm:
You've nailed it, helian. You cheer Bukowski on because on a good day he gets up people's noses. That's it.
That's all there is to him. Bourgeois-bating, the most bourgeois thing of all.  Thin gruel to get excited about but the bland middle class kids have to get their kicks where-ever they can find them. To them, CB is cheaply bought fabbo and cheer-worthiness.

This one might resonate in a brimstone sermon, Pastor...

OH, YES
 
there are worse things than
being alone
but it often takes decades
to realize this
and most often
when you do
it's too late
and there's nothing worse
than
too late.





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Reply #55 - Nov 19th, 2011 at 4:02pm
 
On Going Back To The Street After Viewing An Art Show 

        
they talk down through
the centuries to us,
and this we need more and more,
the statues and paintings
in midnight age
as we go along
holding dead hands.

and we would say
rather than delude the knowing:
a damn good show,
but hardly enough for a horse to eat,
and out on the sunshine street where
eyes are dabbled in metazoan faces
i decide again
that in theses centuries
they have done very well
considering the nature of their
brothers:
it's more than good
that some of them,
(closer really to the field-mouse than
falcon)
have been bold enough to try.
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Reply #56 - Nov 19th, 2011 at 4:06pm
 
So Dante for the written, Michelangelo for visual and who for music Soren? Is it to be Bach or Mozart? Does the term 'cultural desert' ever come to mind?
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Reply #57 - Nov 19th, 2011 at 4:14pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 19th, 2011 at 3:57pm:
it's too late
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than
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It is always as in the last moment before the departure of an emigrant-ship; people have more than ever to say to one another, the hour presses, the ocean with its lonely silence waits impatiently behind all the noise -- so greedy, so certain of its prey! And all, all, suppose that the past has been nothing, or a small matter, that the near future is everything: hence this haste, this crying, this self-deafening and self-overreaching!


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Reply #58 - Nov 19th, 2011 at 4:17pm
 
I liked D. H. Lawrence
he could get so indignant
he snapped and he ripped
with wonderfully energetic sentences
he could lay the word down
bright and writhing
there was the stink of blood and murder
and sacrifice about him
the only tenderness he allowed
was when he bedded down his large German
wife.
I liked D. H. Lawrence--
he could talk about Christ
like he was the man next door
and he could describe Australian taxi drivers
so well you hated them
I liked D. H. Lawrence
but I'm glad I never met him
in some bistro
him lifting his tiny hot cup of
tea
and looking at me
with his worm-hole eyes.
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Reply #59 - Nov 19th, 2011 at 4:20pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 19th, 2011 at 4:14pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 19th, 2011 at 3:57pm:
it's too late
and there's nothing worse
than
too late.




It is always as in the last moment before the departure of an emigrant-ship; people have more than ever to say to one another, the hour presses, the ocean with its lonely silence waits impatiently behind all the noise -- so greedy, so certain of its prey! And all, all, suppose that the past has been nothing, or a small matter, that the near future is everything: hence this haste, this crying, this self-deafening and self-overreaching!



Well, they were both krauts... They had that in common Grin
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