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The Koran and its condoning of wife beating
Nov 12th, 2011 at 6:00pm
 
Sura 4:34

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth.

So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard.

But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - admonish them; forsake them in bed; and beat them.

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Reply #1 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 4:24pm
 
Good video Lisa.
This exposes the primitive muslim culture about to invade our shores.
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Reply #2 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 4:50pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 14th, 2011 at 4:24pm:
Good video Lisa.
This exposes the primitive muslim culture about to invade our shores.


What do you mean 'about to'??

There have been muslims here for over 150 years..
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Reply #3 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 5:03pm
 
Run, Bobby, run.
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Reply #4 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 5:10pm
 
Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

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Reply #5 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 5:24pm
 
I thought the preceeding quote was good, but the whole article I drew it from is bloody good.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=245169
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Reply #6 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 6:53pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 14th, 2011 at 4:50pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 14th, 2011 at 4:24pm:
Good video Lisa.
This exposes the primitive muslim culture about to invade our shores.


What do you mean 'about to'??

There have been muslims here for over 150 years..



Just read Abu's  section here.
We've had them amongst us but their true agenda has remained secret till now.
Abu wants Sharia law in Australia.
Therefore he wants wife beating to be legal.
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Reply #7 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 11:32am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 6:00pm:
Sura 4:34

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth.

So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard.

But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - admonish them; forsake them in bed; and beat them.



What a primitive barbaric lot they are.
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Reply #8 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 9:49pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 14th, 2011 at 6:53pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 14th, 2011 at 4:50pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 14th, 2011 at 4:24pm:
Good video Lisa.
This exposes the primitive muslim culture about to invade our shores.


What do you mean 'about to'??

There have been muslims here for over 150 years..



Just read Abu's  section here.
We've had them amongst us but their true agenda has remained secret till now.
Abu wants Sharia law in Australia.
Therefore he wants wife beating to be legal.


I wouldn't worry too much about that bobby....it might just be Abu's reason...

People say pretty stupid stuff all the time, and some of it gets blown out of proportion by the media..

And it wasn't really all that long ago that wife beating was almost ignored in a lot of Western or Christian countries too...
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Reply #9 - Nov 24th, 2011 at 3:33pm
 
The Quran warns against harming the wife:

"...Do not retain them (your wives) to harm them...(Quran, 2:231)"
"And among God's signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves that you might find tranquillity and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect. (Quran 30:21)"  

Prophet Muhammed, on numerous occasions, warned people to be kind towards their women, and he warned people against acting out of anger:

"He who believes in God and the Hereafter…act kindly towards the women!”  (collected in The Authentic of Muslim)"  

"The strong is not the one who overcomes the people by his strength, but the strong is the one who controls himself while in anger.  (Collected in The Authentic of Bukhari,"

"....Umar (companion of the prophet) said: 'The Prophet forbade beating (anyone) on the face.'  (Collected in The Authentic of Bukhari)"

Muhammed Salih al-Munajjid, one of the pre-eminent modern scholars of Islam, writes about the treatment of wives in Islam thus:

“…The Quran enjoins good treatment of one's wife: she is to be honoured and treated kindly, even when one no longer feels love in one's heart towards her. God says:

"live with them (wives) on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good.”  (interpretation of Quran, 4:19)

2 – The Quran explains that women have rights over their husbands, just as their husbands have rights over them. God says:

“And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards to living expenses, sexual needs, companionship, etc.) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards to rights such as obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And God is All-Mighty, All-Wise” (interpretation of the Quran, 2:228)

The Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him) enjoined kind treatment and honouring of one’s wife, and he described the best of people as those who are best to their wives. He said: “The best of you are those who are the best to their wives, and I am the best of you to my wives.”(Collected by al-Tirmidhi and by classed as authentic by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi)

The Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him) spoke beautiful words concerning kind treatment of one’s wife, stating that when the husband feeds his wife and puts a morsel of food in her mouth, he earns the reward of doing an act of charity. He said, “You never spend anything but you will be rewarded (by God) for it, even the morsel of food that you lift to your wife’s mouth.”(Collected in The Authentic of al-Bukhaari and in The Authentic of Muslim)

And he (peace and blessings of God be upon him) said: “Fear God with regard to women, for you have taken them as a trust from God…”

The premise that a wife can be beaten to force her to have sex is incorrect. The Quran tells how a man can treat a rebellious and disloyal wife. The first step is verbal admonition. The second is leaving the marital bed. If the Quran was referring to cases of denial of sex, why would it advise to leave the marital bed?

Obviously, these guidelines are for general cases of disloyalty and rebelliousness – not for the denial of sex.

As for the beating, which should be used only as a last resort, Islamic scholars have said it should be a light hit which causes no injury. Some scholars said that it should not even cause pain...

In fact, although the Quran permits a man to beat his wife in extreme circumstances, many of the great scholars of Islam, including Imam Shafi’ee advised against it, and even Prophet Muhammed is reported as having advised against it:

Narrated by Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Prophet of God (blessings and peace be upon him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them…and do not beat them, and do not revile them.”  (collected in The Sunan of Abu-Dawud)"

Muhammed Salih al-Munajjid, explains the Quranic permission to beat the wife:

“(as for the Quranic verse)…“As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, God is Ever Most High, Most Great”
[Quran, 4:34]

If a woman rebels against her husband and disobeys his commands, then he should follow this method of admonishing her, forsaking her in bed and hitting her. Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury. Al-Hasan al-Basri (the great scholar of Islam) said: “this means that it should not cause pain.”

‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas [a companion of Prophet Muhammed], what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh (that is enjoined in the Quran)? He said, “Hitting with a siwak and the like. [A siwak is a small twig used for cleaning the teeth]”

The purpose behind this is not to hurt or humiliate the woman, rather it is intended to make her realize that she has transgressed against her husband’s rights, and that her husband has the right to set her straight and discipline her.”
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Reply #10 - Nov 24th, 2011 at 3:33pm
 
Now let’s compare to what the Bible says:

"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver.  He must marry the girl, for he has violated her.  He can never divorce her as long as he lives.  (Deuteronomy 22:28)"

Genesis 3:16 "To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children.Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.""

1 Corinthians 11:3 "…the boss of the woman is man…"

1 Corinthians 11:6-7 6 If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.

Exodus 21:7-8 "And in case a man should sell his daughter as a slave girl, she will not go out in the way that the slave men go out.  If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master so that he doesn't designate her as a concubine but causes her to be redeemed, he will not be entitled to sell her to a foreign people in his treacherously dealing with her."

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "And in case men struggle together (in a fight) with one another, and the wife of the one has come near to deliver her husband out of the striking one (to save her husband), and she has thrust out her hand and grabbed hold of his private (the other man's groin), she must then get both her hands cut off, and the eyes of the men must feel no sorrow."

Revelation 14:4 "Those are those (men) who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure.  They follow the Lamb wherever he goes.  They were purchased from among men and offered as first fruits to God and the Lamb."

Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."
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Reply #11 - Nov 25th, 2011 at 10:17am
 
falah wrote on Nov 24th, 2011 at 3:33pm:
"He who believes in God and the Hereafter…act kindly towards the women!”  (collected in The Authentic of Muslim)"  




Une journaliste de la chaîne France 3 a déclaré avoir été violemment frappée et victime d'une agression sexuelle aujourd'hui place Tahrir au Caire, où elle effectuait un reportage.

Caroline Sinz a déclaré que son cameraman, Salah Agrabi, et elle-même avaient commencé à être pris à partie dans une rue menant de Tahrir au ministère de l'Intérieur, où ont eu lieu les heurts les plus violents entre manifestants et forces de l'ordre ces derniers jours. "Nous étions en train de filmer dans la rue Mohamed Mahmoud quand nous avons été assaillis par des jeunes de quatorze ou quinze ans", a-t-elle raconté, en faisant état "d'attouchements".


(A journalist from network France 3 said she had been violently beaten and sexually assaulted on Tahrir Sq where she was reporting from.)
http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2011/11/24/97001-20111124FILWWW00684-egypte-un...

The heaving heart of Islam - no place for a woman.

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