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Reply #60 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:11pm

adelcrow wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:23pm:

Yep..theres no such thing as carbon pollution or man made climate change..blah blah blah blah blah

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DNA I hope you are not, by some back door way, trying to insinuate that I do not believe in climate change? I have never said that. I believe that the climate has always changed, is changing, and always will and also.....take note....I believe that humans contribute in some way.

This debate is about the Carbon Tax. A Carbon Tax that will NEVER change the climate but will have a huge effect on our industry and our small businesses. Why did Gillard and co....if they are so concerned about Aussie companies' emissions....why did they not offer energy producers huge tax reductions to explore and find "alternate" energy? Going about it the way they have is simply not going to work. Which is why other energy producing countries are not following suit.

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Reply #61 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:48pm

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:11pm:

adelcrow wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:23pm:

Yep..theres no such thing as carbon pollution or man made climate change..blah blah blah blah blah

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DNA I hope you are not, by some back door way, trying to insinuate that I do not believe in climate change? I have never said that. I believe that the climate has always changed, is changing, and always will and also.....take note....I believe that humans contribute in some way.

This debate is about the Carbon Tax. A Carbon Tax that will NEVER change the climate but will have a huge effect on our industry and our small businesses. Why did Gillard and co....if they are so concerned about Aussie companies' emissions....why did they not offer energy producers huge tax reductions to explore and find "alternate" energy? Going about it the way they have is simply not going to work. Which is why other energy producing countries are not following suit.

Great idea!

So the energy producers will fiddle about with a couple of el-cheapo projects and pocket the huge tax reductions. Of course, the government would have to tax you and I to fund those tax cuts. In the end, nothing gets produced and we're all out of pocket.

Great plan. Shocked

OH HANG ON! That's Tony's plan!! Cheesy

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Reply #62 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:50pm

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:31pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:19pm:

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:18pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:13pm:

Rudd would have no chance either.
Well if the same polls that say Abbott will beat Gillard are to be believed Rudd has every chance, in fact Rudd would beat Abbott. But you of course have selective poll belief syndrome, you believe the ones that suit you and ignore the ones that dont, even tho they are produced by the very same people. This condition can only be cured by removing the rusted on genes that you carry.

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When it comes to the gene pool, skip, I don't think you need worry about mine.....be more concerned about your own.

OK mel

......... skip......... lol Grin

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que?

You are confusing me with someone else again? What would you prefer to be called? I thought "skip" was ok. Mel? Indeed? Why don't you ask by a private message to one of the mods if I am indeed this person. You seem to think that everyone who is opposed to your viewpoint is one multi-personality disorder individual. As I have said before, ad nauseum, my only id is "Olive". But if you can't argue coherently, then you always fall back on this old nonsense, I notice. Do yourself a favour, "Skip", check out YOUR gene pool....oh...on second thoughts, be careful, you might find it a bit shallow..... Roll Eyes

I can attest to that olive was also on yahoo with the likes of myself under the id evilo... olive spelt backwards for those semi illiterates on here.

we have no need for other IDs we are quite comfortable with what we say on these forums..right olive??...

I do feel those that harp on endlessly about someone being someone else... are deadset insecure.and can see threats coming from all angles..'Oh Mods save me I am being picked on"...

I guess talking about socks saves them from having to debate something at the end of the day.

I personally couldnt give a sh!t if peter paul and mary.. turned out to be huey louy and dewy... who cares???????

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Reply #63 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:54pm

Gist wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:48pm:

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:11pm:

adelcrow wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:23pm:

Yep..theres no such thing as carbon pollution or man made climate change..blah blah blah blah blah

...............

DNA I hope you are not, by some back door way, trying to insinuate that I do not believe in climate change? I have never said that. I believe that the climate has always changed, is changing, and always will and also.....take note....I believe that humans contribute in some way.

This debate is about the Carbon Tax. A Carbon Tax that will NEVER change the climate but will have a huge effect on our industry and our small businesses. Why did Gillard and co....if they are so concerned about Aussie companies' emissions....why did they not offer energy producers huge tax reductions to explore and find "alternate" energy? Going about it the way they have is simply not going to work. Which is why other energy producing countries are not following suit.

Great idea!

So the energy producers will fiddle about with a couple of el-cheapo projects and pocket the huge tax reductions. Of course, the government would have to tax you and I to fund those tax cuts. In the end, nothing gets produced and we're all out of pocket.

Great plan. Shocked

OH HANG ON! That's Tony's plan!! Cheesy

oh hang on... what the govt giveth the govt can take away...

a bit like carbon credits... only it in taxes instead..

I am under the impression all RE is sooooooooooo much cheaper no one paying power bills very soon..

there will be no power stations to speak of isnt that right?????

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Reply #65 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:08pm

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:54pm:

oh hang on... what the govt giveth the govt can take away...

a bit like carbon credits... only it in taxes instead..

I am under the impression all RE is sooooooooooo much cheaper no one paying power bills very soon..

there will be no power stations to speak of isnt that right?????

What has any of that got to do with olive's plan? Or Tony's??

Have you got a plan that'll successfully eliminate power stations? There's lots of people would be interested.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Julia lied again! Reply #66 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:10pm Dr Brown wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:03pm: It's actually free to take all you want, if you are clever enough to harvest it. what about the upfront costs or dont they come into it?
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Reply #67 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:14pm

Gist wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:08pm:

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:54pm:

oh hang on... what the govt giveth the govt can take away...

a bit like carbon credits... only it in taxes instead..

I am under the impression all RE is sooooooooooo much cheaper no one paying power bills very soon..

there will be no power stations to speak of isnt that right?????

What has any of that got to do with olive's plan? Or Tony's??

Have you got a plan that'll successfully eliminate power stations? There's lots of people would be interested.

huhummmmmmm I thought that was the GREAT IDEA behind CARBON TAX>.. do away with emmission making industry......NO????????

are we not on the path of everything RE. windmills and ugly solar panels..galore.solar plastic cars ...........where did I get that idea from?????

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Dr Brown Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137 Northganistan Gender:	Re: Julia lied again! Reply #68 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:15pm What do up front costs have to do with it? Ever heard of economies of scale? The infrastructure pays for itself in the long term and the energy is always free to take. Enjoy.
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Reply #69 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:17pm

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:14pm:

Gist wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:08pm:

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:54pm:

oh hang on... what the govt giveth the govt can take away...

a bit like carbon credits... only it in taxes instead..

I am under the impression all RE is sooooooooooo much cheaper no one paying power bills very soon..

there will be no power stations to speak of isnt that right?????

What has any of that got to do with olive's plan? Or Tony's??

Have you got a plan that'll successfully eliminate power stations? There's lots of people would be interested.

huhummmmmmm I thought that was the GREAT IDEA behind CARBON TAX>.. do away with emmission making industry......NO????????

are we not on the path of everything RE. windmills and ugly solar panels..galore.solar plastic cars ...........where did I get that idea from?????

You are obsolete, please hand yourself in at the nearest recycling centre.

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Reply #70 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:19pm

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:14pm:

huhummmmmmm I thought that was the GREAT IDEA behind CARBON TAX>.. do away with emmission making industry......NO????????

are we not on the path of everything RE. windmills and ugly solar panels..galore.solar plastic cars ...........where did I get that idea from?????

Excellent, you've got it right. Glad to see we're managing to educate you.

The thing though is that the tax has to be implemented before anyone has any money to start researching any thing. None of it kicks off until July next year. Remember?

This could all have been rolling by now if it hadn't been for the Libs backflip.

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Reply #71 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:10pm

Gist wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:48pm:

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:11pm:

adelcrow wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:23pm:

Yep..theres no such thing as carbon pollution or man made climate change..blah blah blah blah blah

...............

DNA I hope you are not, by some back door way, trying to insinuate that I do not believe in climate change? I have never said that. I believe that the climate has always changed, is changing, and always will and also.....take note....I believe that humans contribute in some way.

This debate is about the Carbon Tax. A Carbon Tax that will NEVER change the climate but will have a huge effect on our industry and our small businesses. Why did Gillard and co....if they are so concerned about Aussie companies' emissions....why did they not offer energy producers huge tax reductions to explore and find "alternate" energy? Going about it the way they have is simply not going to work. Which is why other energy producing countries are not following suit.

Great idea!

So the energy producers will fiddle about with a couple of el-cheapo projects and pocket the huge tax reductions. Of course, the government would have to tax you and I to fund those tax cuts. In the end, nothing gets produced and we're all out of pocket.

Great plan. Shocked

OH HANG ON! That's Tony's plan!! Cheesy

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And a Carbon Tax on Australians will reduce emissions by HOW MUCH????? Do YOU know where the tax will go that is to go overseas???? Will Australians be happy to pay more and more carbon tax every year while their groceries, heating, electricity, fuel etc becomes more and more expensive? Many Aussies have the seat out of their pants already.

No-one says that the Carbon Tax on Aussies will make one iota of difference to the atmosphere. This is the whole nonsense of the matter.

Somehow the government seems to think that Australia leads the way. Even Barrack Obama says it is a forward and bold move.....he didn't say the US would be doing it.....nooooo....too bold by far for the rest of the world....and they are much smarter than Gillard....they don't want to sell their countries down the toilet.

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Reply #72 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:27pm

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:10pm:

And a Carbon Tax on Australians will reduce emissions by HOW MUCH????? Do YOU know where the tax will go that is to go overseas???? Will Australians be happy to pay more and more carbon tax every year while their groceries, heating, electricity, fuel etc becomes more and more expensive? Many Aussies have the seat out of their pants already.

No-one says that the Carbon Tax on Aussies will make one iota of difference to the atmosphere. This is the whole nonsense of the matter.

Somehow the government seems to think that Australia leads the way. Even Barrack Obama says it is a forward and bold move.....he didn't say the US would be doing it.....nooooo....too bold by far for the rest of the world....and they are much smarter than Gillard....they don't want to sell their countries down the toilet.

Deary gracious me! Just when I thought we had you educated, cods, here you go spouting the same stuff again. Dementia?

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Reply #73 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:42pm

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:11pm:

DNA I hope you are not, by some back door way, trying to insinuate that I do not believe in climate change? I have never said that. I believe that the climate has always changed, is changing, and always will and also.....take note....I believe that humans contribute in some way.

This debate is about the Carbon Tax.

I never even considered the point or had any opinion on your belief in that area but you should be carefull about that back door or a few refugees may get in.

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Reply #74 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:50pm

Gist wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:27pm:

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:10pm:

And a Carbon Tax on Australians will reduce emissions by HOW MUCH????? Do YOU know where the tax will go that is to go overseas???? Will Australians be happy to pay more and more carbon tax every year while their groceries, heating, electricity, fuel etc becomes more and more expensive? Many Aussies have the seat out of their pants already.

No-one says that the Carbon Tax on Aussies will make one iota of difference to the atmosphere. This is the whole nonsense of the matter.

Somehow the government seems to think that Australia leads the way. Even Barrack Obama says it is a forward and bold move.....he didn't say the US would be doing it.....nooooo....too bold by far for the rest of the world....and they are much smarter than Gillard....they don't want to sell their countries down the toilet.

Deary gracious me! Just when I thought we had you educated, cods, here you go spouting the same stuff again. Dementia?

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No answers then, to the question of how much (or how LITTLE) the CT will reduce emissions. Typical non-answer as usual...typical mixing up of id's ....typical slinging off because there is a feeling of inadequacy due to not being able to answer the most important question. HOW MUCH will it reduce emissions....because the answer is that the amount is......."negligible".

Exactly what I have come to expect. Nothing new here.

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