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Reply #75 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:58pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:42pm:

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:11pm:

DNA I hope you are not, by some back door way, trying to insinuate that I do not believe in climate change? I have never said that. I believe that the climate has always changed, is changing, and always will and also.....take note....I believe that humans contribute in some way.

This debate is about the Carbon Tax.

I never even considered the point or had any opinion on your belief in that area but you should be carefull about that back door or a few refugees may get in.

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Lol....too late....the back door has been open since 2008...but glad you don't have preconceived ideas about me.......

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Reply #76 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:04pm

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:50pm:

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:31pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:19pm:

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:18pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:13pm:

Rudd would have no chance either.
Well if the same polls that say Abbott will beat Gillard are to be believed Rudd has every chance, in fact Rudd would beat Abbott. But you of course have selective poll belief syndrome, you believe the ones that suit you and ignore the ones that dont, even tho they are produced by the very same people. This condition can only be cured by removing the rusted on genes that you carry.

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When it comes to the gene pool, skip, I don't think you need worry about mine.....be more concerned about your own.

OK mel

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You are confusing me with someone else again? What would you prefer to be called? I thought "skip" was ok. Mel? Indeed? Why don't you ask by a private message to one of the mods if I am indeed this person. You seem to think that everyone who is opposed to your viewpoint is one multi-personality disorder individual. As I have said before, ad nauseum, my only id is "Olive". But if you can't argue coherently, then you always fall back on this old nonsense, I notice. Do yourself a favour, "Skip", check out YOUR gene pool....oh...on second thoughts, be careful, you might find it a bit shallow..... Roll Eyes

I can attest to that olive was also on yahoo with the likes of myself under the id evilo... olive spelt backwards for those semi illiterates on here.

we have no need for other IDs we are quite comfortable with what we say on these forums..right olive??...

I do feel those that harp on endlessly about someone being someone else... are deadset insecure.and can see threats coming from all angles..'Oh Mods save me I am being picked on"...

I guess talking about socks saves them from having to debate something at the end of the day.

I personally couldnt give a sh!t if peter paul and mary.. turned out to be huey louy and dewy... who cares???????

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Too right, cods. Why put up heaps of other id's. One is all I have time for....but it would explain why some of those other people's posts are often unintelligible.....it must get confusing!!!

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Reply #77 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:14pm

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:50pm:

No answers then, to the question of how much (or how LITTLE) the CT will reduce emissions. Typical non-answer as usual...typical mixing up of id's ....typical slinging off because there is a feeling of inadequacy due to not being able to answer the most important question. HOW MUCH will it reduce emissions....because the answer is that the amount is......."negligible".

Exactly what I have come to expect. Nothing new here.

If we reduce it by 50% we will then only be producing about 100% more than our fair share.

As John Howard said:

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"Australia will continue to lead internationally on climate change, globally and in the Asia-Pacific region," he told a Liberal Party federal council meeting two days after unveiling his ETS blueprint.

"This will be a world-class emissions trading system more comprehensive, more rigorously grounded in economics, and with better governance than anything in Europe."

In an address to the Melbourne Press Club a month later, Howard said: "In the years to come it will provide a model for other nations to follow.

"Being among the first movers on carbon trading in this region will bring new opportunities and we intend to grasp them."

And there was this exchange at a news conference in the run-up to the election that saw him defeated by Kevin Rudd.

Journalist: "Haven't you locked Australia into an emissions trading scheme in the next term?"

Howard: "Yes, I have."

Journalist: "Regardless of what our trading competitors do?"

Howard: "Yes, but that is precisely the sort of contribution we should make."

being able to answer the most important question

In my view the least important question.

In my view the argument that us reducing our emission levels will not have a huge impact is not an good excuse to just keep increasing our output - that is not going to help at all - we can't fix it so therefore we should just see how much worse we can make it?

Sorry but that is just not part of any solution.

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Reply #78 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:25pm

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:04pm:

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:50pm:

we have no need for other IDs we are quite comfortable with what we say on these forums..right olive??...

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Too right, cods. Why put up heaps of other id's. One is all I have time for....but it would explain why some of those other people's posts are often unintelligible.....it must get confusing!!!

I don't get all the claims that everyone is somebody else, in my view 95% minimum are who they claim to be.

Also what does it matter - most of the time I reply to the content who posted it is of little relevance - more important is if it’s making a strong case or not.

Changing names is not going to improve the content of the debate; I see no point in doing it and don't particularly care anyway.

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Reply #79 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:29pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:14pm:

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:50pm:

No answers then, to the question of how much (or how LITTLE) the CT will reduce emissions. Typical non-answer as usual...typical mixing up of id's ....typical slinging off because there is a feeling of inadequacy due to not being able to answer the most important question. HOW MUCH will it reduce emissions....because the answer is that the amount is......."negligible".

Exactly what I have come to expect. Nothing new here.

If we reduce it by 50% we will then only be producing about 100% more than our fair share.

As John Howard said:

Quote:

"Australia will continue to lead internationally on climate change, globally and in the Asia-Pacific region," he told a Liberal Party federal council meeting two days after unveiling his ETS blueprint.

"This will be a world-class emissions trading system more comprehensive, more rigorously grounded in economics, and with better governance than anything in Europe."

In an address to the Melbourne Press Club a month later, Howard said: "In the years to come it will provide a model for other nations to follow.

"Being among the first movers on carbon trading in this region will bring new opportunities and we intend to grasp them."

And there was this exchange at a news conference in the run-up to the election that saw him defeated by Kevin Rudd.

Journalist: "Haven't you locked Australia into an emissions trading scheme in the next term?"

Howard: "Yes, I have."

Journalist: "Regardless of what our trading competitors do?"

Howard: "Yes, but that is precisely the sort of contribution we should make."

being able to answer the most important question

In my view the least important question.

In my view the argument that us reducing our emission levels will not have a huge impact is not an good excuse to just keep increasing our output - that is not going to help at all - we can't fix it so therefore we should just see how much worse we can make it?

Sorry but that is just not part of any solution.

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DNA, I agree, as do most other people against the Carbon Tax, that we must alter our bad habits and our denigration of Mother Earth. We simply do not believe that a Carbon Tax will, in any way at all, do anything to curb these excesses. That is the whole point. That is why most Australians are angry that they didn't get the chance to vote on this CT. That is why other countries have gone cold on this so-called "solution". With intelligence and far more consultation with those who supply our needs, there must be other ways. This is just a way for the govt to take the cream off the top of the pie. It has no hope of achieving what, I believe, most people want...certainly China is negating any contribution we, as a nation may make. That makes a mockery of the whole issue...especially as JG is willing to mine our coal to sell it to people who are stockpiling it for their future use. JG, if she was a woman of conviction....would not be mining it at all...especially to sell to such high polluters. Now she finds it ok to sell our uranium to India....."because it is clean energy"....Well done, Julia....Finally you see the light.

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Reply #80 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:44pm

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:29pm:

DNA, I agree, as do most other people against the Carbon Tax, that we must alter our bad habits and our denigration of Mother Earth. We simply do not believe that a Carbon Tax will, in any way at all, do anything to curb these excesses. That is the whole point.
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At the moment there is only one plan on the table to do anything, I agree its not perfect and nobody thinks it is, it is still by far the best option available. The conservatives dithered and blundered around by and large ignoring the issue for over a decade and look pretty keen to go back to the same position if given the chance.

It is far from ideal but also by far the best option we have available.

I personally think that the fixed price is as Tony Abbott said a better option than a trading scheme.

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Reply #81 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:59pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:44pm:

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:29pm:

DNA, I agree, as do most other people against the Carbon Tax, that we must alter our bad habits and our denigration of Mother Earth. We simply do not believe that a Carbon Tax will, in any way at all, do anything to curb these excesses. That is the whole point.
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At the moment there is only one plan on the table to do anything, I agree its not perfect and nobody thinks it is, it is still by far the best option available. The conservatives dithered and blundered around by and large ignoring the issue for over a decade and look pretty keen to go back to the same position if given the chance.

It is far from ideal but also by far the best option we have available.

I personally think that the fixed price is as Tony Abbott said a better option than a trading scheme.

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Fixed price is indeed a better option than trading scheme. I agree with you. But this govt is not good at getting things right and the fact that we are to start with a price that is approx double what other countries (some of which are going broke) are doing, seems ludicrous. While ever the other coal producing countries are backpeddling, there is need of another solution entirely. While ever there is not a consensus between ALL countries, this is not a good solution though...it is simply wealth redistribution....and Australians will be the losers. No one gains when they are "compensated" for paying higher energy costs....how will that cause them to rein in their excesses...?....the rich, who will be largely unaffected, will continue to run up big power bills because they can afford to....the poor will be the ones who hurt the most as each year the tax will need to be raised and the costs will continue to rise. The polluting companies will still pollute...they will just pay more for it....and pass on the costs to the public.

There is surely another solution.

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Reply #82 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:27pm

Juliar Gillard should be investigated for corruption, conspiracy, deception and misleading the Parliament and the Australian people. Her corruption and deception is simply too blatant to let slide. Todays news about a US military build up in the north ahead of an Asian war and yesterdays yellow cake back flip are the latest in a string of policy changes the Australian people have not been privy to in the decision making.

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Reply #83 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:46pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:27pm:

Juliar Gillard should be investigated for corruption, conspiracy, deception and misleading the Parliament and the Australian people. Her corruption and deception is simply too blatant to let slide. Todays news about a US military build up in the north ahead of an Asian war and yesterdays yellow cake back flip are the latest in a string of policy changes the Australian people have not been privy to in the decision making.

Not PRIVY to???
Maybe you didn't get the memo.
Maybe you were in the Privy.

Next time a government needs to make a decision I am sure she will drop in and discuss it with you personally, who knows, she may hold the opinion of the lunatic right in very high esteem.

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Reply #84 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:53pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:27pm:

Juliar Gillard should be investigated for corruption, conspiracy, deception and misleading the Parliament and the Australian people. Her corruption and deception is simply too blatant to let slide. Todays news about a US military build up in the north ahead of an Asian war and yesterdays yellow cake back flip are the latest in a string of policy changes the Australian people have not been privy to in the decision making.

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Rudd was the one who put the kybosh on the sale of uranium to India. Now JG is overturning that decision....which she was part of when KR was the boss....
Interesting, isn't it? Never a dull moment with Julia....you never know which way she will face next....
However, this time I think she has made the right decision.
Can't help but wonder how KR feels about it though....mmm?

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Reply #85 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:00pm

JuLIAR is the lunatic right - no leftist would agree to a US military build up in Auastralia, espouse the kind of irrational China paranoia coming out of Canberra or the controlled media or over turn the ban on the sale of yellow cake. Lets not kid ourselves on who is far right here - JuLIAR is a far right winger who has deliberately deceived the Australian people on her true values and intent with extreme malice. She is militarizing this nation for an illegal war of aggression in Asia. Juliar has lied blatantly throughout her career as to her true extremist far right political persuasions. And yes we the Australias people have a right to better than this corruption.

Yankee GO HOME

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Reply #86 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:05pm

Gist wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:19pm:

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:14pm:

huhummmmmmm I thought that was the GREAT IDEA behind CARBON TAX>.. do away with emmission making industry......NO????????

are we not on the path of everything RE. windmills and ugly solar panels..galore.solar plastic cars ...........where did I get that idea from?????

Excellent, you've got it right. Glad to see we're managing to educate you.

The thing though is that the tax has to be implemented before anyone has any money to start researching any thing. None of it kicks off until July next year. Remember?

This could all have been rolling by now if it hadn't been for the Libs backflip.

really as it was such a matter of life and death in 2008.... since then we have had the ETS that never was,. Copenhagen where they just about all made fools of themselves.. now we have the great debate every year in a far flung nation... and this year we are sending 46 public bloody servants.. at something like the cost of $500.000 to another talkfest that will prove nothing and solve nothing. in Durban..what a pity they didnt choose Somalia where they could see first hand some real GW..

but of course CARBON TAX the saviour of the globe.. the globe will stop warming.... when and how well we will never know will we??.

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Reply #87 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:13pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:00pm:

JuLIAR is the lunatic right - no leftist would agree to a US military build up in Auastralia, espouse the kind of irrational China paranoia coming out of Canberra or the controlled media or over turn the ban on the sale of yellow cake. Lets not kid ourselves on who is far right here - JuLIAR is a far right winger who has deliberately deceived the Australian people on her true values and intent with extreme malice. She is militarizing this nation for an illegal war of aggression in Asia. Juliar has lied blatantly throughout her career as to her true extremist far right political persuasions. And yes we the Australias people have a right to better than this corruption.

Yankee GO HOME

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Read an article by Kevin Rudd in which he warns of a build up of power and armaments in China which should at least alert us all. After all, Kevin Rudd has strong connections with China. The fact that he wants us to upsize our Navy and strengthen our defence is interesting.

It is not a bad thing to have a powerful friend, as we do with the US, who are willing to train and exercise with our own military. IMHO.

There is no harm in being prepared should any future conflict arise in our area.

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Reply #88 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:47pm

olive wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:13pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:00pm:

JuLIAR is the lunatic right - no leftist would agree to a US military build up in Auastralia, espouse the kind of irrational China paranoia coming out of Canberra or the controlled media or over turn the ban on the sale of yellow cake. Lets not kid ourselves on who is far right here - JuLIAR is a far right winger who has deliberately deceived the Australian people on her true values and intent with extreme malice. She is militarizing this nation for an illegal war of aggression in Asia. Juliar has lied blatantly throughout her career as to her true extremist far right political persuasions. And yes we the Australias people have a right to better than this corruption.

Yankee GO HOME

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Read an article by Kevin Rudd in which he warns of a build up of power and armaments in China which should at least alert us all. After all, Kevin Rudd has strong connections with China. The fact that he wants us to upsize our Navy and strengthen our defence is interesting.

It is not a bad thing to have a powerful friend, as we do with the US, who are willing to train and exercise with our own military. IMHO.

There is no harm in being prepared should any future conflict arise in our area.

China and Indonesia have already voiced their disapproval...its provocative...we shall see wont we?...

what amuses me is the silence from the left and th greens in particular..on too front.. the fawning over Obama and the defence forces in Darwin..its remarkable how when the boots on the other foot there is no mudslinging.. or shouting in parliament..no cringing at the kissing arses this time round.. its all touchy feely..and mooning from gillard and cronies... or should that be phonies..and the beaming from booby was positively sickening.

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