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Reply #30 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:24pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

matty wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:16pm:

olde.sault wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 5:52am:

The IrRev. Bill Cruise had a fight on his hands last night on 2GB, he, all for gay being permitted to marry and most callers totally against this.

The objectors couldn't satisfactorily explain why they were anti so I'll do that for them.

As gays destroyed the word "gay" (no synonym quite covers its one-time meaning) so they'll trash the real meaning of "marriage".

No reason why they shouldn't be given rights to some ceremony but it'll have to have a different name.

Exactly right. Gay marriage is an abomnation unto the Lord, and makes a mockey of values, decency and overall mankind.

Are you saying that Allen, your hero, is an abomination?

Okay, I made one small typo, but you repeatedly fail to spell his name correctly. Why is that?

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Reply #31 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:29pm

... wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:18pm:

Gist wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:13pm:

... wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:02pm:

There, less than 1 minute thought, 2 problems solved. Oh and look, it's only 10am - Anyone else have any other 'insurmountable challenges' they need solving before lunchtime?

Well... you haven't addressed the equity issue.

No need to - it's the same situation as for defacto relationships.

OK, I'll pay that one. Roll Eyes

(that'll teach me for posting here in between doing other stuff)

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Reply #32 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:30pm

... wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:18pm:

Gist wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:13pm:

... wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:02pm:

There, less than 1 minute thought, 2 problems solved. Oh and look, it's only 10am - Anyone else have any other 'insurmountable challenges' they need solving before lunchtime?

Well... you haven't addressed the equity issue.

No need to - it's the same situation as for defacto relationships.

when it comes to wills... nothing not even gay relationships will stop anyone contesting them.. when it comes to greed they are all the same.. never heard of anyone contesting who will pay for the funeral have you?...

I would so love to know that my Will is and will be my last testament..the thought that someone can take it to court and a stranger can rearrange it all makes me fair sick it really does..its about time unless someone can prove a crime.. this sort of thing became very hard to do..

if a couple have lived together for years and years since when is it anyones business if they get their partners things.if you had been decent family I am sure you would have got a mention..

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Reply #33 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:30pm

matty wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:24pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

matty wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:16pm:

olde.sault wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 5:52am:

The IrRev. Bill Cruise had a fight on his hands last night on 2GB, he, all for gay being permitted to marry and most callers totally against this.

The objectors couldn't satisfactorily explain why they were anti so I'll do that for them.

As gays destroyed the word "gay" (no synonym quite covers its one-time meaning) so they'll trash the real meaning of "marriage".

No reason why they shouldn't be given rights to some ceremony but it'll have to have a different name.

Exactly right. Gay marriage is an abomnation unto the Lord, and makes a mockey of values, decency and overall mankind.

Are you saying that Allen, your hero, is an abomination?

Okay, I made one small typo, but you repeatedly fail to spell his name correctly. Why is that?

Stop answering questions with questions.

You had a complete thread about a grammatical error and yet you seem to not care about your own errors.

Are you saying that Allen, your hero, is an abomination? Yes or no, and explain.

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Reply #34 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:32pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:30pm:

matty wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:24pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

matty wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:16pm:

olde.sault wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 5:52am:

The IrRev. Bill Cruise had a fight on his hands last night on 2GB, he, all for gay being permitted to marry and most callers totally against this.

The objectors couldn't satisfactorily explain why they were anti so I'll do that for them.

As gays destroyed the word "gay" (no synonym quite covers its one-time meaning) so they'll trash the real meaning of "marriage".

No reason why they shouldn't be given rights to some ceremony but it'll have to have a different name.

Exactly right. Gay marriage is an abomnation unto the Lord, and makes a mockey of values, decency and overall mankind.

Are you saying that Allen, your hero, is an abomination?

Okay, I made one small typo, but you repeatedly fail to spell his name correctly. Why is that?

Stop answering questions with questions.

You had a complete thread about a grammatical error and yet you seem to not care about your own errors.

Are you saying that Allen, your hero, is an abomination? Yes or no, and explain.

There's a difference between a typo and a speaking error. I will answer your question, as long as you first tell me why you cannot spell his name correctly.

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Reply #35 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:38pm

matty wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:32pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:30pm:

matty wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:24pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

matty wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:16pm:

olde.sault wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 5:52am:

The IrRev. Bill Cruise had a fight on his hands last night on 2GB, he, all for gay being permitted to marry and most callers totally against this.

The objectors couldn't satisfactorily explain why they were anti so I'll do that for them.

As gays destroyed the word "gay" (no synonym quite covers its one-time meaning) so they'll trash the real meaning of "marriage".

No reason why they shouldn't be given rights to some ceremony but it'll have to have a different name.

Exactly right. Gay marriage is an abomnation unto the Lord, and makes a mockey of values, decency and overall mankind.

Are you saying that Allen, your hero, is an abomination?

Okay, I made one small typo, but you repeatedly fail to spell his name correctly. Why is that?

Stop answering questions with questions.

You had a complete thread about a grammatical error and yet you seem to not care about your own errors.

Are you saying that Allen, your hero, is an abomination? Yes or no, and explain.

There's a difference between a typo and a speaking error. I will answer your question, as long as you first tell me why you cannot spell his name correctly.

Dont waste your time,alevine, matty/mel/haim/log me in isn't sure what sock she's posting as let alone if she should admit Gloria should have the right to marry one of his boyfriends.

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Reply #36 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:41pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 11:34am:

... wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 11:27am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 11:25am:

... wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 11:22am:

so write a will.

Wesss!! My bigoted friend!!! I missed ya sooo much

The problem is not to do with death, but to do with status of ownership during living. So it's not about gay people writing wills.

But I don't expect someone of your bigoted status to appreciate this difference. Carry on

So what is the problem? Tell me, and I will offer a solution.

You've already tried and resulted in an epic fail. The problem is that under marriage, property, assets all come under joint ownership. Under defacto, they don't.

You are wrong. After six months, a de facto partner can claim
as much as a wife. Relatives can take the matter to court, of course, but that takes money.

In my initial post, I suggested that gays should be allowed a ceremony but of another name.

It has happened that after a gay tended his sick partner for years, he was kicked out of the house, empty handed, by the relatives of the deceased.

That should be corrected.

As for wills, they are constantly contested, and it's the lawyers who end up enriched.

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Reply #37 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 1:04pm

The reason why their is not equity pertaining to property is that with married couples they settlement is decided uniformly in a federal court, but with a defacto relationship the property settlement is decided according to state laws which vary from state to state.

Where it is that a couple is married and no will exists, probate usually finds in favour of the widow or widower. The same is not true in defacto cases.

Hetrosexual defacto couples can choose to marry. Homosexual defacto couples cannot.

This is not a religious argument. No one is talking about a gay couples right to marry in a church. This is about the Marriage Certificate which is issued by the state.

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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Gays and marriage Reply #39 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 1:21pm Let them get married, who cares. Just don’t expect/force everyone to agree with you that sticking your willy up some other blokes dirty blurter is a good thing....
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Reply #40 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 1:29pm

matty wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:16pm:

olde.sault wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 5:52am:

The IrRev. Bill Cruise had a fight on his hands last night on 2GB, he, all for gay being permitted to marry and most callers totally against this.

The objectors couldn't satisfactorily explain why they were anti so I'll do that for them.

As gays destroyed the word "gay" (no synonym quite covers its one-time meaning) so they'll trash the real meaning of "marriage".

No reason why they shouldn't be given rights to some ceremony but it'll have to have a different name.

Exactly right. Gay marriage is an abomination unto the Lord, and makes a mockey of values, decency and overall mankind.

So, matty.....does this mean EVERY marriage that takes place out side of Abrahamic religions is an abomination??
And what about the marriages that took place before the Abrahamic religions started up, were they all 'abominations' too????

Marriage is a social construct, that has been co-opted by the various religions.....simply for control purposes.

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Reply #41 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 1:53pm

matty wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:32pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:30pm:

matty wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:24pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

matty wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 12:16pm:

olde.sault wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 5:52am:

The IrRev. Bill Cruise had a fight on his hands last night on 2GB, he, all for gay being permitted to marry and most callers totally against this.

The objectors couldn't satisfactorily explain why they were anti so I'll do that for them.

As gays destroyed the word "gay" (no synonym quite covers its one-time meaning) so they'll trash the real meaning of "marriage".

No reason why they shouldn't be given rights to some ceremony but it'll have to have a different name.

Exactly right. Gay marriage is an abomnation unto the Lord, and makes a mockey of values, decency and overall mankind.

Are you saying that Allen, your hero, is an abomination?

Okay, I made one small typo, but you repeatedly fail to spell his name correctly. Why is that?

Stop answering questions with questions.

You had a complete thread about a grammatical error and yet you seem to not care about your own errors.

Are you saying that Allen, your hero, is an abomination? Yes or no, and explain.

There's a difference between a typo and a speaking error. I will answer your question, as long as you first tell me why you cannot spell his name correctly.

Just answer the question and stop avoiding. Especially if you wish to be taken seriously and not as a 12 year old who argues with parents and creates ultimatums to avoid eating your peas. Are you saying that Allen, your hero, is an abomination? YES or NO and EXPLAIN.

Thanks.

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Reply #42 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 1:54pm

FriYAY wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

Let them get married, who cares.

Just don’t expect/force everyone to agree with you that sticking your willy up some other blokes dirty blurter is a good thing.... Undecided

I don't think they are seeking you to agree. Gay people just wish to have the same rights as heterosexuals and to be left alone to go about their normal daily lives without discrimination by our own government and laws.

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Reply #43 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 1:57pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 1:54pm:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

Let them get married, who cares.

Just don’t expect/force everyone to agree with you that sticking your willy up some other blokes dirty blurter is a good thing.... Undecided

I don't think they are seeking you to agree. Gay people just wish to have the same rights as heterosexuals and to be left alone to go about their normal daily lives without discrimination by our own government and laws.

You are confsuing "rights" with "privileges". There is no right to get married, it is a privilege, reserved for those who meet the criteria.

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Reply #44 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 1:58pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 1:54pm:

FriYAY wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

Let them get married, who cares.

Just don’t expect/force everyone to agree with you that sticking your willy up some other blokes dirty blurter is a good thing.... Undecided

I don't think they are seeking you to agree. Gay people just wish to have the same rights as heterosexuals and to be left alone to go about their normal daily lives without discrimination by our own government and laws.

Fair enough, so long as people that don't agree with their life style are free from being labelled.

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