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Free Trade - just another Gillard dream scheme
Nov 14th, 2011 at 5:18pm
 
Nationals Senator Barnaby Joyce today warned that the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement being trumpeted by galah-brained Gillard as some weird sort of dream scheme is unlikely to ever happen as free trade deals rarely live up to the dream time discussions.

A lively discussion has emerged between the federal Coalition parties on the merits of a new Asia-Pacific free trade pact, with the Nationals declaring Australian farmers are unlikely to be among the winners from the deal.

Nationals Senator Barnaby Joyce today ridiculed the announcement of the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, saying the reality of free trade deals rarely matched the rhetoric.

As opposition trade spokeswoman Julie Bishop welcomed the push for the new multi-lateral trade deal, Senator Joyce said agriculture was inevitably cared out from such agreements.

"Of course, if you have genuine free trade agreement - and there are very few such species - then obviously its beneficial for farmers,'' he said.

"But what you usually end up with though is a free trade agreement which, surprise, surprise, has exclusions on agriculture.''

Senator Joyce questioned the ability of US President Barack Obama to deliver a deal that benefited Australian farmers at the expense of his own.

"I don't think Barack Obama is going to be telling the mid-west he's going to hurt trade,'' he said.

Agreement has been reached on the broad details of the nine-nation agreement at the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation leaders' summit in Honolulu.

Ms Bishop said the growing momentum behind the deal was encouraging.

"Given the lack of progress in negotiating a multilateral agreement through the Doha Round, it is vital that nations continue to look for opportunities to bolster international trade,'' she said.

"Australia is an export-orientated nation; our economy depends on our ability to access markets in our region and elsewhere.''

Prime Minister Julia Gillard said negotiations on the deal would not be allowed to falter over domestic concerns in Japan over its agricultural sector.

"There is a very clear understanding amongst Trans-Pacific Partnership leaders that we will be having the talks and the talks will be progressing so they will not wait to see whether or not Japan moves to the stage of saying 'yes, absolutely, we want to be in the Trans-Pacific Partnership','' Ms Gillard told the ABC.

Trade Minister Craig Emerson said he was confident the deal would come to fruition.

"There's unprecedented political momentum behind the Trans-Pacific Partnership,'' he said.

The nine world leaders hope to reach an agreement in 2012.

Mr Emerson accused the National Party of betraying farmers by questioning the trans-Pacific partnership trade deal, a position at odds with the Liberal Party.

Nationals leader Warren Truss and Senate leader Barnaby Joyce described the trade partnership as a “thought bubble that will go nowhere”.

“Barnaby Joyce's economic Hansonism is influencing Tony Abbott's policy positions much more than pro-market Liberals such as his Deputy, Julie Bishop, and pro-market Liberal backbenchers,’’ Dr Emerson said.

He said while the National Farmers Federation had backed the trade deal, "in contrast, the Nationals are embracing a Fortress Australia mentality as they deride the great strides taken in securing commitment to the TPP from Asia-Pacific nations”.

Federation presdent Jock Laurie said farmers were fatigued by years of free trade promises that had not been delivered.

“The NFF is committed to working with the Australian Government to conclude the TPP next year and will be ensuring that agriculture retains its place as a core pillar of the negotiations,’’ he said.

“Japan’s intention to join the TPP is also a positive sign that it is prepared to stand up to domestic opposition to trade reform and wants to embrace a more open trading environment in the knowledge that it is good for their economy, their consumers, and their domestic industry – including agriculture.”

Mr Laurie also welcomed Russia’s agreement to a package of trade reforms late last week that will help pave the way to WTO-entry.

“Russian accession to the WTO has significant positive implications for Australian agriculture, for which Russia has been a major market for commodities including beef, sheep and lamb skins, dairy and live cattle," he said.

 
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Steve jones of NSW Posted at 3:34 PM Today

Barnaby has little concept whats required to pull off this sort of trade pact and his comments show what little ability he has. Silly fella thinks that if he wears an akubra that he can speak for the people from the bush. Stick to ya one liners Barnaby.


rOB of NSW Posted at 3:13 PM Today

"Free" trade usually means two things, (it is a double edged sword), removing trade barriers for our exports (good) but also removing those for import into Australia (bad). With the current high Aussie dollar (good overseas buying power) and relatively higher labour costs than most of Asia, it will mean a flood of cheap imports which our local manufacturers, farmers etc. will not be able to compete against forcing them to lower costs to be competitive (shed labour) and/or go out of business with even more job losses.
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Reply #1 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 8:35pm
 
So Katter is now against trade liberalisation?

Not a good look for the coalition is it?
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Reply #2 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 8:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Nov 14th, 2011 at 8:35pm:
So Katter is now against trade liberalisation?

Not a good look for the coalition is it?


Since when has Katter been in the Coalition?
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Reply #3 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 9:04pm
 
Oops, he left in 2001. He fits the Nationals stereotype so well I keep forgetting.
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Reply #4 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 8:51am
 
Mind you, he did opt to support them after the last election didn't he? So FD is correct... in a sense...  Smiley
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Seems to me  Barnaby Joyce is losing interest  in his OWN parties performance, and beliefs ;



It’s very first principle was: No coal-seam gas development should proceed where it poses a significant impact to the quality of groundwater or surface water systems. It must be absolutely clear that no coal-seam gas development should occur unless it is proven safe for the environment.

“Seventy-two hours later, the Nationals’ core principle, word for word, was put to the Senate and was voted down by the Liberal Party and the Labor Party.

“Worse still, the five National Party senators failed to show".


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Reply #6 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 9:16am
 
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Seems to me  Barnaby Joyce is losing interest  in his OWN parties performance, and beliefs ;



It’s very first principle was: No coal-seam gas development should proceed where it poses a significant impact to the quality of groundwater or surface water systems. It must be absolutely clear that no coal-seam gas development should occur unless it is proven safe for the environment.

“Seventy-two hours later, the Nationals’ core principle, word for word, was put to the Senate and was voted down by the Liberal Party and the Labor Party.

“Worse still, the five National Party senators failed to show".


http://coalseamgasnews.org/?p=3128


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Reply #7 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 9:29am
 
LOL, I can just see part of Obama’s 2012 election strategy will be telling farmers they are losing their subsidies to help create a fairer playing field.
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Reply #8 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 9:31am
 
Gist wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 8:51am:
Mind you, he did opt to support them after the last election didn't he? So FD is correct... in a sense...  Smiley




did he have a gun to his head like Wilkie and booby have with gillards deal?
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Reply #9 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 9:36am
 
FriYAY wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 9:29am:
LOL, I can just see part of Obama’s 2012 election strategy will be telling farmers they are losing their subsidies to help create a fairer playing field.




it wont happen.. thats like telling them he is taking their guns off them.

I am over all the words spouted at these forums isnt anyoine else.??? they all sound so pleased with themselves as if they have found a cure for cancer..

as it is its more of the same.. we have heard it all before under a different title of course.. they do like their new titles dont they?.

I guess if anyone need comfort its this very bunch that are at APEC.. all very dodgy and by the look of things ignoring whats happening in Europe..

meeting and talking.. its solves everything doesnt it???

forgetting the photo ops...so important.. give gillard her due we dont see as many as we did with rudd.

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Reply #10 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 9:55am
 
cods wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 9:36am:
FriYAY wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 9:29am:
LOL, I can just see part of Obama’s 2012 election strategy will be telling farmers they are losing their subsidies to help create a fairer playing field.




it wont happen.. thats like telling them he is taking their guns off them.

I am over all the words spouted at these forums isnt anyoine else.??? they all sound so pleased with themselves as if they have found a cure for cancer..

as it is its more of the same.. we have heard it all before under a different title of course.. they do like their new titles dont they?.

I guess if anyone need comfort its this very bunch that are at APEC.. all very dodgy and by the look of things ignoring whats happening in Europe..

meeting and talking.. its solves everything doesnt it???

forgetting the photo ops...so important.. give gillard her due we dont see as many as we did with rudd.



Only yours.
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Reply #11 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 10:04am
 
Gist wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 9:55am:
cods wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 9:36am:
FriYAY wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 9:29am:
LOL, I can just see part of Obama’s 2012 election strategy will be telling farmers they are losing their subsidies to help create a fairer playing field.




it wont happen.. thats like telling them he is taking their guns off them.

I am over all the words spouted at these forums isnt anyoine else.??? they all sound so pleased with themselves as if they have found a cure for cancer..

as it is its more of the same.. we have heard it all before under a different title of course.. they do like their new titles dont they?.

I guess if anyone need comfort its this very bunch that are at APEC.. all very dodgy and by the look of things ignoring whats happening in Europe..

meeting and talking.. its solves everything doesnt it???

forgetting the photo ops...so important.. give gillard her due we dont see as many as we did with rudd.



Only yours.




thats cool gist dont read them  easypeasy...I dont have a promblem with you not reading me or even answering me... but why you have to sneer I dont know.. its a shame..I would no more write a reply like that than spit in the wind..

got to be something seriously wrong with you lefties.. alway withe the sneering comments// even when something isnt directed at you...

all you have toi do gist is say please cods do not reply to my posts.. concider it done.. that way my comments shouldnt bother you

and you can save you sneering for something really worth sneering about.
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Reply #12 - Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:40am
 
cods wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 9:36am:
FriYAY wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 9:29am:
LOL, I can just see part of Obama’s 2012 election strategy will be telling farmers they are losing their subsidies to help create a fairer playing field.




it wont happen.. thats like telling them he is taking their guns off them.

I am over all the words spouted at these forums isnt anyoine else.??? they all sound so pleased with themselves as if they have found a cure for cancer..

as it is its more of the same.. we have heard it all before under a different title of course.. they do like their new titles dont they?.

I guess if anyone need comfort its this very bunch that are at APEC.. all very dodgy and by the look of things ignoring whats happening in Europe..

meeting and talking.. its solves everything doesnt it???

forgetting the photo ops...so important.. give gillard her due we dont see as many as we did with rudd.



But Gillard's are more fruitful, she kisses Obama!
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Reply #13 - Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:28am
 

I see a continuity here.

"if gillard fixes a tax on the air, the rest of the world will too."
"If gillard allows other countries free access to our markets, the rest of the world will follow suit."

NOT
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