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Reply #45 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 4:52pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 4:23pm:

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Hey! stop picking on the 1%

The only jobs the Aussies will get is burying the world's nuclear waste or will they get the 457 visa people to do that job too.

The US Corporate Mafia is flogging Uranium to India so according to JuLIAR it makes sense we do too -sure thats brilliant logic. Did we end apartheid in South Africa by doing what the USA did? Australia took a stand on Uranium mining - we took our own stand for our own reasons and decided not to follow the USA but to work towards Nuclear disarmament and non proliferation. The reasons we did it are as relevant today as they ever were.

JuLiar applies exactly the opposite reason to Uranium mining that she did for the Carbon Tax - she was prepared to go it alone on the Carbon Tax in the conviction she was right but does not have the moral courage to honor Australias opposition to Uranium mining - because she thinks it makes no sense to take a stand on it when others do the opposite. Well what about the Carbon Tax then - did that make sense? JuLIAR Gillard is a person without principle,, a shallow, superficial, political opportunist who stands for nothing of merit.

JuLIAR is abandoning Australias commitment for nuclear non proliferation for profit and that should not be lost on all p;eople with a social conscience. JuLIAR is a sell out, a fake and a corporate hireling.

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Reply #46 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 4:53pm

Well I share a lot of values with the Greens and am a big advocate for conserving nature and protecting the environment (and the carbon tax) and I am all for nuclear energy.

It's clean and safe (when done properly) and I dont think we can reject it with the state of the world today with regards to climate change (which IS real).

And this is from someone who lives a couple of hundred kilometres from the Fukushima power plant.

As long as safeguards are met , why not sell it to India?

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Reply #47 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 4:59pm

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 4:53pm:

Well I share a lot of values with the Greens and am a big advocate for conserving nature and protecting the environment (and the carbon tax) and I am all for nuclear energy.

It's clean and safe (when done properly) and I dont think we can reject it with the state of the world today with regards to climate change (which IS real).

And this is from someone who lives a couple of hundred kilometres from the Fukushima power plant.

As long as safeguards are met , why not sell it to India?

Better though to keep it and use it ourselves instead...

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Reply #48 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 4:59pm

The environmental consultancy I am part owner of does quite a bit of work for uranium miners in South Aust..I see no problem because I have always disclosed this on here and when I was on Yahoo.
I also spend time working in my field at Olympic Dam, Beverly and Prominent Hill so I have experience with these mines and the people that work there.
I see no problems with my professional and personal views as long as I declare them.

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Lets sell uranium to India Reply #49 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 5:00pm Nuclear waste is filthy, its unsafe, its unstable and it cannot be safely disposed of anywhere.
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Reply #50 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 5:13pm

Aren't we fortunate we have organized corporate crime so active directing the good ship Australia and problem solving moral issues that once concerned us with sound bites and controlled media spin.

Dont let them use the bias against India argument - Uranium, mining is morally wrong, nuclear waste and nuclear Arms proliferation IS STILL A CRITICAL ISSUE TO FIGHT FOR.

If we upset India - tough - ban uranium mining full stop. This is a no brainier, the Mafia wants to flog Uranium mining for its own greed. They will flog it, keep the profits and still make us pay for the clean up.

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Lets sell uranium to India Reply #51 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:10pm corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 5:00pm: Nuclear waste is filthy, its unsafe, its unstable and it cannot be safely disposed of anywhere. And it can now also be reprocessed and the amount left (after reprocessing) greatly reduced
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Reply #52 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:41pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:10pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 5:00pm:

Nuclear waste is filthy, its unsafe, its unstable and it cannot be safely disposed of anywhere.

And it can now also be reprocessed and the amount left (after reprocessing) greatly reduced

No doubt you agree the profits and the costs will be shared equally by all Australians of course - you wouldn't argue for corporate greed, privatizing the profits and socializing the clean up and disposal; costs typical to corrupt organized corporate mafia form now would you?

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Reply #53 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:50pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:41pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:10pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 5:00pm:

Nuclear waste is filthy, its unsafe, its unstable and it cannot be safely disposed of anywhere.

And it can now also be reprocessed and the amount left (after reprocessing) greatly reduced

No doubt you agree the profits and the costs will be shared equally by all Australians of course - you wouldn't argue for corporate greed, privatizing the profits and socializing the clean up and disposal; costs typical to corrupt organized corporate mafia form now would you?

Oh good heavens no....Of course we should all share equally from the benefits...

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Lets sell uranium to India Reply #54 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 9:56pm Uranium is simply far too deadly to process and mess with, if we are to have any environmental credibility we cannot mine Uranium, when the science is so clear about the critical hazards to our children and the environment.
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Re: Lets sell uranium to India
Reply #55 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:21am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 10:32am:

... wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 10:14am:

why not sell uranium to Inja?

india have not signed a treaty sayng they will not make nuclear weapons

I fail to see how that matters in this situation; whether they have signed the treaty or not, if we refuse them Uranium on that basis, they will continue to make Nuclear weapons in spite of us. Nothing is achieved.

All we can do is make sure that OUR Uranium is not used to make said weapons. If they want to put Russian Uranium in their Nukes, they can wear that responsibility.

No matter what side of the Nuclear debate you are on, this will be an unnecassarily wasted opportunity if we tell the Indians to bugger off. Here is a Centre/Left person telling you all to assess the reality and realize that this situation cannot be helped by Australia. We can but merely profit from it.

Who knows, the money we make from the sale to India might one day help us get through a localised Nuclear War between Pakistan and India.

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Reply #56 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:39am

Uranium mining kills, its as deadly as asbestos, thats just or starters, now they want their business shareholders to profit from India and Pakistans mutual goal to self destruct in a possible Nuclear conflict. Uranium mining means more Nuclear bombs and reactors, it means more Japan style disasters, it means more radio active waste and it threatens our food and water supply with Contamination. If we cant save ourselves from greed and corruption who can?

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Reply #57 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:54am

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:39am:

Uranium mining kills, its as deadly as asbestos, thats just or starters, now they want their business shareholders to profit from India and Pakistans mutual goal to self destruct in a possible Nuclear conflict. Uranium mining means more Nuclear bombs and reactors, it means more Japan style disasters, it means more radio active waste and it threatens our food and water supply with Contamination. If we cant save ourselves from greed and corruption who can?

I'm with you. It's unnecessary. The more money we make, the more we waste, what's the point? I can't see the people of Australia benefiting from it. I imagine it will do more harm than good in the long run.

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Reply #58 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:58am

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If we cant save ourselves from greed and corruption who can?

I don't think that we can save ourselves there.
We might sell now or we may sell later, but sell we will. The only difference being that the latter will make us a larger (relative) profit, unless some unlikely new energy source appears from nowhere.

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Re: Lets sell uranium to India
Reply #59 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:04am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:54am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:39am:

Uranium mining kills, its as deadly as asbestos, thats just or starters, now they want their business shareholders to profit from India and Pakistans mutual goal to self destruct in a possible Nuclear conflict. Uranium mining means more Nuclear bombs and reactors, it means more Japan style disasters, it means more radio active waste and it threatens our food and water supply with Contamination. If we cant save ourselves from greed and corruption who can?

I'm with you. It's unnecessary. The more money we make, the more we waste, what's the point? I can't see the people of Australia benefiting from it. I imagine it will do more harm than good in the long run.

It's a very flawed argument, pansi. We're being selective for the sake of being selective. We sell Uranium to China by the megatonnes and they could nuke the sh** out of Japan at any given time. We overlook the fact that old wounds from WWII still fester.

Their hatred for each other is VERY comparable to India and Pakistan.

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