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Reply #60 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:20am

GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:04am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:54am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:39am:

Uranium mining kills, its as deadly as asbestos, thats just or starters, now they want their business shareholders to profit from India and Pakistans mutual goal to self destruct in a possible Nuclear conflict. Uranium mining means more Nuclear bombs and reactors, it means more Japan style disasters, it means more radio active waste and it threatens our food and water supply with Contamination. If we cant save ourselves from greed and corruption who can?

I'm with you. It's unnecessary. The more money we make, the more we waste, what's the point? I can't see the people of Australia benefiting from it. I imagine it will do more harm than good in the long run.

It's a very flawed argument, pansi. We're being selective for the sake of being selective. We sell Uranium to China by the megatonnes and they could nuke the sh** out of Japan at any given time. We overlook the fact that old wounds from WWII still fester.

Their hatred for each other is VERY comparable to India and Pakistan.

Never mind that China regularly tests US and Japanese resolve militarily on the one hand... And is almost limp-wristed in its dealings with its psychopathic hermit-state neighbour on the other.

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Reply #61 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:24am

GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:04am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:54am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:39am:

Uranium mining kills, its as deadly as asbestos, thats just or starters, now they want their business shareholders to profit from India and Pakistans mutual goal to self destruct in a possible Nuclear conflict. Uranium mining means more Nuclear bombs and reactors, it means more Japan style disasters, it means more radio active waste and it threatens our food and water supply with Contamination. If we cant save ourselves from greed and corruption who can?

I'm with you. It's unnecessary. The more money we make, the more we waste, what's the point? I can't see the people of Australia benefiting from it. I imagine it will do more harm than good in the long run.

It's a very flawed argument, pansi. We're being selective for the sake of being selective. We sell Uranium to China by the megatonnes and they could nuke the sh** out of Japan at any given time. We overlook the fact that old wounds from WWII still fester.

Their hatred for each other is VERY comparable to India and Pakistan.

My argument doesn't have a great deal to do with who we sell uranium to, rather that we mine it at all. I would prefer that we leave it under ground, but you can't argue with progress, if you call making nuclear weapons to eventually blow the sh1te out of each other progress.

Is that as far as we've come in all these years? a bit of a shame!

Anyway, we should concentrate on the big picture, on what really matters, the life blood .....$$$$$$$$$

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Reply #62 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:29am

What will happen to the uranium: 10 years, 20 years 50 years 100 years from now?
It will still be around & much of it will be turned into plutonium.
We can't guarantee that India won't use it for weapons.
We will be contributing to a nuclear arms race in South East Asia.

Not only that - it frees up India to divert more of their other reactors
for military nuclear arms purposes.
Once again - a very short sighted approach form Juliar.
Labor is full of all these great ideas which don't work e.g
BER, pink batts.

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Reply #63 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:31am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:24am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:04am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:54am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:39am:

Uranium mining kills, its as deadly as asbestos, thats just or starters, now they want their business shareholders to profit from India and Pakistans mutual goal to self destruct in a possible Nuclear conflict. Uranium mining means more Nuclear bombs and reactors, it means more Japan style disasters, it means more radio active waste and it threatens our food and water supply with Contamination. If we cant save ourselves from greed and corruption who can?

I'm with you. It's unnecessary. The more money we make, the more we waste, what's the point? I can't see the people of Australia benefiting from it. I imagine it will do more harm than good in the long run.

It's a very flawed argument, pansi. We're being selective for the sake of being selective. We sell Uranium to China by the megatonnes and they could nuke the sh** out of Japan at any given time. We overlook the fact that old wounds from WWII still fester.

Their hatred for each other is VERY comparable to India and Pakistan.

My argument doesn't have a great deal to do with who we sell uranium to, rather that we mine it at all. I would prefer that we leave it under ground, but you can't argue with progress, if you call making nuclear weapons to eventually blow the sh1te out of each other progress.

Is that as far as we've come in all these years? a bit of a shame!

Anyway, we should concentrate on the big picture, on what really matters, the life blood .....$$$$$$$$$

It's too utopian to (a) imagine an Australian government of any colour would leave a potential multi billion dollar resource untapped and (b) that other nations would not demand we dig it up and sell it.... Our economic overlords would have no other... Hell, they'd even supply the shovels.

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GoddyofOz Gold Member Offline Vote 1 for Sex, cause you're gay if you don't Posts: 2397	Re: Lets sell uranium to India Reply #64 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:38am The very fact that Uranium is able to be manipulated into such a destructive force is a reality to take up with Mother Nature, anyway. The Green movement can decry it all they like, but humanity did not create the periodic table, the Earth did.
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Reply #65 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:21am

Maqqa wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 6:23am:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/11658825/pm-pushing-for-uranium-sales-to-ind...

Prime Minister Julia Gillard is urging her party to reverse its policy and allow uranium exports to India.

Calling for a policy change that is likely to be adopted, Ms Gillard said it's time for Labor to broaden its platform and "strengthen our connection with dynamic, democratic India".

Ms Gillard said uranium sent to India would have to be accompanied by guarantees it not be used for weapons.

"We must, of course, expect of India the same standards we do of all countries for uranium export - strict adherence to International Atomic Energy Agency arrangements and strong bilateral and transparency measures which will provide assurances our uranium will be used only for peaceful purposes," she told Fairfax.

For years the opposition has been calling on Labor to change its policy so Australia can tap into the lucrative and expanding Indian market and the Indians have also been pressuring the government.

From the news this morning, I learnt that we are exporting uranium to many Asian countries and to Europe so, if India also signs the International Atomic Energy Agency, we may as well trade.

We need the money; let's remember how the present government has indebted us.

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Re: Lets sell uranium to India
Reply #66 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:48am

olde.sault wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:21am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 6:23am:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/11658825/pm-pushing-for-uranium-sales-to-ind...

Prime Minister Julia Gillard is urging her party to reverse its policy and allow uranium exports to India.

Calling for a policy change that is likely to be adopted, Ms Gillard said it's time for Labor to broaden its platform and "strengthen our connection with dynamic, democratic India".

Ms Gillard said uranium sent to India would have to be accompanied by guarantees it not be used for weapons.

"We must, of course, expect of India the same standards we do of all countries for uranium export - strict adherence to International Atomic Energy Agency arrangements and strong bilateral and transparency measures which will provide assurances our uranium will be used only for peaceful purposes," she told Fairfax.

For years the opposition has been calling on Labor to change its policy so Australia can tap into the lucrative and expanding Indian market and the Indians have also been pressuring the government.

From the news this morning, I learnt that we are exporting uranium to many Asian countries and to Europe so, if India also signs the International Atomic Energy Agency, we may as well trade.

We need the money; let's remember how the present government has indebted us.

not the point saulty Howard had a deal to sell it to India.. the Labs reniged it.. they dont believe in selling it or us using it. that simple they have always been anti. UNTILL NOW THAT IS....ho hum more backflips than poor old flipper.

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Reply #67 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:17am

olde.sault wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:21am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 6:23am:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/11658825/pm-pushing-for-uranium-sales-to-ind...

Prime Minister Julia Gillard is urging her party to reverse its policy and allow uranium exports to India.

Calling for a policy change that is likely to be adopted, Ms Gillard said it's time for Labor to broaden its platform and "strengthen our connection with dynamic, democratic India".

Ms Gillard said uranium sent to India would have to be accompanied by guarantees it not be used for weapons.

"We must, of course, expect of India the same standards we do of all countries for uranium export - strict adherence to International Atomic Energy Agency arrangements and strong bilateral and transparency measures which will provide assurances our uranium will be used only for peaceful purposes," she told Fairfax.

For years the opposition has been calling on Labor to change its policy so Australia can tap into the lucrative and expanding Indian market and the Indians have also been pressuring the government.

From the news this morning, I learnt that we are exporting uranium to many Asian countries and to Europe so, if India also signs the International Atomic Energy Agency, we may as well trade.

We need the money; let's remember how the present government has indebted us.

The Greens are in a bit of a pickle.
They want to get rid of Uranium mining, they also want to eventually get rid of Coal mining yet they still want the government to maintain the comfortable welfare state we have today.
The reality is that without these vital exports, this government could not maintain the current level of spending to run the country effectively, and unless something else can be exported that can attract a similar level of dollar value, things wont change no matter what the rhetoric at the time.
Money talks.

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Reply #68 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:31am

GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:38am:

The very fact that Uranium is able to be manipulated into such a destructive force is a reality to take up with Mother Nature, anyway. The Green movement can decry it all they like, but humanity did not create the periodic table, the Earth did.

If this was such a concern then why sell at all?

But we are selling it

Labor stuffed up in 2007

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Reply #69 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:33am

skippy. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 2:38pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 2:09pm:

Does anyone know when this ban was implemented?

2007 or 2008?

2008,Rudd did it. Unlike Howard he has some principles, unfortunately Gillard seems to have caved in to the dark side and lost her principles too.

and look where Rudd is now

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Reply #70 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:04am

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:33am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 2:38pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 2:09pm:

Does anyone know when this ban was implemented?

2007 or 2008?

2008,Rudd did it. Unlike Howard he has some principles, unfortunately Gillard seems to have caved in to the dark side and lost her principles too.

and look where Rudd is now

Yea Rudd is still in gov, Howard on the other hand got his ass thrown out of gov and his seat. Grin

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Reply #72 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:48pm

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:31pm:

This nuclear insanity will only benefit the rich - the international organized corporate mafia will suspend democracy and get some smart 'rse technocrat economist to stick us with the economic and clean up blll after have raped robbed Australia. just say no to nukes and no to corporate greed and corruption every time.

People are trying to say NO! to corporate greed and corruption, but they get arrested.

The peasants will be squished underfoot. How dare people speak out about the government in a democracy. They should know better.

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Reply #73 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 1:00pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:48pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:31pm:

This nuclear insanity will only benefit the rich - the international organized corporate mafia will suspend democracy and get some smart 'rse technocrat economist to stick us with the economic and clean up blll after have raped robbed Australia. just say no to nukes and no to corporate greed and corruption every time.

People are trying to say NO! to corporate greed and corruption, but they get arrested.

The peasants will be squished underfoot. How dare people speak out about the government in a democracy. They should know better.

Then we need to be better organised and proactive to out flank corporate greed politically and legally. We need to up the anti strategically.

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Reply #74 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 1:11pm

olde.sault wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:21am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 6:23am:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/11658825/pm-pushing-for-uranium-sales-to-ind...

Prime Minister Julia Gillard is urging her party to reverse its policy and allow uranium exports to India.

Calling for a policy change that is likely to be adopted, Ms Gillard said it's time for Labor to broaden its platform and "strengthen our connection with dynamic, democratic India".

Ms Gillard said uranium sent to India would have to be accompanied by guarantees it not be used for weapons.

"We must, of course, expect of India the same standards we do of all countries for uranium export - strict adherence to International Atomic Energy Agency arrangements and strong bilateral and transparency measures which will provide assurances our uranium will be used only for peaceful purposes," she told Fairfax.

For years the opposition has been calling on Labor to change its policy so Australia can tap into the lucrative and expanding Indian market and the Indians have also been pressuring the government.

From the news this morning, I learnt that we are exporting uranium to many Asian countries and to Europe so, if India also signs the International Atomic Energy Agency, we may as well trade.

We need the money; let's remember how the present government has indebted us.

The only reason we're not selling to India is because they have not signed the treaty, its not because we dont like their food you know. Roll Eyes

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