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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Power cut-off from the poor Reply #60 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:25pm He's got 22 190 watt panels. up there would be as good/better than here for solar,chook, you should check it out. 12 panels would be about the same as my system,about 2kw or so, tho mine is an old system when the panels were only 80 watters, so I've got 24 panels on my roof and shed.
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Reply #61 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:28pm

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:01pm:

I would have thought his system was pretty average now, most of the adds I see are for 3 or 4 KW systems. I saw an add last week for a 3 KW system for 5 grand after rebates.

I wish I could get that sort of system too.....But apart from not having the cash, I don't even know if you're allowed to put them on public housing properties....

I actually wonder if it'd be cheaper and faster for the government just to subsidise the 'stand alone' panel and battery systems on interest free loans...instead of the Carbon Pricing thing????
It'd cut down on coal power generation much faster, wouldn't it??

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Reply #62 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:28pm

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:04pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:43am:

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the so called renewable will be no different

They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years.
My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money.

Same here.

In fact, I would go so far as to say the electricity charges have become a "tax for the economically inept".

If you are still paying for electricity after all these years of schemes to avoid or reduce it, you are a dill and deserve all you get.

some of us cannot afford the cost up front?..as for me I live alone.

how long do you think they can keep passing on the solar charges to those who cannot afford solar power??..

the NSW govt has admitted they made a huge mistake with their rebate.. now someone has to pay.. and it looks like it will be those that can ill afford to do so.... we have been told someone was paying in the region of $1600 pa..and now he is paying zero....

well someone else will be picking up that cost because the power companies are not going to be happy losing that amount of money week in week out..and so far I havent heard off mass unemployment in electricity workers.so someone has to pay them

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Reply #63 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:31pm

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:28pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:04pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:43am:

cods wrote- Quote:

the so called renewable will be no different

They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years.
My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money.

Same here.

In fact, I would go so far as to say the electricity charges have become a "tax for the economically inept".

If you are still paying for electricity after all these years of schemes to avoid or reduce it, you are a dill and deserve all you get.

some of us cannot afford the cost up front?..as for me I live alone.

how long do you think they can keep passing on the solar charges to those who cannot afford solar power??..

the NSW govt has admitted they made a huge mistake with their rebate.. now someone has to pay.. and it looks like it will be those that can ill afford to do so.... we have been told someone was paying in the region of $1600 pa..and now he is paying zero....

well someone else will be picking up that cost because the power companies are not going to be happy losing that amount of money week in week out..and so far I havent heard off mass unemployment in electricity workers.so someone has to pay them

They're doing fine out of it - the standard system cannot store power, so whatever you are not using at time of generation feeds back into the grid. In WA the power company pays the princely sum of 7c per kw fed in this way...and then sell it back to the consumer for 3 times as much - possibly more, as its classed as 'green' power.

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Reply #64 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:37pm

how long do you think they can keep passing on the solar charges to those who cannot afford solar power??..

Why dont you ask the same question about health? how long can they keep passing on the charges of rebates for private health funds onto those that cannot afford it?? this is a much bigger bill than solar so I would expect you'd be up in arms over it,yes?

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Reply #65 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:39pm

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

Yep, I was gonna get a bigger system as I had a electric hot water system, but worked out that it'd be better value to spend the same amount of coin on solar hot water and a smaller system, as they reckon 1/4 - 1/3 of your power use is from hot water. Still got an electric oven though....

Yea you should ditch the electric oven, I only use about one 45 kg gas bottle a year, I think the last one cost about 115 bucks.

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Reply #66 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:54pm

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:39pm:

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

Yep, I was gonna get a bigger system as I had a electric hot water system, but worked out that it'd be better value to spend the same amount of coin on solar hot water and a smaller system, as they reckon 1/4 - 1/3 of your power use is from hot water. Still got an electric oven though....

Yea you should ditch the electric oven, I only use about one 45 kg gas bottle a year, I think the last one cost about 115 bucks.

Actually just got a new oven yesterday as the old one pood itself. I considered getting a gas one instead but the missus was suffering withdrawal and didn't want to wait for gas to be connected.

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Reply #67 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:57pm

Solution Options, Note the reason discribed for increases;

How would you feel if you opened your energy bill and there was a smiley face next to your usage? Or you found yourself being compared to your neighbour? Would this influence you to use less energy?

The way our energy bills look are about to change in subtle, but important ways, with an American company Opower, about to start work in Australia with a major energy retailer.

Communicating to customers through SMS and energy bills, Opower – which describes itself as a “new customer engagement platform for the utility industry”– uses psychology and persuasion techniques to influence customers to reduce their energy consumption.

Consumers will no doubt have already noticed the steady increase in the size of their bills, due mostly to the cost of infrastructure to cater for peak demand.

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The best wind farms in the world are already competitive with coal, gas and nuclear plants. But over the next five years, continued performance improvements and cost reductions will bring the average onshore wind plant in line with cheap natural gas, even without a price on carbon, according analysi...

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Reply #68 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 1:31pm

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

He's got 22 190 watt panels. up there would be as good/better than here for solar,chook, you should check it out. 12 panels would be about the same as my system,about 2kw or so, tho mine is an old system when the panels were only 80 watters, so I've got 24 panels on my roof and shed.

Thanks skip.

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Power cut-off from the poor Reply #69 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:15pm ########<<The best wind farms in the world are already competitive with coal, gas and nuclear plants. >> ............................................................................. At the speed things are moving it will only be a matter of a decade, two at most until we are pretty well non-reliant on coal and oil.
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Reply #70 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:41pm

olde.sault wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:33am:

Yes, thank you, B-Labor and foul-smellin' Greens!

If not electricity being cut off, tardy-paying customers get a letter advising them to seek another supplier.

Maybe GayBob should be put in a mud hut with a box of matches and a package of candles - see how he'd fare--

This is the sexual in-between who is at the steering wheel of our nation.

We should swap these dole bludging layabouts for some hard working refugees..send them back to where their convict rellies came from!

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Reply #71 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:13pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:15pm:

########<<The best wind farms in the world are already competitive with coal, gas and nuclear plants. >>
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At the speed things are moving it will only be a matter of a decade, two at most until we are pretty well non-reliant on coal and oil.

Only if someone dumps lots of money into R&D to make renewables cheaper without any subsidy

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corporate_whitey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8896 Archivist	Re: Power cut-off from the poor Reply #72 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:19pm It should be our national goal to achieve full human and economic equality in Australia by the end of the decade and the eradication of corporate greed and corruption. I have the will for the struggle.
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Reply #73 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:57pm

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:28pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:04pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:43am:

cods wrote- Quote:

the so called renewable will be no different

They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years.
My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money.

Same here.

In fact, I would go so far as to say the electricity charges have become a "tax for the economically inept".

If you are still paying for electricity after all these years of schemes to avoid or reduce it, you are a dill and deserve all you get.

some of us cannot afford the cost up front?..as for me I live alone.

how long do you think they can keep passing on the solar charges to those who cannot afford solar power??..

the NSW govt has admitted they made a huge mistake with their rebate.. now someone has to pay.. and it looks like it will be those that can ill afford to do so.... we have been told someone was paying in the region of $1600 pa..and now he is paying zero....

well someone else will be picking up that cost because the power companies are not going to be happy losing that amount of money week in week out..and so far I havent heard off mass unemployment in electricity workers.so someone has to pay them

I agree with you over the rebates. they are not sustainable for government. The idea was initially poorly thought out as we know from trade, subsidy is a bad thing. The future hope is that power companies will subsidise putting them on your house so they can get the carbon credits or you can pay for it and sell the credits you make plus enjoy the reduced power bill. Either way domestic solar has a very big future. I was looking at a new roof tile at work that is a solar panel. Not the greatest but a start. These sort of products will boom in the future as standards and community demand rise.

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Reply #74 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:13pm

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:39pm:

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

Yep, I was gonna get a bigger system as I had a electric hot water system, but worked out that it'd be better value to spend the same amount of coin on solar hot water and a smaller system, as they reckon 1/4 - 1/3 of your power use is from hot water. Still got an electric oven though....

Yea you should ditch the electric oven, I only use about one 45 kg gas bottle a year, I think the last one cost about 115 bucks.

Lol, but how often would you use it: 5 times a week? SURELY NOT?? Shocked

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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